[DeTomaso] Intake gaskets

Forest Goodhart forestg at att.net
Wed Mar 17 00:18:14 EDT 2021


 I have had good luck with the Edelbrock gaskets on my 385 series engine.Forest
    On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 08:45:37 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:  
 
   Larry,

  Ah yes, good!

  I have the same heads and actually used a hybrid solution. I used
  conventional Mr. Gasket on the heads, and I cut the ports portion away
  from a MS96012 valley pan and suspended the center of it from the front
  and back, to help prevent oil splash on the intake.  I can't take
  credit for that idea--it came from Dave McLain.

  [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-214

  Mike
  Sent from my iPad

    On Mar 16, 2021, at 20:33, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
    <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

  Mike,
  Thanks. But......
  My CHI 4V heads have no crossover.
  That likely changes your recommendation??
  and what happened to the Victor reinz gaskets??
  BTW  the MS96012 is a valley pan design.
  What is a good conventional gasket if not using the valley pan style?
  Larry
  <image0.jpeg>
  Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

    On Mar 16, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:

    Larry,

    The engineers who designed the 351C insisted that a valley pan
    gasket must be used. This is because the intake manifold has an
    exhaust crossover that routes some of the gas from the exhaust ports
    into the intake under the carb, to promote faster warmup and better
    fuel atomization.

    This makes the underside of the intake very hot. The valley pan
    gasket shields the underside of the intake from the oil splashing in
    the lifter valley. Otherwise, the result can be coking of the oil,
    leaving nasty deposits that can then pollute the oiling system, clog
    passages etc.

    For years the standard 351C gasket was the Fel-Pro MS96012.  That's
    for 4V heads. The 2V version is MS96010.

    If your intake has been modified to weld up the exhaust crossover,
    you can use conventional gaskets.

    Whatever you do, under NO circumstances should you even remotely
    consider using the Fel-Pri Print-O-Leak gaskets. They are beyond
    horrible and have failed time and time again.  The normal failure
    mode sees the engine sucking oil from the lifter valley into the
    inlet fir one or more cylinders, leading to poor running, high oil
    consumption, fouling of the plugs and smoke out the exhaust. I have
    no idea how Fel Pro can continue to make these things considering
    how awful they are, in virtually every engine I've ever dealt with.

    You and I mutually know a guy who decided his engine had gone bad
    and pulled it from the car and commissioned a full rebuild when
    there was nothing wrong except a bad intake manifold gasket!

    Mike

    Sent from my iPad

    On Mar 16, 2021, at 19:55, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
    <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

    All,

    2511 shakedown miles have revealed oil leaking where the intake
    manifold mates to the cylinder heads.

    My notes show Dan Jones once recommended Victor Reinz 95078SG
    gaskets but they seem to no longer be available?

    Also mentioned by Dan were Mr. gasket 214 and the Fel-Pro
    Printo-seal 1228 which at one point had a bad reputation for
    leaking.

    Did Fel-Pro fix their leaking problems and can the 95078SG gasket
    still be found somewhere?

    Wisdom and advice appreciated,

    Larry

    Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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   I have had good luck with the Edelbrock gaskets on my 385 series
   engine.
   Forest

   On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, 08:45:37 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     Larry,
     Ah yes, good!
     I have the same heads and actually used a hybrid solution. I used
     conventional Mr. Gasket on the heads, and I cut the ports portion
   away
     from a MS96012 valley pan and suspended the center of it from the
   front
     and back, to help prevent oil splash on the intake.  I can't take
     credit for that idea--it came from Dave McLain.
     [1][1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-214
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
       On Mar 16, 2021, at 20:33, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
       <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     Mike,
     Thanks. But......
     My CHI 4V heads have no crossover.
     That likely changes your recommendation??
     and what happened to the Victor reinz gaskets??
     BTW  the MS96012 is a valley pan design.
     What is a good conventional gasket if not using the valley pan style?
     Larry
     <image0.jpeg>
     Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
       On Mar 16, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Mike Drew <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
       Larry,
       The engineers who designed the 351C insisted that a valley pan
       gasket must be used. This is because the intake manifold has an
       exhaust crossover that routes some of the gas from the exhaust
   ports
       into the intake under the carb, to promote faster warmup and better
       fuel atomization.
       This makes the underside of the intake very hot. The valley pan
       gasket shields the underside of the intake from the oil splashing
   in
       the lifter valley. Otherwise, the result can be coking of the oil,
       leaving nasty deposits that can then pollute the oiling system,
   clog
       passages etc.
       For years the standard 351C gasket was the Fel-Pro MS96012.  That's
       for 4V heads. The 2V version is MS96010.
       If your intake has been modified to weld up the exhaust crossover,
       you can use conventional gaskets.
       Whatever you do, under NO circumstances should you even remotely
       consider using the Fel-Pri Print-O-Leak gaskets. They are beyond
       horrible and have failed time and time again.  The normal failure
       mode sees the engine sucking oil from the lifter valley into the
       inlet fir one or more cylinders, leading to poor running, high oil
       consumption, fouling of the plugs and smoke out the exhaust. I have
       no idea how Fel Pro can continue to make these things considering
       how awful they are, in virtually every engine I've ever dealt with.
       You and I mutually know a guy who decided his engine had gone bad
       and pulled it from the car and commissioned a full rebuild when
       there was nothing wrong except a bad intake manifold gasket!
       Mike
       Sent from my iPad
       On Mar 16, 2021, at 19:55, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
       <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       All,
       2511 shakedown miles have revealed oil leaking where the intake
       manifold mates to the cylinder heads.
       My notes show Dan Jones once recommended Victor Reinz 95078SG
       gaskets but they seem to no longer be available?
       Also mentioned by Dan were Mr. gasket 214 and the Fel-Pro
       Printo-seal 1228 which at one point had a bad reputation for
       leaking.
       Did Fel-Pro fix their leaking problems and can the 95078SG gasket
       still be found somewhere?
       Wisdom and advice appreciated,
       Larry
       Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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