[DeTomaso] Pantera with Coyote engine swap
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Wed Nov 17 23:27:45 EST 2021
FWIW....we have the "real" iron block '70 Trans Am spec Cleveland going
in. But, I eventually am wanting the Al block/Al head in the Gr 3.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 21:11 Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> If I recall, Tim Meyer is reproducing an aluminum Cleveland Block, spendy
> but all aluminum and cast better than stock. Aluminum heads are plentiful,
> along with super-good valves, springs, guides, rockers arms, etc. A roller
> cam and lifters are available in several flavors. As far as intakes go,
> there are square flange to accept a Holley pattern carb, EFI or even
> something different. Or you can get any number of other independent
> running manifolds with vertical throttle bodies or cross-ram. With the
> special order machining services available today you can even design your
> own. Design your own intake cover, air box and signage and you could build
> your own flavor of 351C and make it look super-cool modern.
>
> It's only money. But even after all that, you may end up spending less
> than a swap for one of these high-end crate engines, and in a way be closer
> to original.
>
> Me? I'd probably go the route I outlined above, only because I am so
> familiar with the Cleveland. Not an expert mind you (I leave that to Dan
> Jones), but it's my most familiar engine.
>
> Steve, yes, it take a lot of stout stiffening to cure the stress cracks in
> the back. Think of it as a badge of honor at this point. :)
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
> ****************************** https://w7tsc.orghttps://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> On 11/17/2021 17:28, Steve Lisa wrote:
>
> Why not a well-built aluminium block, aluminum head, Cleveland? We are
> already seeing a few minor stress cracks (around the rear lights) on
> SN5533. We think you may need a full cage --- more than our stout GR3 cage
> -- to keep these chassis alive above 600HP.
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Erik,
>> There is nothing wrong with being a traditionalist. I myself appreciate
>> a good original looking and sounding car, especially if it’s well taken
>> care of. I also like restomods, but I wouldn’t want to see everyone doing
>> it either. The mix is what makes it interesting.
>>
>> I think it’s a sharp looking upgrade, maybe I don’t like the interior
>> color, but I will readily admit it looks awesome. The Pantera has a near
>> timeless look, meaning to me that it looks modern without being modern, so
>> an engine upgrade like that looks perfectly normal… to me. Not everyone
>> agrees.
>>
>> I also like the look of a clean original Pantera, because it really shows
>> how it used to be and how even then it was a force to be reckoned with.
>> I’ve lived a little bit in both worlds when I owned my Pantera.
>>
>> Each of us likes different things, thank God. And thankfully there are
>> still plenty of original looking Panteras out there to scratch that itch.
>>
>> :)
>> Asa Jay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>
>> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 14:16, Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe I'm a little more of a traditionalist, but to me that engine
>> just
>> > looks wrong in there. I guess I'm that way with all of the LS swaps
>> > into older cars as well. As soon as I see what is in there I lose
>> > interest. I'm sure it helps it drive like a modern car, and has tons
>> of
>> > power,A but isn't that the point in buying an older car? For me it is
>> > "take me back in time..."
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:06 PM Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
>> > <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > A A Nice looking Pantera highlighted in this list of Coyote engine
>> > swaps!
>> > A
>> > A [1][2]
>> https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot
>> > -rods
>> > References
>> > A A 1.
>> > [3]
>> https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods
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>> > 3. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods
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FWIW....we have the "real" iron block '70 Trans Am spec Cleveland going
in.A But, I eventually am wanting the Al block/Al head in the Gr 3.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 21:11 Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
If I recall, Tim Meyer is reproducing an aluminum Cleveland Block,
spendy but all aluminum and cast better than stock.A Aluminum heads
are plentiful, along with super-good valves, springs, guides, rockers
arms, etc.A A roller cam and lifters are available in several
flavors.A As far as intakes go, there are square flange to accept a
Holley pattern carb, EFI or even something different.A Or you can get
any number of other independent running manifolds with vertical
throttle bodies or cross-ram.A With the special order machining
services available today you can even design your own.A Design your
own intake cover, air box and signage and you could build your own
flavor of 351C and make it look super-cool modern.
It's only money.A But even after all that, you may end up spending
less than a swap for one of these high-end crate engines, and in a way
be closer to original.
Me?A I'd probably go the route I outlined above, only because I am so
familiar with the Cleveland.A Not an expert mind you (I leave that to
Dan Jones), but it's my most familiar engine.
Steve, yes, it take a lot of stout stiffening to cure the stress cracks
in the back.A Think of it as a badge of honor at this point.A :)
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
******************************
[2]https://w7tsc.org
[3]https://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 11/17/2021 17:28, Steve Lisa wrote:
Why not a well-built aluminium block, aluminum head, Cleveland?A We
are already seeing a few minor stress cracks (around the rear
lights) on SN5533.A We think you may need a full cage --- more than
our stout GR3 cage -- to keep these chassis alive above 600HP.
On Wednesday, November 17, 2021, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hi Erik,
There is nothing wrong with being a traditionalist.A I myself
appreciate a good original looking and sounding car, especially if
itas well taken care of.A I also like restomods, but I wouldnat
want to see everyone doing it either.A The mix is what makes it
interesting.
I think itas a sharp looking upgrade, maybe I donat like the
interior color, but I will readily admit it looks awesome.A The
Pantera has a near timeless look, meaning to me that it looks modern
without being modern, so an engine upgrade like that looks perfectly
normala|A to me.A Not everyone agrees.
I also like the look of a clean original Pantera, because it really
shows how it used to be and how even then it was a force to be
reckoned with.A Iave lived a little bit in both worlds when I owned
my Pantera.
Each of us likes different things, thank God.A And thankfully there
are still plenty of original looking Panteras out there to scratch
that itch.
:)
AsaA Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> On Nov 17, 2021, at 14:16, Erik Kolstoe <[5]ekolstoe at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> i>>?A A Maybe I'm a little more of a traditionalist, but to me
that engine just
>A A looks wrong in there. I guess I'm that way with all of the LS
swaps
>A A into older cars as well. As soon as I see what is in there I
lose
>A A interest. I'm sure it helps it drive like a modern car, and
has tons of
>A A power,AA but isn't that the point in buying an older car? For
me it is
>A A "take me back in time..."
>
>A A On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:06 PM Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
>A A <[1][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>A A A AA A Nice looking Pantera highlighted in this list of
Coyote engine
>A A A swaps!
>A A A A
>A A A A
[1][2][7]https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-ho
t
>A A A -rods
>A A A References
>A A A AA A 1.
>A A
A [3][8]https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot
-rods
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5. mailto:ekolstoe at gmail.com
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7. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot
8. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/six-coyote-engine-swap-hot-rods
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