[DeTomaso] Spare clutch
jderyke at aol.com
jderyke at aol.com
Sat Nov 27 15:51:58 EST 2021
Not exactly, but if you carefully install a long sheet metal screw in the upholstery kick-panel and pull the plastic panel sideways, further away from the accelerator pedal, there will be more area for your foot on the gas pedal.
And if your car has the later over-center linkage, it's all metal-on-metal links that no one has ever lubricated, so everything will be worn and a bit sloppy. This cuts down the amount of motion the clutch gets moved even if you mat the clutch pedal on each shift. Some owners have drilled out the links and installed bushings and hardened pins. In the bell housing there are two bushings or needle bearing pivots on the clutch cross-rod that the slave cylinder actually moves for the throwout bearing. Likely no one had ever lubed those areas either.
Have someone completely depress the clutch pedal while you reach down thru the big access hole in the bell housing with a flat feeler gauge, between the flywheel surface and the clutch disc. You'll be lucky to get 0.020" of free clearance. Thats all the clutch has to make your shifts cleanly even with all-proper adjustment & new parts. Most Panteras have less. And the disc wobbles on the ZF mainshaft in operation so there's always some clutch drag while shifting. ANYTHING you can do to tighten all this stuff up will help.
-----Original Message-----
From: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2021 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Spare clutch
It shifts well in all the gears. I am guilty of not depressing the
pedal all the way sometimes and I have to keep reminding myself to do
that.
Is there a way to adjust the space between the accelerator and brake
pedals ? I always felt that space to be too small unless I wear high
heels, which I tend to avoid :(
On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 2:18 PM <[1]jderyke at aol.com> wrote:
There are a few things that influence how well a clutch operates: the
thickness and adjustabilty of the pressure plate & disc, and the
thickness of the ZF synchros. A possible 3rd thing is whether you
completely depress the clutch pedal to the floor when shifting . Few
owners do this. If you happen to try shifting too fast, the Pantera's
long heavy linkage can be 'beaten' by quick-shifting, causing
grinding.A
The worlds best, most expensive clutch on a ZF with worn out synchros
will not allow smooth shifting. So it may not be you, my friend- it may
be your transmission. A clue (without disassembly) to how worn your
synchros are is whether shifting into 4th or 5th is smooth. Usually,
2nd gear synchros are the most badly worn. Careful tweeks to the
linkage often fixes things if the linkage is also worn. .
-----Original Message-----
From: Konrad Szwab <[2]kszwab at gmail.com>
To: [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2021 11:23 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Spare clutch
A So now that my poor car is back on the road and the mechanic made me
A promise that I will drive it so it does not die again sitting, I am
A concerned about the long life of the clutchA for the next 400 years
and
A my shitty driving.
A How much is in general a spare clutch disk and whatever gets damaged
by
A lousy shifting drivers ? I think it needs a bit of adjustment, I can
A smell it a bit sometimes on and off when I am at the stoplight in
A neutral, foot NOT on the clutch. I do not think it is rubbing at
that
A time but maybe the smell catching up to me like after a running
skunk
A or something.
A Just generally worried.
A KonradA
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Not exactly, but if you carefully install a long sheet metal screw in
the upholstery kick-panel and pull the plastic panel sideways, further
away from the accelerator pedal, there will be more area for your foot
on the gas pedal.
And if your car has the later over-center linkage, it's all
metal-on-metal links that no one has ever lubricated, so everything
will be worn and a bit sloppy. This cuts down the amount of motion the
clutch gets moved even if you mat the clutch pedal on each shift. Some
owners have drilled out the links and installed bushings and hardened
pins. In the bell housing there are two bushings or needle bearing
pivots on the clutch cross-rod that the slave cylinder actually moves
for the throwout bearing. Likely no one had ever lubed those areas
either.
Have someone completely depress the clutch pedal while you reach down
thru the big access hole in the bell housing with a flat feeler gauge,
between the flywheel surface and the clutch disc. You'll be lucky to
get 0.020" of free clearance. Thats all the clutch has to make your
shifts cleanly even with all-proper adjustment & new parts. Most
Panteras have less. And the disc wobbles on the ZF mainshaft in
operation so there's always some clutch drag while shifting. ANYTHING
you can do to tighten all this stuff up will help.
-----Original Message-----
From: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2021 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Spare clutch
It shifts well in all the gears. I am guilty of not depressing the
pedal all the way sometimes and I have to keep reminding myself to do
that.
Is there a way to adjust the space between the accelerator and brake
pedals ? I always felt that space to be too small unless I wear high
heels, which I tend to avoid :(
On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 2:18 PM <[1][1]jderyke at aol.com> wrote:
There are a few things that influence how well a clutch operates: the
thickness and adjustabilty of the pressure plate & disc, and the
thickness of the ZF synchros. A possible 3rd thing is whether you
completely depress the clutch pedal to the floor when shifting . Few
owners do this. If you happen to try shifting too fast, the Pantera's
long heavy linkage can be 'beaten' by quick-shifting, causing
grinding.A
The worlds best, most expensive clutch on a ZF with worn out synchros
will not allow smooth shifting. So it may not be you, my friend- it
may
be your transmission. A clue (without disassembly) to how worn your
synchros are is whether shifting into 4th or 5th is smooth. Usually,
2nd gear synchros are the most badly worn. Careful tweeks to the
linkage often fixes things if the linkage is also worn. .
-----Original Message-----
From: Konrad Szwab <[2][2]kszwab at gmail.com>
To: [3][3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[4][4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2021 11:23 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Spare clutch
A So now that my poor car is back on the road and the mechanic made
me
A promise that I will drive it so it does not die again sitting, I
am
A concerned about the long life of the clutchA for the next 400
years
and
A my shitty driving.
A How much is in general a spare clutch disk and whatever gets
damaged
by
A lousy shifting drivers ? I think it needs a bit of adjustment, I
can
A smell it a bit sometimes on and off when I am at the stoplight in
A neutral, foot NOT on the clutch. I do not think it is rubbing at
that
A time but maybe the smell catching up to me like after a running
skunk
A or something.
A Just generally worried.
A KonradA
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