[DeTomaso] Pantera with Coyote engine swap
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Tim Meyer Aluminum 3351c block goes for $ 6,900 to 6,500.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Date: 11/17/21 11:11 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera with Coyote engine swap If I recall, Tim Meyer is reproducing an aluminum Cleveland Block, spendy but all aluminum and cast better than stock. Aluminum heads are plentiful, along with super-good valves, springs, guides, rockers arms, etc. A roller cam and lifters are available in several flavors. As far as intakes go, there are square flange to accept a Holley pattern carb, EFI or even something different. Or you can get any number of other independent running manifolds with vertical throttle bodies or cross-ram. With the special order machining services available today you can even design your own. Design your own intake cover, air box and signage and you could build your own flavor of 351C and make it look super-cool modern.It's only money. But even after all that, you may end up spending less than a swap for one of these high-end crate engines, and in a way be closer to original.Me? I'd probably go the route I outlined above, only because I am so familiar with the Cleveland. Not an expert mind you (I leave that to Dan Jones), but it's my most familiar engine.Steve, yes, it take a lot of stout stiffening to cure the stress cracks in the back. Think of it as a badge of honor at this point. :)Asa JayAsa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, RetiredSpokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO******************************https://w7tsc.orghttps://www.teampanteraracing.comOn 11/17/2021 17:28, Steve Lisa wrote:> Why not a well-built aluminium block, aluminum head, Cleveland? We are > already seeing a few minor stress cracks (around the rear lights) on > SN5533. We think you may need a full cage --- more than our stout GR3 > cage -- to keep these chassis alive above 600HP.>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:>> Hi Erik,> There is nothing wrong with being a traditionalist. I myself> appreciate a good original looking and sounding car, especially if> it’s well taken care of. I also like restomods, but I wouldn’t> want to see everyone doing it either. The mix is what makes it> interesting.>> I think it’s a sharp looking upgrade, maybe I don’t like the> interior color, but I will readily admit it looks awesome. The> Pantera has a near timeless look, meaning to me that it looks> modern without being modern, so an engine upgrade like that looks> perfectly normal… to me. Not everyone agrees.>> I also like the look of a clean original Pantera, because it> really shows how it used to be and how even then it was a force to> be reckoned with. I’ve lived a little bit in both worlds when I> owned my Pantera.>> Each of us likes different things, thank God. And thankfully> there are still plenty of original looking Panteras out there to> scratch that itch.>> :)> Asa Jay>>>>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks>> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 14:16, Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > Maybe I'm a little more of a traditionalist, but to me that> engine just> > looks wrong in there. I guess I'm that way with all of the LS> swaps> > into older cars as well. As soon as I see what is in there I lose> > interest. I'm sure it helps it drive like a modern car, and> has tons of> > power,A but isn't that the point in buying an older car? For> me it is> > "take me back in time..."> >> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:06 PM Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso> > <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:> >> > A A Nice looking Pantera highlighted in this list of Coyote> engine> > swaps!> > A> > A> [1][2]https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot> <https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot>> > -rods> > References> > A A 1.> > > [3]https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods> <https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods>> > _______________________________________________> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes> > DeTomaso mailing list> > [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> > [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,> > etc.) use the links above.> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to> forward> > any message posted here to all past, current, or future> members of> > the list. 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Tim Meyer Aluminum 3351c block goes for $ 6,900 to 6,500.
Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------
From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 11/17/21 11:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Garth
Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera with Coyote engine swap
If I recall, Tim Meyer is reproducing an aluminum Cleveland Block,
spendy but all aluminum and cast better than stock. Aluminum heads are
plentiful, along with super-good valves, springs, guides, rockers arms,
etc. A roller cam and lifters are available in several flavors. As
far
as intakes go, there are square flange to accept a Holley pattern carb,
EFI or even something different. Or you can get any number of other
independent running manifolds with vertical throttle bodies or
cross-ram. With the special order machining services available today
you can even design your own. Design your own intake cover, air box and
signage and you could build your own flavor of 351C and make it look
super-cool modern.
It's only money. But even after all that, you may end up spending less
than a swap for one of these high-end crate engines, and in a way be
closer to original.
Me? I'd probably go the route I outlined above, only because I am so
familiar with the Cleveland. Not an expert mind you (I leave that to
Dan Jones), but it's my most familiar engine.
Steve, yes, it take a lot of stout stiffening to cure the stress cracks
in the back. Think of it as a badge of honor at this point. :)
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
******************************
https://w7tsc.org
https://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 11/17/2021 17:28, Steve Lisa wrote:
> Why not a well-built aluminium block, aluminum head, Cleveland? We
are
> already seeing a few minor stress cracks (around the rear lights) on
> SN5533. We think you may need a full cage --- more than our stout
GR3
> cage -- to keep these chassis alive above 600HP.
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Erik,
> There is nothing wrong with being a traditionalist. I myself
> appreciate a good original looking and sounding car, especially
if
> it's well taken care of. I also like restomods, but I wouldn't
> want to see everyone doing it either. The mix is what makes it
> interesting.
>
> I think it's a sharp looking upgrade, maybe I don't like the
> interior color, but I will readily admit it looks awesome. The
> Pantera has a near timeless look, meaning to me that it looks
> modern without being modern, so an engine upgrade like that looks
> perfectly normal... to me. Not everyone agrees.
>
> I also like the look of a clean original Pantera, because it
> really shows how it used to be and how even then it was a force
to
> be reckoned with. I've lived a little bit in both worlds when I
> owned my Pantera.
>
> Each of us likes different things, thank God. And thankfully
> there are still plenty of original looking Panteras out there to
> scratch that itch.
>
> :)
> Asa Jay
>
>
>
>
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>
> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 14:16, Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm a little more of a traditionalist, but to me that
> engine just
> > looks wrong in there. I guess I'm that way with all of the LS
> swaps
> > into older cars as well. As soon as I see what is in there I
lose
> > interest. I'm sure it helps it drive like a modern car, and
> has tons of
> > power,A but isn't that the point in buying an older car? For
> me it is
> > "take me back in time..."
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:06 PM Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
> > <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
> >
> > A A Nice looking Pantera highlighted in this list of
Coyote
> engine
> > swaps!
> > A
> > A
>
[1][2]https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot
> <https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot>
> > -rods
> > References
> > A A 1.
> >
>
[3]https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods
>
<https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods>
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> https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods
>
<https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods>
> > 3.
> https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods
>
<https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods>
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