[DeTomaso] Pantera down

Steve Lisa stevelisa at patentit.com
Wed Oct 27 23:52:49 EDT 2021


Thanks, Will.

A bad day racing is better than any day in the office, especially in a rare
car like the Pantera.

BTW, the Pantera had one timed session....best lap was 2:11.0  with
theoretical best (based on sectors) of 2:09.  We may with a few more
sessions got a few more seconds off that.  We would not have gone faster
top end than 162-63 as we had the rev limiter set at 6100 rpm and we're
already there.



On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:49 PM Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Damnit.  I wish I were there.
>
> It really sucks to break, but as others have said that's racing.
>
> Still, I'd rather be on a track and break something than be at home, doing
> the 9-5 in my home office.
>
> The last time I went to the track, was one of the few times I haven't
> broken something.  I boiled my brake fluid, and ran right on the edge of
> brake fade, but everything held together.  That's on my street driven Viper.
>
> You are an inspiration.  Be safe.
>
>
> On 10/27/21, 6:14 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Stock" <
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
>        We get it, under 2 minutes is a great time
>
>
>
>        From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
>        Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:37 PM
>        To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
>        Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera down
>
>
>        I meant to say 1:58.3 lap time ....not 158.3
>
>
>        On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 17:10 Steve Lisa <[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>        wrote:
>
>        I am not sure....we had a spike in oil pressure that made us think
> it
>        was a rod bearing...but it was only a few seconds then stabilized
> for a
>        few laps.  Then, we blew up next session with a rod cap sticking out
>        the pan. So, we thing we started with a main going bad that vibrated
>        the rod end bolt out.  In the meantime, the  Panoz turned it's
> fasted
>        lap yet at Daytona 158.3 with 178 top speed.  So we are focused in
> it
>        now.  We are just going to wait til we get home to diagnose the
> issue
>        with Pantera.
>
>
>        Frankly, we had a crap motor builder for a while, and this Clevor
>        bottom end was built by him.  We had it "looked at" by our current
>        motor builder while our true Cleveland race motor was getting built,
>        and he freshened the top end but not the bottom which he held his
> nose
>        for.  So this is the last of our crap from that old builder, and it
>        went out with a bang.
>
>
>        I am pissed , but that is racing and we have another car to focus on
>        and a reason to get the proper Cleveland and exhaust in.
>
>
>        By the way, the Pantera was a crowd pleaser and handling quite well.
>        What a shame.
>
>
>
>        On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 16:49 Larry Stock <[2]larrys at panteraparts.com
> >
>        wrote:
>
>          Bummer Dude,
>          I have spun many a rod bearing, but never a Main Bearing, are you
>          sure about that?
>          Larry
>          On 10/27/21, 1:11 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
>          <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>          [4]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>                 All,
>                 Pantera spun a main bearing the lost a connecting rod, with
>          expected
>                 results.A  We are down for the weekend.A A
>                 We had a spike in oil pressure, which then equalized at 55
>          psi and 250
>                 degrees.A  The next session we lost the engine. Rev minter
>          was set at
>                 6000A A
>                 For what it's worth, top speed on on our lap it 160 mph.A
> I
>          am trying
>                 to get a pic for you of the rid hanging out the pan.
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   Thanks, Will.
   A bad day racing is better than any day in the office, especially in a
   rare car like the Pantera.
   BTW, the Pantera had one timed session....best lap was 2:11.0A  with
   theoretical best (based on sectors) of 2:09.A  We may with a few more
   sessions got a few more seconds off that.A  We would not have gone
   faster top end than 162-63 as we had the rev limiter set at 6100 rpm
   and we're already there.

   On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:49 PM Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     Damnit.A  I wish I were there.
     It really sucks to break, but as others have said that's racing.
     Still, I'd rather be on a track and break something than be at home,
     doing the 9-5 in my home office.
     The last time I went to the track, was one of the few times I
     haven't broken something.A  I boiled my brake fluid, and ran right
     on the edge of brake fade, but everything held together.A  That's on
     my street driven Viper.
     You are an inspiration.A  Be safe.
     i>>?On 10/27/21, 6:14 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Stock"
     <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
     [3]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
     A  A  A  A We get it, under 2 minutes is a great time
     A  A  A  A From: Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
     A  A  A  A Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 2:37 PM
     A  A  A  A To: Larry Stock <[5]larrys at panteraparts.com>
     A  A  A  A Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
     <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera down
     A  A  A  A I meant to say 1:58.3 lap time ....not 158.3
     A  A  A  A On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 17:10 Steve Lisa
     <[1][7]stevelisa at patentit.com>
     A  A  A  A wrote:
     A  A  A  A I am not sure....we had a spike in oil pressure that made
     us think it
     A  A  A  A was a rod bearing...but it was only a few seconds then
     stabilized for a
     A  A  A  A few laps.A  Then, we blew up next session with a rod cap
     sticking out
     A  A  A  A the pan. So, we thing we started with a main going bad
     that vibrated
     A  A  A  A the rod end bolt out.A  In the meantime, theA  Panoz
     turned it's fasted
     A  A  A  A lap yet at Daytona 158.3 with 178 top speed.A  So we are
     focused in it
     A  A  A  A now.A  We are just going to wait til we get home to
     diagnose the issue
     A  A  A  A with Pantera.
     A  A  A  A Frankly, we had a crap motor builder for a while, and
     this Clevor
     A  A  A  A bottom end was built by him.A  We had it "looked at" by
     our current
     A  A  A  A motor builder while our true Cleveland race motor was
     getting built,
     A  A  A  A and he freshened the top end but not the bottom which he
     held his nose
     A  A  A  A for.A  So this is the last of our crap from that old
     builder, and it
     A  A  A  A went out with a bang.
     A  A  A  A I am pissed , but that is racing and we have another car
     to focus on
     A  A  A  A and a reason to get the proper Cleveland and exhaust in.
     A  A  A  A By the way, the Pantera was a crowd pleaser and handling
     quite well.
     A  A  A  A What a shame.
     A  A  A  A On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 16:49 Larry Stock
     <[2][8]larrys at panteraparts.com>
     A  A  A  A wrote:
     A  A  A  A  A Bummer Dude,
     A  A  A  A  A I have spun many a rod bearing, but never a Main
     Bearing, are you
     A  A  A  A  A sure about that?
     A  A  A  A  A Larry
     A  A  A  A  A On 10/27/21, 1:11 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve
     Lisa"
     A  A  A  A  A <[3][9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
     behalf of
     A  A  A  A  A [4][10]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  All,
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Pantera spun a main bearing the lost a
     connecting rod, with
     A  A  A  A  A expected
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  results.AA  We are down for the weekend.A A
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  We had a spike in oil pressure, which then
     equalized at 55
     A  A  A  A  A psi and 250
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  degrees.AA  The next session we lost the
     engine. Rev minter
     A  A  A  A  A was set at
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  6000A A
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  For what it's worth, top speed on on our lap
     it 160 mph.AA  I
     A  A  A  A  A am trying
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  to get a pic for you of the rid hanging out
     the pan.
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