[DeTomaso] Pictures of blown clutch from Portland
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Mon Oct 11 19:06:52 EDT 2021
So, another issue we thought of was that, with the tranny mounts as they
are, we would not be able to lift the transaxle enough (given the input
shaft) to clear the tranny mounts without also unbolting and lifting the
motor. But, I am guessing you all have not had an issue with that?
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:02 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> If not already installed, you might want to put the short hose to the
> filter on a swivel fitting to avoid stressing the hose. Alternatively, you
> could install a no leak quick disconnect fitting to separate that line.
>
> Julian
>
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> Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
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> *Cc:* List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures of blown clutch from Portland
>
> It looks like your almost there Steve, just dismount it and lay it over
> the top of the Quarter panel. As an also, put a fan on it, as there is not
> much air circulation in that location without a inside thru the cooler to
> outside air flow from a electric fan.
> 12027P Fan assy air cond. Condenser, Maridyne 10" 950 CFM
> $180.00
> Larry
>
>
> On 10/11/21, 3:46 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa" <
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.... do you think that will work here?A See our cooler setup:
> * [1]https://photos.app.goo.gl/RjToSEDuk79fpoVA8
>
> Regardless, we should make the cooler more easily removed if that
> saves
> us 3-4 hours of additional work.
> Regards,A
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
> Direct: 480-442-0297
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> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:12 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[3]
> asajay at asajay.com>
> wrote:
>
> To remove transaxle, unbolt the cooler from body and flip it over a
> fender ( use a fender cover ).A Remove the rear grill between the
> exhausts and that will give you the clearance without having to
> disconnect any lines.
> :)
> Asa A Jay
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>
> On Oct 11, 2021, at 08:42, Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
> wrote:
>
> i>>?
> The friction material actually disintegrated and was all over the
> place
> - mostly blown out the inspection window at the top.A It was a lot
> of
> friction material -- so it looked and ran fine until all of sudden
> it
> didn't.A Since it is Asa Jay's original clutch, it served its life
> well.A A
> With as much HP/Torque we are running, we surely needed it to be a
> more
> regular maintenance item.A We had already replaced it with the
> Centerforce for the Cleveland, and then we pulled the Cleveland and
> installed the Clevor, we went with the motor-builder had assembled
> on
> the CLEVOR -- which was the old McCleod.A I don't think we
> intended it
> to be in there very long.A But, the CLEVOR is running well and
> suiting
> these early races, so we left it in -- too long,A obviously!A A
> BTW - we still haven't figured out how to remove the transaxle
> assembly
> to clear theA coolers without completelyA unbolting and lifting the
> motor.A I know it is supposedly done, but we can't figure it out.A
> A
> Regards,A
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
> Direct: 480-442-0297
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> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 8:06 AM Asa Jay Laughton <[6]
> asajay at asajay.com>
> wrote:
>
> Looks like the McLeod I put in back in 2012.A Looks like friction
> material completely wore off one side.A All the springs are still
> in place.A
> You do know that the friction material on a pantera clutch disk is
> slightly thinner than average?A Racing as hard as you and Tony
> do,
> it may be a good idea to check it often.A Convenient to have an
> inspection hole at the top of the bell housing.
> :)
> What did you replace it with?
> Asa Jay
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> > On Oct 11, 2021, at 07:04, Steve Lisa <[7]
> stevelisa at patentit.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > i>>?A A For those interested, here is a link of the pictures of
> our blown up
> >A A clutch assembly from the Portland race.AA A
> >A A A * [1][8]https://photos.app.goo.gl/cUh1qNerQ5JUfWWh7
> >
> >A A Regards,A
> >A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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So, another issue we thought of was that, with the tranny mounts as
they are, we would not be able to lift the transaxle enough (given the
input shaft) to clear the tranny mounts without also unbolting and
lifting the motor.A But, I am guessing you all have not had an issue
with that?
A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
[1]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A: 55 E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain
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On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 4:02 PM Julian Kift
<[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
If not already installed, you might want to put the short hose to the
filter on a swivel fitting to avoid stressing the hose. Alternatively,
you could install a no leak quick disconnect fitting to separate that
line.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Larry Stock <[4]larrys at panteraparts.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 3:55 PM
To: Steve Lisa <[5]stevelisa at patentit.com>; Asa Jay Laughton
<[6]asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pictures of blown clutch from Portland
A
It looks like your almost there Steve, just dismount it and lay it over
the top of the Quarter panel. As an also, put a fan on it, as there is
not much air circulation in that location without a inside thru the
cooler to outside air flow from a electric fan.
