[DeTomaso] Oil pan for a '73 Cleveland recommendations
Will Kooiman
will.kooiman at gmail.com
Wed Sep 8 09:21:02 EDT 2021
I agree with Mike.
Plus, if I recall correctly, the stock 351C is already oversized - compared to similar engines of the day.
I used to watch my oil pressure gauge go to zero on long sweeping curves (on the road, not the track). I wasn't even driving very fast.
That all stopped once I got a proper oil pan. From then on, the oil pressure is rock steady.
I have an Armando in my Pantera. I have an Aviaid in my Cobra. They are both excellent.
On 9/7/21, 7:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Oil pump?
Nobody and I mean nobody wants or needs a high volume pump. The engine
is only capable of draining so much oil from the top (where the pump
sends the oil) through the drainback system. A high volume pump will
just suck the pan dry and flood the top of the motor. It can lead to
oil starvation at extended high rpm running.
All you want or need is the standard Melling M84A pump.
[1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-m84a
Not the M84AHV.
Note that the Summit website has an error and doesn't list this pump
for the 351C even though Melling themselves do. I alerted Summit to
this problem years ago and they still haven't fixed it....
Mike
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On Sep 7, 2021, at 13:41, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
I bought the Kevko with the high volume oil pump and specific oil
intake.
Any thoughts on using the high volume oil pump vs the original pump ?
On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 3:01 PM Mike Drew <[2]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
Seconding what Julian said.
Aviaid has been building racing pans since the early 1960s if not
before. Their Pantera pan is terrific, and they are liable to have
them in stock.
Armando was an employee of Aviaid who fled to Texas and brought all
their intellectual property with him, in his head. So he builds
identical pans, and sells for a few dollars less I think. You may
have to wait a bit.
I don't know about Kevko pans. They may have reverse-engineered an
Aviaid pan as well? I hope they didn't copy Miloden.
Miloden made a Pantera pan that was absolutely shameful. It was
nothing but a 10-quart bucket with nothing inside. The first time I
got to see the inside of one was when a connecting rod came flying
out the side of Larry Stock's pan at the track in Vegas. He has
bought the motor with the pan installed and from the outside it
looked like an Aviaid. Only after it failed to do its job and oil
starvation in corners caused the engine to blow up did we all learn
the truth.
No matter what pan you go with, you do NOT need a different dipstick
arrangement. Your car should have a dipstick with a yellow handle
and measure 38 inches from tip to cup. The dipstick controls the oil
level relative to the bottom of the crankshaft. You could have Lake
Michigan hanging under your car and would still want to retain that
same top oil level.
Mike
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> On Sep 7, 2021, at 10:02, Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Your choices for a 9 quart Pantera specific pan are;
>
> Aviaid
[1][4]https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_cleve
> land.html
>
> Armando's [2][5]http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
>
> Kevko
[3][6]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-
> pan
>
> Julian
>
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> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
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> Konrad Szwab <[8]kszwab at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 9:57 AM
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> <[10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Steve Dragos
> <[11]maycoperformance at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil pan for a '73 Cleveland recommendations
>
> Sooo after 6 years in the shop when we were ready to drive it
out, last
> weekend a spot weld broke in the oil pan baffle and rubbed
against the
> crankshaft.
> No damage, but I need a new oil pan.
> Hall Pantera does not sell them and Pantera Performance is not
> answering
> the phone.
> Who should I contact, maybe Summit Racing ?
> Any thoughts ?
> Thanks,
> Konrad
>
> References
>
> 1.
[12]https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_clevelan
d.html
> 2. [13]http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
> 3.
[14]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pa
n
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References
1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-m84a
2. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
4. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_cleve
5. http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
6. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-
7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
8. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. mailto:maycoperformance at yahoo.com
12. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_cleveland.html
13. http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
14. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan
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