[DeTomaso] Rod end/cap thru pan...

Mike Reilly reillyms at live.com
Fri Oct 29 12:28:04 EDT 2021


In these two situations where the engine builders swapped parts how were they held accountable?  I’d hate to see them still in business and doing the same “swap” for other customers, especially fellow Pantera owners : (

It’s awesome to hear about Panteras on the track!   Mike R.

From: Scott Mead Photography<mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:54 PM
To: Steve Lisa<mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Rich Hoppe<mailto:richbhoppe at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rod end/cap thru pan...

Steve - that’s incredibly furiating. I had a similar situation with my ‘66 K-Code Mustang GT. I paid for top shelf engine parts and the builder installed the cheapest internals he could source. Less than 10K miles later, the motor sounded like an old Volvo diesel. you can imagine my surprise when we pulled the oil pan and found a piston skirt lying on the bottom. I’m glad you’ve got a mew engine builder!

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> On Oct 28, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>
>    It was a Ford Motorsports Windsor crate 427 race motor that we
>   originally bought as a spare for our Panoz.A  It was dyno'd but only
>   raced once. Essentially newly broken in.
>   When we went to all aluminum motors for the Panoz,A  we built two: one
>   sprint motor and one endurance motor.A  We didn't need the iron block
>   race motor any more as a spare.A  So, weA  removed the Windsor heads
>   and put on new Aluminum Cleveland heads, to build our race Clevor for
>   the Pantera.A A
>   The only way we would be missing the original bottom end in our iron
>   block Ford factory motorsport Windsor is if the motor builder that
>   built the Clevor for some reason decided it was best for his customer
>   (me) to "donate" brand a new Ford Motorsports bottom end for crap
>   substitute parts and not tell us.A A
>   That news just really makes me shake my head.A  Who would do
>   that?????A  It never occurred to me ...
>
>   On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 14:55 Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
>   wrote:
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>     You said "Cleavor".A  Is this an aftermarket W based block?
>     i>>?On 10/28/21, 2:08 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
>     <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>     [3]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>     A  A  A  A We drained the oil and there was no bearing material.AA
>     Classic rod cap
>     A  A  A  A failure.AA  It appears our old crap motor builder
>     replaced our SCAT
>     A  A  A  A crank and rods with crap stuff, and kept the good
>     stuff.AA  From we can
>     A  A  A  A tell, the rod end bolt was loose and fell out. So, the
>     momentary oil
>     A  A  A  A surge was likely just turning on the accusump (but we
>     have never seen
>     A  A  A  A 120 PSI from the accusum ).AA  It also explains no
>     warning...I had good
>     A  A  A  A oil pressure and temps.AA  So, quite simply, as far as we
>     can tell, one
>     A  A  A  A rod bolt fell out.A A
>     A  A  A  A We cannot run dry sump.A
>     A  A  A  A A This car has been a dream to race for the last 3-4
>     weekends.AA  We we
>     A  A  A  A are now seeing the last of our weak points from poor
>     earlier choices.
>     A  A  A  A So we are leaving our plumbing the same, it is all worked
>     great. The
>     A  A  A  A only issue is to get a properly built motor in there. We
>     still do have
>     A  A  A  A to work out where the low pressure is for our oil cooler.
>     We will do
>     A  A  A  A that with cameras and arrow testing at INDE Motorsports
>     when we get a
>     A  A  A  A chance.
>     A  A  A  A We are actually a bit relieved that it was an
>     instantaneous rod end
>     A  A  A  A failure and not something that either Tony or I missed
>     with gauges etc.
>     A  A  A  A On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 13:57 Rich Hoppe
>     <[1][4]richbhoppe at gmail.com> wrote:
>     A  A  A  A  A I have a Cleveland with a titan oil pump. It has two
>     external oil
>     A  A  A  A  A return lines.AA  One that balances the air pressure
>     from the top of
>     A  A  A  A  A the motor to the bottom in the oil pan.AA  The other
>     picks up excess
>     A  A  A  A  A oil in the valve cover to the oil pan.
>     A  A  A  A  A I ran the silver state at 6200 rpms almost constant.
>     A  A  A  A  A Might be an oiling option to look at.
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   In these two situations where the engine builders swapped parts how
   were they held accountable?  I'd hate to see them still in business and
   doing the same "swap" for other customers, especially fellow Pantera
   owners : (


   It's awesome to hear about Panteras on the track!   Mike R.


   From: [1]Scott Mead Photography
   Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:54 PM
   To: [2]Steve Lisa
   Cc: [3]List DeTomaso Forum; [4]Rich Hoppe
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rod end/cap thru pan...


