[DeTomaso] Pantera down
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Wed Oct 27 23:52:49 EDT 2021
Thanks, Will.
A bad day racing is better than any day in the office, especially in a rare
car like the Pantera.
BTW, the Pantera had one timed session....best lap was 2:11.0 with
theoretical best (based on sectors) of 2:09. We may with a few more
sessions got a few more seconds off that. We would not have gone faster
top end than 162-63 as we had the rev limiter set at 6100 rpm and we're
already there.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:49 PM Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Damnit. I wish I were there.
>
> It really sucks to break, but as others have said that's racing.
>
> Still, I'd rather be on a track and break something than be at home, doing
> the 9-5 in my home office.
>
> The last time I went to the track, was one of the few times I haven't
> broken something. I boiled my brake fluid, and ran right on the edge of
> brake fade, but everything held together. That's on my street driven Viper.
>
> You are an inspiration. Be safe.
>
>
> On 10/27/21, 6:14 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Stock" <
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> We get it, under 2 minutes is a great time
>
>
>
> From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:37 PM
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera down
>
>
> I meant to say 1:58.3 lap time ....not 158.3
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 17:10 Steve Lisa <[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
> wrote:
>
> I am not sure....we had a spike in oil pressure that made us think
> it
> was a rod bearing...but it was only a few seconds then stabilized
> for a
> few laps. Then, we blew up next session with a rod cap sticking out
> the pan. So, we thing we started with a main going bad that vibrated
> the rod end bolt out. In the meantime, the Panoz turned it's
> fasted
> lap yet at Daytona 158.3 with 178 top speed. So we are focused in
> it
> now. We are just going to wait til we get home to diagnose the
> issue
> with Pantera.
>
>
> Frankly, we had a crap motor builder for a while, and this Clevor
> bottom end was built by him. We had it "looked at" by our current
> motor builder while our true Cleveland race motor was getting built,
> and he freshened the top end but not the bottom which he held his
> nose
> for. So this is the last of our crap from that old builder, and it
> went out with a bang.
>
>
> I am pissed , but that is racing and we have another car to focus on
> and a reason to get the proper Cleveland and exhaust in.
>
>
> By the way, the Pantera was a crowd pleaser and handling quite well.
> What a shame.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 16:49 Larry Stock <[2]larrys at panteraparts.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> Bummer Dude,
> I have spun many a rod bearing, but never a Main Bearing, are you
> sure about that?
> Larry
> On 10/27/21, 1:11 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
> <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [4]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> All,
> Pantera spun a main bearing the lost a connecting rod, with
> expected
> results.A We are down for the weekend.A A
> We had a spike in oil pressure, which then equalized at 55
> psi and 250
> degrees.A The next session we lost the engine. Rev minter
> was set at
> 6000A A
> For what it's worth, top speed on on our lap it 160 mph.A
> I
> am trying
> to get a pic for you of the rid hanging out the pan.
> _______________________________________________
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> To manage your subscription (change email address,
> unsubscribe,
> etc.) use the links above.
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
> forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future
> members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to
> maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
> 2. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
> 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
> 4. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
> DeTomaso mailing list
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
> use the links above.
>
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list.
> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve
> the archiving of list messages.
>
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
Thanks, Will.
A bad day racing is better than any day in the office, especially in a
rare car like the Pantera.
BTW, the Pantera had one timed session....best lap was 2:11.0A with
theoretical best (based on sectors) of 2:09.A We may with a few more
sessions got a few more seconds off that.A We would not have gone
faster top end than 162-63 as we had the rev limiter set at 6100 rpm
and we're already there.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:49 PM Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
Damnit.A I wish I were there.
It really sucks to break, but as others have said that's racing.
Still, I'd rather be on a track and break something than be at home,
doing the 9-5 in my home office.
The last time I went to the track, was one of the few times I
haven't broken something.A I boiled my brake fluid, and ran right
on the edge of brake fade, but everything held together.A That's on
my street driven Viper.
