[DeTomaso] Spare clutch

Sat Nov 27 19:27:59 EST 2021

I use a Centerforce DF70000, not the Pantera specific clutch, and a long throw slave cylinder. I too was sloppy depressing the clutch before getting the long throw cylinder. 

> 27 nov. 2021 kl. 21:52 skrev Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
> 
>    Not exactly, but if you carefully install a long sheet metal screw in
>   the upholstery kick-panel and pull the plastic panel sideways, further
>   away from the accelerator pedal, there will be more area for your foot
>   on the gas pedal.
>   And if your car has the later over-center linkage, it's all
>   metal-on-metal links that no one has ever lubricated, so everything
>   will be worn and a bit sloppy. This cuts down the amount of motion the
>   clutch gets moved even if you mat the clutch pedal on each shift. Some
>   owners have drilled out the links and installed bushings and hardened
>   pins. In the bell housing there are two bushings or needle bearing
>   pivots on the clutch cross-rod that the slave cylinder actually moves
>   for the throwout bearing. Likely no one had ever lubed those areas
>   either.
>   Have someone completely depress the clutch pedal while you reach down
>   thru the big access hole in the bell housing with a flat feeler gauge,
>   between the flywheel surface and the clutch disc. You'll be lucky to
>   get 0.020" of free clearance. Thats all the clutch has to make your
>   shifts cleanly even with all-proper adjustment & new parts.  Most
>   Panteras have less. And the disc wobbles on the ZF mainshaft in
>   operation so there's always some clutch drag while shifting. ANYTHING
>   you can do to tighten all this stuff up will help.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
>   To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2021 12:24 pm
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Spare clutch
>     It shifts well in all the gears. I am guilty of not depressing the
>     pedal all the way sometimes and I have to keep reminding myself to do
>     that.
>     Is there a way to adjust the space between the accelerator and brake
>     pedals ? I always felt that space to be too small unless I wear high
>     heels, which I tend to avoid :(
>     On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 2:18 PM <[1][1]jderyke at aol.com> wrote:
>     There are a few things that influence how well a clutch operates: the
>     thickness and adjustabilty of the pressure plate & disc, and the
>     thickness of the ZF synchros. A possible 3rd thing is whether you
>     completely depress the clutch pedal to the floor when shifting . Few
>     owners do this. If you happen to try shifting too fast, the Pantera's
>     long heavy linkage can be 'beaten' by quick-shifting, causing
>     grinding.A
>     The worlds best, most expensive clutch on a ZF with worn out synchros
>     will not allow smooth shifting. So it may not be you, my friend- it
>   may
>     be your transmission. A clue (without disassembly) to how worn your
>     synchros are is whether shifting into 4th or 5th is smooth. Usually,
>     2nd gear synchros are the most badly worn. Careful tweeks to the
>     linkage often fixes things if the linkage is also worn. .
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Konrad Szwab <[2][2]kszwab at gmail.com>
>     To: [3][3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     <[4][4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2021 11:23 am
>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Spare clutch
>     A  So now that my poor car is back on the road and the mechanic made
>   me
>     A  promise that I will drive it so it does not die again sitting, I
>   am
>     A  concerned about the long life of the clutchA for the next 400
>   years
>     and
>     A  my shitty driving.
>     A  How much is in general a spare clutch disk and whatever gets
>   damaged
>     by
>     A  lousy shifting drivers ? I think it needs a bit of adjustment, I
>   can
>     A  smell it a bit sometimes on and off when I am at the stoplight in
>     A  neutral, foot NOT on the clutch. I do not think it is rubbing at
>     that
>     A  time but maybe the smell catching up to me like after a running
>     skunk
>     A  or something.
>     A  Just generally worried.
>     A  KonradA
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