[DeTomaso] Rod end/cap thru pan...
Mike Reilly
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Fri Oct 29 12:28:04 EDT 2021
In these two situations where the engine builders swapped parts how were they held accountable? I’d hate to see them still in business and doing the same “swap” for other customers, especially fellow Pantera owners : (
It’s awesome to hear about Panteras on the track! Mike R.
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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:54 PM
To: Steve Lisa<mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rod end/cap thru pan...
Steve - that’s incredibly furiating. I had a similar situation with my ‘66 K-Code Mustang GT. I paid for top shelf engine parts and the builder installed the cheapest internals he could source. Less than 10K miles later, the motor sounded like an old Volvo diesel. you can imagine my surprise when we pulled the oil pan and found a piston skirt lying on the bottom. I’m glad you’ve got a mew engine builder!
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> On Oct 28, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>
> It was a Ford Motorsports Windsor crate 427 race motor that we
> originally bought as a spare for our Panoz.A It was dyno'd but only
> raced once. Essentially newly broken in.
> When we went to all aluminum motors for the Panoz,A we built two: one
> sprint motor and one endurance motor.A We didn't need the iron block
> race motor any more as a spare.A So, weA removed the Windsor heads
> and put on new Aluminum Cleveland heads, to build our race Clevor for
> the Pantera.A A
> The only way we would be missing the original bottom end in our iron
> block Ford factory motorsport Windsor is if the motor builder that
> built the Clevor for some reason decided it was best for his customer
> (me) to "donate" brand a new Ford Motorsports bottom end for crap
> substitute parts and not tell us.A A
> That news just really makes me shake my head.A Who would do
> that?????A It never occurred to me ...
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 14:55 Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> You said "Cleavor".A Is this an aftermarket W based block?
> i>>?On 10/28/21, 2:08 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
> <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [3]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> A A A A We drained the oil and there was no bearing material.AA
> Classic rod cap
> A A A A failure.AA It appears our old crap motor builder
> replaced our SCAT
> A A A A crank and rods with crap stuff, and kept the good
> stuff.AA From we can
> A A A A tell, the rod end bolt was loose and fell out. So, the
> momentary oil
> A A A A surge was likely just turning on the accusump (but we
> have never seen
> A A A A 120 PSI from the accusum ).AA It also explains no
> warning...I had good
> A A A A oil pressure and temps.AA So, quite simply, as far as we
> can tell, one
> A A A A rod bolt fell out.A A
> A A A A We cannot run dry sump.A
> A A A A A This car has been a dream to race for the last 3-4
> weekends.AA We we
> A A A A are now seeing the last of our weak points from poor
> earlier choices.
> A A A A So we are leaving our plumbing the same, it is all worked
> great. The
> A A A A only issue is to get a properly built motor in there. We
> still do have
> A A A A to work out where the low pressure is for our oil cooler.
> We will do
> A A A A that with cameras and arrow testing at INDE Motorsports
> when we get a
> A A A A chance.
> A A A A We are actually a bit relieved that it was an
> instantaneous rod end
> A A A A failure and not something that either Tony or I missed
> with gauges etc.
> A A A A On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 13:57 Rich Hoppe
> <[1][4]richbhoppe at gmail.com> wrote:
> A A A A A I have a Cleveland with a titan oil pump. It has two
> external oil
> A A A A A return lines.AA One that balances the air pressure
> from the top of
> A A A A A the motor to the bottom in the oil pan.AA The other
> picks up excess
> A A A A A oil in the valve cover to the oil pan.
> A A A A A I ran the silver state at 6200 rpms almost constant.
> A A A A A Might be an oiling option to look at.
> A A A A A Rich
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> A A A A A > On Oct 28, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Larry Stock
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> A A A A A > i>>?NO, but it is now
> A A A A A > LOL
> A A A A A >
> A A A A A >
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In these two situations where the engine builders swapped parts how
were they held accountable? I'd hate to see them still in business and
doing the same "swap" for other customers, especially fellow Pantera
owners : (
It's awesome to hear about Panteras on the track! Mike R.
From: [1]Scott Mead Photography
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:54 PM
To: [2]Steve Lisa
Cc: [3]List DeTomaso Forum; [4]Rich Hoppe
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rod end/cap thru pan...
