[DeTomaso] BaT No Sale at $135K for a Hall GT5-S Conversion
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Tue Jun 8 13:07:26 EDT 2021
Or as a car dealer would snidely say, "there's a car for every ass and an
ass for every car. "
Jeff
6559
On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:04 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> There is a car for every buyer and buyer for every car, within which
>
> there will always be a 'Ken' or 'Barbie' that is blinded by the
>
> bling....
>
>
>
> I think the point being made was that highly modified cars are often a
>
> reflection of the owner's taste, when it comes time to sell a potential
>
> buyer does not necessarily see value in all the modifications and thus
>
> such cars often sell for less than the owner's investment. For someone
>
> who wants a GT5-S as this was the benchmark would likely be a real
>
> GT5-S price discounted for the amount one feels the 'stock' late model
>
> car will appreciate over an early modified car. One could still argue
>
> adding partial steel flare sections is still a long way from what a
>
> real GT5-S is.
>
>
>
> Julian
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>
> Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 8:48 AM
>
> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>
> Cc: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT No Sale at $135K for a Hall GT5-S
>
> Conversion
>
>
>
> Not sure about:
>
> "$135k was all the money and then some for this car. It will never be
>
> worth close to what a really GT5-S is worth."
>
> Guess I'm a sucker for aluminum blocks, suspension, etc. If someone
>
> wants what the black car is, and it can be confirmed to be rust free
>
> and needs virtually nothing, I suspect it would probably cost more than
>
> $135K to duplicate it. If you buy a driver and have a reputable shop
>
> take it to bare metal and make all the mods, I'd guess well over $135K
>
> when you are done?
>
> It would be interesting to hear from the shops (Wilkinson, Byers,
>
> Stock, etc) what it would cost to duplicate, and add the cost of a
>
> clean driver needing paint, maybe rust repair, etc., maybe $60K
>
> presently???
>
> Ken
>
> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 1:56:09 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ken,
>
> Yes, my point exactly. And that is what you were objecting to?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 8, 2021, at 05:20, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think there is such a thing as "actual worth". What a car is
>
> worth is what the buyer thinks at that moment of the sale.
>
> On Monday, June 7, 2021, 1:06:19 PM PDT, Mike Drew
>
> <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> I'm not talking about what you or I like. I'm talking about what a
>
> given car is actually worth, regardless of what it cost to build it.
>
> It's nit being critical, it's being realistic and honest.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 6, 2021, at 20:42, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Did the DOHC valve covers drive the price down some?
>
> I'm not a collector and would take the pro-touring Pantera over the
>
> "original" if in the same condition. I have seen Vette restomods
>
> sell
>
> for crazy prices.
>
> If a restomod Pantera is done right, why be so critical? I would not
>
> want an original Pantera.
>
> On Saturday, June 5, 2021, 10:20:15 PM PDT, <gt40 at sbcglobal.net>
>
> wrote:
>
> Well with the most recent sale (on BAT) of an original GT5-S being
>
> 167K
>
> on
>
> 12/20...
>
> [1]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-detomaso-pantera-gt5-s/
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT No Sale at $135K for a Hall GT5-S
>
> Conversion
>
> I couldn't have said it any better, Mike. As my grandfather and I
>
> learned
>
> many years ago, even though you've put $200K into a car, it's value
>
> is
>
> only
>
> what someone is willing to pay for it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 5, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>
> > <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Mike,
>
> >
>
> > My thoughts?
>
> >
>
> > Just because you spent X dollars building a car doesn't mean it's
>
> worth X
>
> > dollars when it comes time to sell it.
>
> >
>
> > $135k was all the money and then some for this car. It will never
>
> be
>
> > worth close to what a really GT5-S is worth. Hopefully seller and
>
> high
>
> > bidder can come to a deal, but if not seller will wind up owning
>
> this
>
> car
>
> > forever I think....
>
> >
>
> > Mike
>
> >
>
> > Sent from my iPad
>
> >
>
> >> On Jun 5, 2021, at 17:48, Mike & Elizabeth
>
> <[3]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> This Hall GT5-S conversion was a no-sale at $135K. With original
>
> >> GT5-S's having trouble getting past $200K I'm thinking the
>
> reserve
>
> may
>
> >> have been a little optimistic?
>
> >>
>
> >> Your thoughts?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> [1][4]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-detomaso-pantera-39/
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Mike Thomas
>
> >>
>
> >> References
>
> >>
>
> >> 1. [5]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-detomaso-pantera-39/
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Or as a car dealer would snidely say, "there's a car for every ass and
an ass for every car. "
Jeff
6559
On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:04 PM Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A There is a car for every buyer and buyer for every car, within
which
A A there will always be a 'Ken' or 'Barbie' that is blinded by the
A A bling....