   Steve - that's incredibly furiating. I had a similar situation with my
   `66 K-Code Mustang GT. I paid for top shelf engine parts and the
   builder installed the cheapest internals he could source. Less than 10K
   miles later, the motor sounded like an old Volvo diesel. you can
   imagine my surprise when we pulled the oil pan and found a piston skirt
   lying on the bottom. I'm glad you've got a mew engine builder!
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 28, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >    It was a Ford Motorsports Windsor crate 427 race motor that we
   >   originally bought as a spare for our Panoz.A  It was dyno'd but
   only
   >   raced once. Essentially newly broken in.
   >   When we went to all aluminum motors for the Panoz,A  we built two:
   one
   >   sprint motor and one endurance motor.A  We didn't need the iron
   block
   >   race motor any more as a spare.A  So, weA  removed the Windsor
   heads
   >   and put on new Aluminum Cleveland heads, to build our race Clevor
   for
   >   the Pantera.A A
   >   The only way we would be missing the original bottom end in our
   iron
   >   block Ford factory motorsport Windsor is if the motor builder that
   >   built the Clevor for some reason decided it was best for his
   customer
   >   (me) to "donate" brand a new Ford Motorsports bottom end for crap
   >   substitute parts and not tell us.A A
   >   That news just really makes me shake my head.A  Who would do
   >   that?????A  It never occurred to me ...
   >
   >   On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 14:55 Will Kooiman
   <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   >   wrote:
   >
   >     You said "Cleavor".A  Is this an aftermarket W based block?
   >     i>>?On 10/28/21, 2:08 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
   >     <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   >     [3]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
   >     A  A  A  A We drained the oil and there was no bearing
   material.AA
   >     Classic rod cap
   >     A  A  A  A failure.AA  It appears our old crap motor builder
   >     replaced our SCAT
   >     A  A  A  A crank and rods with crap stuff, and kept the good
   >     stuff.AA  From we can
   >     A  A  A  A tell, the rod end bolt was loose and fell out. So, the
   >     momentary oil
   >     A  A  A  A surge was likely just turning on the accusump (but we
   >     have never seen
   >     A  A  A  A 120 PSI from the accusum ).AA  It also explains no
   >     warning...I had good
   >     A  A  A  A oil pressure and temps.AA  So, quite simply, as far as
   we
   >     can tell, one
   >     A  A  A  A rod bolt fell out.A A
   >     A  A  A  A We cannot run dry sump.A
   >     A  A  A  A A This car has been a dream to race for the last 3-4
   >     weekends.AA  We we
   >     A  A  A  A are now seeing the last of our weak points from poor
   >     earlier choices.
   >     A  A  A  A So we are leaving our plumbing the same, it is all
   worked
   >     great. The
   >     A  A  A  A only issue is to get a properly built motor in there.
   We
   >     still do have
   >     A  A  A  A to work out where the low pressure is for our oil
   cooler.
   >     We will do
   >     A  A  A  A that with cameras and arrow testing at INDE
   Motorsports
   >     when we get a
   >     A  A  A  A chance.
   >     A  A  A  A We are actually a bit relieved that it was an
   >     instantaneous rod end
   >     A  A  A  A failure and not something that either Tony or I missed
   >     with gauges etc.
   >     A  A  A  A On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 13:57 Rich Hoppe
   >     <[1][4]richbhoppe at gmail.com> wrote:
   >     A  A  A  A  A I have a Cleveland with a titan oil pump. It has
   two
   >     external oil
   >     A  A  A  A  A return lines.AA  One that balances the air pressure
   >     from the top of
   >     A  A  A  A  A the motor to the bottom in the oil pan.AA  The
   other
   >     picks up excess
   >     A  A  A  A  A oil in the valve cover to the oil pan.
   >     A  A  A  A  A I ran the silver state at 6200 rpms almost
   constant.
   >     A  A  A  A  A Might be an oiling option to look at.
   >     A  A  A  A  A Rich
   >     A  A  A  A  A Sent from my iPhone
   >     A  A  A  A  A > On Oct 28, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Larry Stock
   >     A  A  A  A  A <[2][5]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >     A  A  A  A  A >
   >     A  A  A  A  A > i>>?NO, but it is now
   >     A  A  A  A  A > LOL
   >     A  A  A  A  A >
   >     A  A  A  A  A >
   >     A  A  A  A  A > i>>?On 10/28/21, 10:10 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of
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   >     A  A  A  A  A <[3][6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
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   >     A  A  A  A  A >AA  AA  AA  A Are you permitted to run a dry sump?
   >     A  A  A  A  A >AA  AA  AA  A Dan Jones
   >     A  A  A  A  A >
   >     A  A  A  A  A >AA  AA  AA  A On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 11:44 AM
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