Steve - that's incredibly furiating. I had a similar situation with my
`66 K-Code Mustang GT. I paid for top shelf engine parts and the
builder installed the cheapest internals he could source. Less than 10K
miles later, the motor sounded like an old Volvo diesel. you can
imagine my surprise when we pulled the oil pan and found a piston skirt
lying on the bottom. I'm glad you've got a mew engine builder!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 28, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>
> It was a Ford Motorsports Windsor crate 427 race motor that we
> originally bought as a spare for our Panoz.A It was dyno'd but
only
> raced once. Essentially newly broken in.
> When we went to all aluminum motors for the Panoz,A we built two:
one
> sprint motor and one endurance motor.A We didn't need the iron
block
> race motor any more as a spare.A So, weA removed the Windsor
heads
> and put on new Aluminum Cleveland heads, to build our race Clevor
for
> the Pantera.A A
> The only way we would be missing the original bottom end in our
iron
> block Ford factory motorsport Windsor is if the motor builder that
> built the Clevor for some reason decided it was best for his
customer
> (me) to "donate" brand a new Ford Motorsports bottom end for crap
> substitute parts and not tell us.A A
> That news just really makes me shake my head.A Who would do
> that?????A It never occurred to me ...
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 14:55 Will Kooiman
<[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> You said "Cleavor".A Is this an aftermarket W based block?
> i>>?On 10/28/21, 2:08 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
> <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [3]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> A A A A We drained the oil and there was no bearing
material.AA
> Classic rod cap
> A A A A failure.AA It appears our old crap motor builder
> replaced our SCAT
> A A A A crank and rods with crap stuff, and kept the good
> stuff.AA From we can
> A A A A tell, the rod end bolt was loose and fell out. So, the
> momentary oil
> A A A A surge was likely just turning on the accusump (but we
> have never seen
> A A A A 120 PSI from the accusum ).AA It also explains no
> warning...I had good
> A A A A oil pressure and temps.AA So, quite simply, as far as
we
> can tell, one
> A A A A rod bolt fell out.A A
> A A A A We cannot run dry sump.A
> A A A A A This car has been a dream to race for the last 3-4
> weekends.AA We we
> A A A A are now seeing the last of our weak points from poor
> earlier choices.
> A A A A So we are leaving our plumbing the same, it is all
worked
> great. The
> A A A A only issue is to get a properly built motor in there.
We
> still do have
> A A A A to work out where the low pressure is for our oil
cooler.
> We will do
> A A A A that with cameras and arrow testing at INDE
Motorsports
> when we get a
> A A A A chance.
> A A A A We are actually a bit relieved that it was an
> instantaneous rod end
> A A A A failure and not something that either Tony or I missed
> with gauges etc.
> A A A A On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 13:57 Rich Hoppe
> <[1][4]richbhoppe at gmail.com> wrote:
> A A A A A I have a Cleveland with a titan oil pump. It has
two
> external oil
> A A A A A return lines.AA One that balances the air pressure
> from the top of
> A A A A A the motor to the bottom in the oil pan.AA The
other
> picks up excess
> A A A A A oil in the valve cover to the oil pan.
> A A A A A I ran the silver state at 6200 rpms almost
constant.
> A A A A A Might be an oiling option to look at.
> A A A A A Rich
> A A A A A Sent from my iPhone
> A A A A A > On Oct 28, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Larry Stock
> A A A A A <[2][5]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> A A A A A >
> A A A A A > i>>?NO, but it is now
> A A A A A > LOL
> A A A A A >
> A A A A A >
> A A A A A > i>>?On 10/28/21, 10:10 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of
> Daniel C Jones"
> A A A A A <[3][6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
> behalf of
> A A A A A [4][7]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> A A A A A >
> A A A A A >AA AA AA A Are you permitted to run a dry sump?
> A A A A A >AA AA AA A Dan Jones
> A A A A A >
> A A A A A >AA AA AA A On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 11:44 AM
Steve
> Lisa
> A A A A A <[1][5][8]stevelisa at patentit.com>
> A A A A A >AA AA AA A wrote:
> A A A A A >
> A A A A A >AA AA AA AA A AAA A Trying to share from my
> phone.AAAA Not sure it
> A A A A A will work.A
> A A A A A >AA AA AA AA A AAA A
> A A A A
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