You are an inspiration.A Be safe.
i>>?On 10/27/21, 6:14 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Stock"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[3]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
A A A A We get it, under 2 minutes is a great time
A A A A From: Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
A A A A Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:37 PM
A A A A To: Larry Stock <[5]larrys at panteraparts.com>
A A A A Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera down
A A A A I meant to say 1:58.3 lap time ....not 158.3
A A A A On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 17:10 Steve Lisa
<[1][7]stevelisa at patentit.com>
A A A A wrote:
A A A A I am not sure....we had a spike in oil pressure that made
us think it
A A A A was a rod bearing...but it was only a few seconds then
stabilized for a
A A A A few laps.A Then, we blew up next session with a rod cap
sticking out
A A A A the pan. So, we thing we started with a main going bad
that vibrated
A A A A the rod end bolt out.A In the meantime, theA Panoz
turned it's fasted
A A A A lap yet at Daytona 158.3 with 178 top speed.A So we are
focused in it
A A A A now.A We are just going to wait til we get home to
diagnose the issue
A A A A with Pantera.
A A A A Frankly, we had a crap motor builder for a while, and
this Clevor
A A A A bottom end was built by him.A We had it "looked at" by
our current
A A A A motor builder while our true Cleveland race motor was
getting built,
A A A A and he freshened the top end but not the bottom which he
held his nose
A A A A for.A So this is the last of our crap from that old
builder, and it
A A A A went out with a bang.
A A A A I am pissed , but that is racing and we have another car
to focus on
A A A A and a reason to get the proper Cleveland and exhaust in.
A A A A By the way, the Pantera was a crowd pleaser and handling
quite well.
A A A A What a shame.
A A A A On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 16:49 Larry Stock
<[2][8]larrys at panteraparts.com>
A A A A wrote:
A A A A A Bummer Dude,
A A A A A I have spun many a rod bearing, but never a Main
Bearing, are you
A A A A A sure about that?
A A A A A Larry
A A A A A On 10/27/21, 1:11 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve
Lisa"
A A A A A <[3][9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf of
A A A A A [4][10]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
A A A A A A A A All,
A A A A A A A A Pantera spun a main bearing the lost a
connecting rod, with
A A A A A expected
A A A A A A A A results.AA We are down for the weekend.A A
A A A A A A A A We had a spike in oil pressure, which then
equalized at 55
A A A A A psi and 250
A A A A A A A A degrees.AA The next session we lost the
engine. Rev minter
A A A A A was set at
A A A A A A A A 6000A A
A A A A A A A A For what it's worth, top speed on on our lap
it 160 mph.AA I
A A A A A am trying
A A A A A A A A to get a pic for you of the rid hanging out
the pan.
A A A A A A A _______________________________________________
A A A A A A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
A A A A A A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
A A A A A A A DeTomaso mailing list
A A A A A A A [5][11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A A A A
A [6][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A A A A A A A To manage your subscription (change email
address, unsubscribe,
A A A A A etc.) use the links above.
A A A A A A A Members who post to this list grant license to
the list to
A A A A A forward any message posted here to all past, current,
or future
A A A A A members of the list. They also grant the list owner
permission to
A A A A A maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list
messages.
A A References
A A A A 1. mailto:[13]stevelisa at patentit.com
A A A A 2. mailto:[14]larrys at panteraparts.com
A A A A 3. mailto:[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
A A A A 4. mailto:[16]stevelisa at patentit.com
A A A A 5. mailto:[17]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A A A 6.
[18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A A _______________________________________________
A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
A A DeTomaso mailing list
A A [19]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
A A To manage your subscription (change email address,
unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.
A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future
members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to
maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
References
1. mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com
2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
3. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
4. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
5. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
8. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
10. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
13. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
14. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
15. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
16. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com
17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
19. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
More information about the DeTomaso
mailing list