[DeTomaso] Vader window system?
Thomas Törnblom
thomas at hax.se
Wed Jul 28 15:54:31 EDT 2021
Thanks Jack,
What I meant was if anyone has done the Aerostar/Taurus mod to the later regulators.
Cheers,
Thomas
> 28 juli 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev jderyke at aol.com:
>
>
> Thomas, the Vader window lift system uses modern electric motors and regulators from some unknown model of Ford, from which the cable drive window lifts were adapted (extensively!). It's all included in Ted's kits along with new window guides. Mine are now about 25 years old with not a lick of trouble, installed easily and retract the stock glass all the way down.
> Cheers- J Deryke
>
>
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> From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2021 9:57 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Vader window system?
>
> Has anyone attempted this modification on the later regulators with the
> French motors (Ducellier?)? No idea if the regulators are the same, but
> the later ones does not have any crank support at least.
>
> While the regulators in my 84 GT5 works, they are slow. I haven't done
> attempt at adjusting them, so perhaps that's all that is needed.
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>
> Den 2021-07-28 kl. 17:54, skrev MARK CHARLTON:
> > I modified my car to use the Ford Aerostar (and Taurus can work too I'm
> > told) motors for speed and reduced electrical load. A few notches
> > carefully placed in the factory regulator enable full retraction. And
> > all for a LOT less than $750!
> >
> > Details are about two thirds the way down this web page:
> >
> > [1]http://www.markscars.ca/Pantera_Projects_2.html
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mark Charlton
> > [2]pantera01826 at rogers.com
> >
> > On Jul 28, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Richard Greenblum
> > <[3]Richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have the Vader window lifts. As soon as I found out about the brass
> > gears, I installed them in both window and the headlight lifts.
> > Despite replacing the whiskers and several attempts by me and others to
> > adjust the tracks, I could never get the windows to open or close all
> > the way, nor could I get rid of the drag at the top of travel. That's
> > what made the $750 palatable. I didn't do it for the speed, in fact,
> > I'm not crazy about the speed because I think it's a little too fast.
> > Richard
> > Austin, TX
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2021, at 23:42, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> > <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > All,
> > Apparently this failed to go through first time?
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
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> > From: Mike Drew <[5]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> > Date: July 27, 2021 at 16:43:24 PDT
> > To: John Donahue <[6]demongusta at gmail.com>
> > Cc: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Vader window system?
> > John,
> > It's a super-sexy, super-elegant engineering solution to what I
> > consider to be a non-problem, that being that the windows don't go
> > up
> > and down fast enough. It replaces the entire gear-and-arm mechanism
> > with an exquisitely engineered cable-based system.
> > I've never seen the problem with the stock system when it works as
> > designed (using proper brass replacements for the crappy plastic
> > gears
> > that can crack and fail). I have never once suffered because they
> > wouldn't go up or down fast enough. But some people feel the need
> > to
> > have a glass guillotine in the door, that sends the glass up ZOOM
> > that
> > fast. For them, the Vader system was invented (Ted Mitchell the
> > inventor was obsessed with Darth Vader, and his black GT5 license
> > plate
> > was VADER).
> > It's a brilliantly conceived and executed system, which is
> > unfortunately expensive ($750 last I checked, for both sides).
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
> > On Jul 27, 2021, at 13:30, John Donahue <[8]demongusta at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > For those of us that don't know, what is the Vadar window system?
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
> > #4346
> > On Jul 27, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> > <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> > Great thanks!
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
> > On Jul 27, 2021, at 12:14, Julian Kift
> > <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > Mike,
> > Rick posted on the PI Forum last year that he is still
> > manufacturing
> > the Vader window units and selling at $750 a pair.
> > Email; [11]mrhatfield06 at hotmail.com
> > Cell (918) 346-8786
> > Julian
> > _______________________________________________________________
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> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Vader window system?
> > Guys,
> > The late Ted Mitchell sold what was arguably the best aftermarket
> > window solution, the Vader window lifts. With his passing, has
> > that
> > product left the market entirely? Or is Rick keeping them going?
> > I've
> > searched the web and can't find anything, nor can I find contact
> > info
> > for Rick? A friend is looking for a set....
> > Mike
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Thanks Jack,
What I meant was if anyone has done the Aerostar/Taurus mod to the
later regulators.
Cheers,
Thomas
28 juli 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev jderyke at aol.com:
Thomas, the Vader window lift system uses modern electric motors and
regulators from some unknown model of Ford, from which the cable drive
window lifts were adapted (extensively!). It's all included in Ted's
kits along with new window guides. Mine are now about 25 years old with
not a lick of trouble, installed easily and retract the stock glass all
the way down.
Cheers- J Deryke
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2021 9:57 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Vader window system?
Has anyone attempted this modification on the later regulators with the
French motors (Ducellier?)? No idea if the regulators are the same, but
the later ones does not have any crank support at least.
While the regulators in my 84 GT5 works, they are slow. I haven't done
attempt at adjusting them, so perhaps that's all that is needed.
Cheers,
Thomas
Den 2021-07-28 kl. 17:54, skrev MARK CHARLTON:
> I modified my car to use the Ford Aerostar (and Taurus can work
too I'm
> told) motors for speed and reduced electrical load. A few notches
> carefully placed in the factory regulator enable full retraction.
And
> all for a LOT less than $750!
>
> Details are about two thirds the way down this web page:
>
> [1][1]http://www.markscars.ca/Pantera_Projects_2.html
>
> Cheers,
> Mark Charlton
> [2][2]pantera01826 at rogers.com
>
> On Jul 28, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Richard Greenblum
> <[3][3]Richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>
> I have the Vader window lifts. As soon as I found out about the
brass
> gears, I installed them in both window and the headlight lifts.
> Despite replacing the whiskers and several attempts by me and
others to
> adjust the tracks, I could never get the windows to open or close
all
> the way, nor could I get rid of the drag at the top of travel.
That's
> what made the $750 palatable. I didn't do it for the speed, in
fact,
> I'm not crazy about the speed because I think it's a little too
fast.
> Richard
> Austin, TX
>
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 23:42, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[4][4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> All,
> Apparently this failed to go through first time?
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: Mike Drew <[5][5]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Date: July 27, 2021 at 16:43:24 PDT
> To: John Donahue <[6][6]demongusta at gmail.com>
> Cc: [7][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Vader window system?
> John,
> It's a super-sexy, super-elegant engineering solution to what
I
> consider to be a non-problem, that being that the windows
don't go
> up
> and down fast enough. It replaces the entire gear-and-arm
mechanism
> with an exquisitely engineered cable-based system.
> I've never seen the problem with the stock system when it
works as
> designed (using proper brass replacements for the crappy
plastic
> gears
> that can crack and fail). I have never once suffered because
they
> wouldn't go up or down fast enough. But some people feel the
need
> to
> have a glass guillotine in the door, that sends the glass up
ZOOM
> that
> fast. For them, the Vader system was invented (Ted Mitchell
the
> inventor was obsessed with Darth Vader, and his black GT5
license
> plate
> was VADER).
> It's a brilliantly conceived and executed system, which is
> unfortunately expensive ($750 last I checked, for both sides).
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 13:30, John Donahue
<[8][8]demongusta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> For those of us that don't know, what is the Vadar window
system?
> Thanks,
> Jack
> #4346
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[9][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Great thanks!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 27, 2021, at 12:14, Julian Kift
> <[10][10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> Mike,
> Rick posted on the PI Forum last year that he is still
> manufacturing
> the Vader window units and selling at $750 a pair.
> Email; [11][11]mrhatfield06 at hotmail.com
> Cell (918) 346-8786
> Julian
>
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> To: De Tomaso Forum
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Vader window system?
> Guys,
> The late Ted Mitchell sold what was arguably the best
aftermarket
> window solution, the Vader window lifts. With his passing,
has
> that
> product left the market entirely? Or is Rick keeping them
going?
> I've
> searched the web and can't find anything, nor can I find
contact
> info
> for Rick? A friend is looking for a set....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
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