12027PA A A A A A A A A Fan assy air cond. Condenser, Maridyne 10" 950
CFMA A A A A $180.00
Larry
i>>?On 10/11/21, 3:46 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa"
<[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[9]stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
A A A A A A Hmmm.... do you think that will work here?AA See our
cooler setup:
A A A A A A A A * [1][10]https://photos.app.goo.gl/RjToSEDuk79fpoVA8
A A A A A A Regardless, we should make the cooler more easily removed
if that saves
A A A A A A us 3-4 hours of additional work.
A A A A A A Regards,A
A A A A A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A A A A A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
A A A A A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
A A A A A A Direct: 480-442-0297
A A A A A A [2][11]www.PatentIt.com
A A A A A A Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656AA |A A F:A
480.535.6628A
A A A A A A |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ
85260
A A A A A A Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357AA |AA F:
312.896.5633AA |AA A: 55 E.
A A A A A A Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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A A A A A A confidential and privileged information. If you received
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A A A A A A error please destroy it and indicate such by return email
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A A A A A A you.
A A A A A A On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 3:12 PM Asa Jay Laughton
<[3][12]asajay at asajay.com>
A A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A To remove transaxle, unbolt the cooler from body and flip
it over a
A A A A A A fender ( use a fender cover ).AA Remove the rear grill
between the
A A A A A A exhausts and that will give you the clearance without
having to
A A A A A A disconnect any lines.
A A A A A A :)
A A A A A A Asa A Jay
A A A A A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
A A A A A A A A On Oct 11, 2021, at 08:42, Steve Lisa
<[4][13]stevelisa at patentit.com>
A A A A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A i>>?
A A A A A A The friction material actually disintegrated and was all
over the place
A A A A A A - mostly blown out the inspection window at the top.AA It
was a lot of
A A A A A A friction material -- so it looked and ran fine until all
of sudden it
A A A A A A didn't.AA Since it is Asa Jay's original clutch, it
served its life
A A A A A A well.A A
A A A A A A With as much HP/Torque we are running, we surely needed it
to be a more
A A A A A A regular maintenance item.AA We had already replaced it
with the
A A A A A A Centerforce for the Cleveland, and then we pulled the
Cleveland and
A A A A A A installed the Clevor, we went with the motor-builder had
assembled on
A A A A A A the CLEVOR -- which was the old McCleod.AA I don't think
we intended it
A A A A A A to be in there very long.AA But, the CLEVOR is running
well and suiting
A A A A A A these early races, so we left it in -- too long,A
obviously!A A
A A A A A A BTW - we still haven't figured out how to remove the
transaxle assembly
A A A A A A to clear theA coolers without completelyA unbolting and
lifting the
A A A A A A motor.AA I know it is supposedly done, but we can't
figure it out.A A
A A A A A A Regards,A
A A A A A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A A A A A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
A A A A A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
A A A A A A Direct: 480-442-0297
A A A A A A [5][14]www.PatentIt.com
A A A A A A Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656AA |A A F:A
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85260
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A A A A A A On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 8:06 AM Asa Jay Laughton
<[6][15]asajay at asajay.com>
A A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A A A Looks like the McLeod I put in back in 2012.AA Looks
like friction
A A A A A A A A material completely wore off one side.AA All the
springs are still
A A A A A A A A in place.A
A A A A A A A A You do know that the friction material on a pantera
clutch disk is
A A A A A A A A slightly thinner than average?AA Racing as hard as
you and Tony do,
A A A A A A A A it may be a good idea to check it often.AA Convenient
to have an
A A A A A A A A inspection hole at the top of the bell housing.
A A A A A A A A :)
A A A A A A A A What did you replace it with?
A A A A A A A A Asa Jay
A A A A A A A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
A A A A A A A A > On Oct 11, 2021, at 07:04, Steve Lisa
<[7][16]stevelisa at patentit.com>
A A A A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A > i>>?AA A For those interested, here is a link of
the pictures of
A A A A A A A A our blown up
A A A A A A A A >AA A clutch assembly from the Portland race.AAA A
A A A A A A A A >AA AA A *
[1][8][17]https://photos.app.goo.gl/cUh1qNerQ5JUfWWh7
A A A A A A A A >
A A A A A A A A >AA A Regards,A
A A A A A A A A >AA A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A A A A A A A A >AA A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
A A A A A A A A >AA A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
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A A A A A A A A 480.535.6628A
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