A A I think the point being made was that highly modified cars are
often a
A A reflection of the owner's taste, when it comes time to sell a
potential
A A buyer does not necessarily see value in all the modifications
and thus
A A such cars often sell for less than the owner's investment. For
someone
A A who wants a GT5-S as this was the benchmark would likely be a
real
A A GT5-S price discounted for the amount one feels the 'stock'
late model
A A car will appreciate over an early modified car. One could still
argue
A A adding partial steel flare sections is still a long way from
what a
A A real GT5-S is.
A A Julian
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
A A Ken Green via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 8:48 AM
A A To: Mike Drew <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A Cc: Detomaso List <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT No Sale at $135K for a Hall GT5-S
A A Conversion
A A Not sure about:
A A "$135k was all the money and then some for this car.A It will
never be
A A worth close to what a really GT5-S is worth."
A A Guess I'm a sucker for aluminum blocks, suspension, etc.A If
someone
A A wants what the black car is, and it can be confirmed to be rust
free
A A and needs virtually nothing, I suspect it would probably cost
more than
A A $135K to duplicate it.A If you buy a driver and have a
reputable shop
A A take it to bare metal and make all the mods, I'd guess well
over $135K
A A when you are done?
A A It would be interesting to hear from the shops (Wilkinson,
Byers,
A A Stock, etc) what it would cost to duplicate, and add the cost
of a
A A clean driver needing paint, maybe rust repair, etc., maybe $60K
A A presently???
A A Ken
A A A A On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 1:56:09 AM PDT, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
A A <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A Ken,
A A A Yes, my point exactly. And that is what you were objecting
to?
A A A Mike
A A A Sent from my iPad
A A A A On Jun 8, 2021, at 05:20, Ken Green
<[7]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
A A A I don't think there is such a thing as "actual worth".A
What a car is
A A A worth is what the buyer thinks at that moment of the sale.
A A A On Monday, June 7, 2021, 1:06:19 PM PDT, Mike Drew
A A <[8]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A Ken,
A A A I'm not talking about what you or I like. I'm talking about
what a
A A A given car is actually worth, regardless of what it cost to
build it.
A A A It's nit being critical, it's being realistic and honest.
A A A Mike
A A A Sent from my iPad
A A A A On Jun 6, 2021, at 20:42, Ken Green
<[9]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
A A A Did the DOHC valve covers drive the price down some?
A A A I'm not a collector and would take the pro-touring Pantera
over the
A A A "original" if in the same condition.A I have seen Vette
restomods
A A sell
A A A for crazy prices.
A A A If a restomod Pantera is done right, why be so critical?A I
would not
A A A want an original Pantera.
A A A On Saturday, June 5, 2021, 10:20:15 PM PDT,
<[10]gt40 at sbcglobal.net>
A A wrote:
A A A Well with the most recent sale (on BAT) of an original GT5-S
being
A A 167K
A A A on
A A A 12/20...
A A
A [1][11]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-detomaso-pantera-gt5
-s/
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT No Sale at $135K for a Hall
GT5-S
A A A Conversion
A A A I couldn't have said it any better, Mike. As my grandfather
and I
A A A learned
A A A many years ago, even though you've put $200K into a car,
it's value
A A is
A A A only
A A A what someone is willing to pay for it.
A A A Sent from my iPhone
A A A > On Jun 5, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
A A A > <[2][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A >
A A A > Mike,
A A A >
A A A > My thoughts?
A A A >
A A A > Just because you spent X dollars building a car doesn't
mean it's
A A A worth X
A A A > dollars when it comes time to sell it.
A A A >
A A A > $135k was all the money and then some for this car.A It
will never
A A be
A A A > worth close to what a really GT5-S is worth. Hopefully
seller and
A A A high
A A A > bidder can come to a deal, but if not seller will wind up
owning
A A this
A A A car
A A A > forever I think....
A A A >
A A A > Mike
A A A >
A A A > Sent from my iPad
A A A >
A A A >> On Jun 5, 2021, at 17:48, Mike & Elizabeth
A A A <[3][13]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A >>
A A A >>A This Hall GT5-S conversion was a no-sale at $135K.A
With original
A A A >>A GT5-S's having trouble getting past $200K I'm thinking
the
A A reserve
A A A may
A A A >>A have been a little optimistic?
A A A >>
A A A >>A Your thoughts?
A A A >>
A A A >>
A A A >>A
[1][4][14]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-detomaso-pantera-39
/
A A A >>
A A A >>
A A A >>A Mike Thomas
A A A >>
A A A >> References
A A A >>
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[5][15]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-detomaso-pantera-39/
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