[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 199, Issue 13
Dennis O'Brien
dobtruckers at gmail.com
Fri Jan 15 19:18:00 EST 2021
Oooooo, the plot thickens....
Dennis O'Brien
O'Brien Truckers
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Charlton MA 01507
508-248-1555
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> 1. Re: Backup camera question (sean mundy)
> 2. NPC leaked AA batteries and solution (Ken Green)
> 3. NPC Black BOX (B Hower)
> 4. Re: NPC leaked AA batteries and solution (David)
> 5. Backup camera question (dnunn at telus.net)
> 6. Re: NPC Black BOX (Steve Liebenow)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 19:45:26 +0000
> From: sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> To: "dnunn at telus.net" <dnunn at telus.net>,
> "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Backup camera question
> Message-ID:
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> Will it mount though to the Pantera existing mount or you have to make
> something?
>
> From: dnunn at telus.net<mailto:dnunn at telus.net>
> Sent: ?Thursday?, ?January? ?14?, ?2021 ?10?:?56? ?AM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Further to my previous message; I see they have a new model called the
> "T9",
> without the dash cam, that's much cheaper ($175.99).
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> I recently purchased an AutoVox V5 Pro rear view mirror/camera. I bought it
> from Amazon on Black Friday for 30% off! I learned about this item from a
> guy who builds Superlite SLC's, which have no rear window at all. It is a
> permanently installed rear view mirror, with built-in dash cam, that
> replaces your existing rear view mirror. The rear camera stays on all the
> time but when you shift into reverse, distance and guide lines appear. This
> would be great for Pantera owners with high rise intake manifolds. You can
> see it in the YouTube video below, between 0:45 and 1:15. The one in the
> video is the older model. The new model comes with a better (Sony) rear
> view
> camera.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMha8bbmjxc
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/AUTO-VOX-Anti-Glare-9-35Full-Laminated-Tracking/dp/B0
> 895NMDKT
> <https://www.amazon.com/AUTO-VOX-Anti-Glare-9-35Full-Laminated-Tracking/dp/B0895NMDKT>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Will it mount though to the Pantera existing mount or you have to make
> something?
> From: [1]dnunn at telus.net
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 10:56 AM
> To: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Further to my previous message; I see they have a new model called the
> "T9",
> without the dash cam, that's much cheaper ($175.99).
> -------------------------------------------------------
> I recently purchased an AutoVox V5 Pro rear view mirror/camera. I
> bought it
> from Amazon on Black Friday for 30% off! I learned about this item from
> a
> guy who builds Superlite SLC's, which have no rear window at all. It is
> a
> permanently installed rear view mirror, with built-in dash cam, that
> replaces your existing rear view mirror. The rear camera stays on all
> the
> time but when you shift into reverse, distance and guide lines appear.
> This
> would be great for Pantera owners with high rise intake manifolds. You
> can
> see it in the YouTube video below, between 0:45 and 1:15. The one in
> the
> video is the older model. The new model comes with a better (Sony) rear
> view
> camera.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMha8bbmjxc
> https://www.amazon.com/AUTO-VOX-Anti-Glare-9-35Full-Laminated-Tracking/
> dp/B0
> 895NMDKT
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:dnunn at telus.net
> 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:00:35 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC leaked AA batteries and solution
> Message-ID: <1754694980.1409407.1610740835582 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I have a $150 inspection light that has been useful:
> Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD,
> 941199 - Walmart.com
>
> |
> |
> |
> | $169.99 | |
>
> |
>
> |
> |
> | |
> Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD, 9...
>
> Free 2-day shipping. Buy Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection
> Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD, 941199 at Walmar...
> |
>
> |
>
> |
>
>
>
>
> that quit working.? It has a battery drawer with 4 AA batteries.?
>
> I pulled the drawer out and some of the batteries had leaked.? I am seeing
> leaking AA and AAA batteries more than I ever recall in the past?
>
> Brushed off the corrosion and replaced the batteries, looked OK, still
> didn't work.
> Set the empty battery drawer in a backing soda and water mix for maybe 3
> hours, didn't look different, but the light works now.? I guess a thin
> layer of corrosion was enough to keep it from working.? Saved $150.
>
> Ken
> -------------- next part --------------
> I have a $150 inspection light that has been useful:
> [1]Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color
> LCD, 941199 - Walmart.com
> $169.99
>
> [walmart.png]
>
> Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD,
> 9...
>
> Free 2-day shipping. Buy Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection
> Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD, 941199 at Walmar...
>
> that quit working. It has a battery drawer with 4 AA batteries.
> I pulled the drawer out and some of the batteries had leaked. I am
> seeing leaking AA and AAA batteries more than I ever recall in the
> past?
> Brushed off the corrosion and replaced the batteries, looked OK, still
> didn't work.
> Set the empty battery drawer in a backing soda and water mix for maybe
> 3 hours, didn't look different, but the light works now. I guess a
> thin layer of corrosion was enough to keep it from working. Saved
> $150.
> Ken
>
> References
>
> Visible links
> 1.
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Powerbuilt-Digital-Video-Scope-Inspection-Camera-2-4-Inch-Color-LCD-941199/529283308
>
> Hidden links:
> 3.
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Powerbuilt-Digital-Video-Scope-Inspection-Camera-2-4-Inch-Color-LCD-941199/529283308
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 21:44:53 +0000 (UTC)
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: Steve Liebenow <steven.liebenow at att.net>, Mike Drew
> <mikeldrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso List <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Black BOX
> Message-ID: <735864508.2436252.1610747093477 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> FWIW
> While working on my 71 Ranchero ( cleaning up wiring under dash --- re
> routing +12V wire to Lentech? AOD overdrive lockout solenoid etc. ) again
> ran across a black box with electrical wires and vacuum lines attached. I
> had run across this box as well as wiring coming from speedometer cable,
> near steering column at floor under carpet. I had always wondered about
> what each did. I didn't know they were connected.I did not pay much
> attention to them, thou Torino I bought in July of 70 has same. So does
> other 70/71 Torinos, 701/2 Falcon, and 70 LTDs I have or had. But this time
> vacuum lines had been chewed in two by mice.. So "need to know" became more
> important .
> What I found out follows:
>
>
> re: what isthis black box for????????
>
> http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
>
> - Quote
>
> PostbyFORDification ? Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:59 pm
>
> Yes, this emission system can betotally removed and you would never know
> it. It is a NOx device that onlyallows the vacuum advance to work under
> certain conditions. When the outsidetemp. is below 60 degrees or so the
> vacuum advance is allowed, when it's abovethat temp, the vacuum advance is
> only allowed when the vehicle is travelingaround 30mph or faster. The
> hardware and wiring to do this varied from '70 -'72but basically you have a
> temp. sensor, a sensor on the trans. and a controlmodule with a solenoid
> valve for the vacuum. For automatics the trans. sensoris a line pressure
> switch and for manuals it's just a mechanical switch thattells when it's in
> high gear. The control module switches the vacuum source onor off to the
> vacuum advance depending on the temp. and/or speed. This emissionsystem is
> a 'tack-on' like most of the first-generation types and is not a partof the
> main wiring harness.
>
> ?
>
> Here's a diagram of the layout of that system:
>
> Electrically Controlled Solenoid Valveto Control Distributor Vacuum Advance
>
> Vacuum box Torino
>
> DOAF-9E718
>
>
> I guess this was not used in a 71 US sold Pantera
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:28:31 AM CST, Steve Liebenow <
> steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:
>
> Bud, Mike,
> Greetings!
>
> In 70+ Ford started doing all sorts of whiz bang stuff to control
> smog..........? This could be something like that.?? I've never seen this
> one, but I never really have paid attention to or worked with the Torino's
> in 71+ other than drivetrain bits.
> Is there a Ford number on the plastic box??? If you can get me that I'll
> look it up in the MPC..... otherwise try a copy of the 71 vacuum diagrams
> or even the shop manual.
> I'm guessing that it is a device to alter the vacuum to the distributor
> during operation.....the electrical connector could be tach feed or from
> some switch on the engine......? advance timing when no engine load, retard
> when under heavy load to prevent pinging and misfiring.
> Steve
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:50:50 PM PST, Mike Drew <
> mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Bud,
> Sorry no clue. Steve will know.?
> Steve?see below then ?reply all? please?
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 12, 2021 at 22:42:23 PST
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: vacuum ?
>
>
>
> ?Hi Mike,
>
> I can't believe I have owned Torinos since 1970 and still do not know what
> this item is nor what its function is.
> Do you have a clue? Photos of 71 Ranchero item.
> See attachment:
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> FWIW
> While working on my 71 Ranchero ( cleaning up wiring under dash --- re
> routing +12V wire to Lentech AOD overdrive lockout solenoid etc. )
> again ran across a black box with electrical wires and vacuum lines
> attached. I had run across this box as well as wiring coming from
> speedometer cable, near steering column at floor under carpet. I had
> always wondered about what each did. I didn't know they were connected.
> I did not pay much attention to them, thou Torino I bought in July of
> 70 has same. So does other 70/71 Torinos, 701/2 Falcon, and 70 LTDs I
> have or had. But this time vacuum lines had been chewed in two by
> mice.. So "need to know" became more important .
> What I found out follows:
>
> [1]re: what is this black box for????????
>
> [2]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
> * [3]Quote
>
> [4]Postby [5]FORDification A>> Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:59 pm
>
> Yes, this emission system can be totally removed and you would never
> know it. It is a NOx device that only allows the vacuum advance to work
> under certain conditions. When the outside temp. is below 60 degrees or
> so the vacuum advance is allowed, when it's above that temp, the vacuum
> advance is only allowed when the vehicle is traveling around 30mph or
> faster. The hardware and wiring to do this varied from '70 -'72 but
> basically you have a temp. sensor, a sensor on the trans. and a control
> module with a solenoid valve for the vacuum. For automatics the trans.
> sensor is a line pressure switch and for manuals it's just a mechanical
> switch that tells when it's in high gear. The control module switches
> the vacuum source on or off to the vacuum advance depending on the
> temp. and/or speed. This emission system is a 'tack-on' like most of
> the first-generation types and is not a part of the main wiring
> harness.
>
>
> Here's a diagram of the layout of that system:
>
> Electrically Controlled Solenoid Valve to Control Distributor Vacuum
> