[DeTomaso] Anyone Using an In-Tank Fuel Pump for an EFI?
Ken Green
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Sat Oct 9 22:38:56 EDT 2021
What I found recommended a 100 micron filter before the pump and a 10 micron after, for EFI. 40 micron after for a carb. A fuel sock may be equivalent to a 100 micron filter.
On Saturday, October 9, 2021, 05:15:54 PM PDT, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
I copied this too. That was a long time ago.
I have a pipe elbow to a large canister filter, and then to the mech fuel pump. It tucks up nice and tight, and doesn’t leak.
I know, you’re not supposed to put a filter before the pump. This is a very large wire mesh filter, not unlike a fuel sick.
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> On Oct 9, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I found this Holley part that might replace the fuel fill in the top of
> the tank? Requires a minimum 3 7/8 hole, I'm not sure that is too big,
> looks really close:
> [1]Holley 12-139 Holley Fuel Cell EFI Pump Module Assembly
>
> Holley 12-139 Holley Fuel Cell EFI Pump Module Assembly
>
> Updating your racing fuel system to EFI is so simple! Holley is excited
> to introduce our Holley Fuel Cell EFI Pu...
>
> On Saturday, October 9, 2021, 12:43:02 PM PDT, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> With an in-tank pump, it makes sense to use a new late model sender
> with its own fuel-out line. Not only is the assembly brand new &
> clean, but it's smaller overall, making it easier to get the sender
> assembly w/pump back in the tank thru the stock opening. And if you
> have plans for more than 450 carbureted bhp any time in the future,
> you
> can replace the sender's small diameter fuel-out line for the next
> size
> larger. The stock size simply won't supply enough fuel for that much
> power except for short full throttle bursts. In an early tank, the
> stock banjo fitting fuel-out line can be used for an EFI fuel return.
> Some carbureted setups use a fuel return, too.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Braun <[2]doug351c at gmail.com>
> To: 'Detomaso' <[3]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Cc: 'Mike Drew' <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>; 'Ken Green'
> <[5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 9, 2021 10:20 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone Using an In-Tank Fuel Pump for an EFI?
> I chose to tap the gas tank's drain hole to a larger A 3/4-14NPT pipe
> taper thread. The drain seat in the tank tapped very well due to the
> metal not being very hard. I borrowed this idea from Jeff Kimball
> who
> used this same tank conversion technique for his twin-turbo Pantera.
> Next I installed a (3/4" NPT male x 1/2" NPT female) Pipe Bushing
> (NAPA-Weatherhead #3220x12x8) into the newly tapped tank hole and
> then
> a Brass (1/2' NPT male x 1/2" NPT female) Pipe Elbow onto that.
> This
> gets you converted to fractional fittings, keeps the fuel plumbing
> close to tank bottom for max ground clearance, and gives you a
> healthy
> 1/2" ID fuel feed capability.
> Doug Braun
> Blue 73L #5505
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone Using an In-Tank Fuel Pump for an EFI?
> That seems the consensus, M22 1.5. When I search for a plug this
> size
> I found a lot of then for various European cars for transmissions
> etc.
> Seems a common drain plug.
> On Friday, October 8, 2021, 03:46:50 PM PDT, Mike Drew via
> DeTomaso
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> Ken,
> I believe its M22 pipe thread?
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Oct 9, 2021, at 01:52, Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> <[4][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> i>>? PS,
>> I found a banjo fitting and replaced the gas tank plug with
> it,
>> but
>> not not sure I can find the original plug to put it back in the
> tank.
>> Does anyone know the thread, or even have one laying around?
>> Ken
>>
>> On Friday, October 8, 2021, 09:12:34 AM PDT, Ken Green
>> <[5][10]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> An in-tank pump seems the best approach with minimum exposed hoses
>> and
>> fittings. Has anyone done this in their Pantera?
>> Thanks,
>> Ken
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What I found recommended a 100 micron filter before the pump and a 10
micron after, for EFI. 40 micron after for a carb. A fuel sock may be
equivalent to a 100 micron filter.
On Saturday, October 9, 2021, 05:15:54 PM PDT, Will Kooiman
<will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
I copied this too. That was a long time ago.
I have a pipe elbow to a large canister filter, and then to the mech
fuel pump. It tucks up nice and tight, and doesnat leak.
I know, youare not supposed to put a filter before the pump. This is a
very large wire mesh filter, not unlike a fuel sick.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 9, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> i>>? I found this Holley part that might replace the fuel fill in
the top of
> the tank? Requires a minimum 3 7/8 hole, I'm not sure that is too
big,
> looks really close:
> [1]Holley 12-139 Holley Fuel Cell EFI Pump Module Assembly
>
> Holley 12-139 Holley Fuel Cell EFI Pump Module Assembly
>
> Updating your racing fuel system to EFI is so simple! Holley is
excited
> to introduce our Holley Fuel Cell EFI Pu...
>
> On Saturday, October 9, 2021, 12:43:02 PM PDT, Jack DeRyke via
DeTomaso
> <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> With an in-tank pump, it makes sense to use a new late model
sender
> with its own fuel-out line. Not only is the assembly brand new &
> clean, but it's smaller overall, making it easier to get the
sender
> assembly w/pump back in the tank thru the stock opening. And if
you
> have plans for more than 450 carbureted bhp any time in the
future,
> you
> can replace the sender's small diameter fuel-out line for the next
> size
> larger. The stock size simply won't supply enough fuel for that
much
> power except for short full throttle bursts. In an early tank, the
> stock banjo fitting fuel-out line can be used for an EFI fuel
return.
> Some carbureted setups use a fuel return, too.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Braun <[2][3]doug351c at gmail.com>
> To: 'Detomaso' <[3][4]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> Cc: 'Mike Drew' <[4][5]mikeldrew at aol.com>; 'Ken Green'
> <[5][6]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 9, 2021 10:20 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone Using an In-Tank Fuel Pump for an
EFI?
> I chose to tap the gas tank's drain hole to a larger A 3/4-14NPT
pipe
> taper thread. The drain seat in the tank tapped very well due to
the
> metal not being very hard. I borrowed this idea from Jeff Kimball
> who
> used this same tank conversion technique for his twin-turbo
Pantera.
> Next I installed a (3/4" NPT male x 1/2" NPT female) Pipe Bushing
> (NAPA-Weatherhead #3220x12x8) into the newly tapped tank hole and
> then
> a Brass (1/2' NPT male x 1/2" NPT female) Pipe Elbow onto that.
> This
> gets you converted to fractional fittings, keeps the fuel plumbing
> close to tank bottom for max ground clearance, and gives you a
> healthy
> 1/2" ID fuel feed capability.
> Doug Braun
> Blue 73L #5505
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 9:53 PM
> To: Mike Drew <[1][6][7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Cc: Detomaso List <[2][7][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone Using an In-Tank Fuel Pump for an
EFI?
> That seems the consensus, M22 1.5. When I search for a plug this
> size
> I found a lot of then for various European cars for transmissions
> etc.
> Seems a common drain plug.
> On Friday, October 8, 2021, 03:46:50 PM PDT, Mike Drew via
> DeTomaso
> <[3][8][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Ken,
> I believe its M22 pipe thread?
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Oct 9, 2021, at 01:52, Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> <[4][9][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> i>>? PS,
>> I found a banjo fitting and replaced the gas tank plug with
> it,
>> but
>> not not sure I can find the original plug to put it back in the
> tank.
>> Does anyone know the thread, or even have one laying around?
>> Ken
>>
>> On Friday, October 8, 2021, 09:12:34 AM PDT, Ken Green
>> <[5][10][11]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> An in-tank pump seems the best approach with minimum exposed hoses
>> and
>> fittings. Has anyone done this in their Pantera?
>> Thanks,
>> Ken
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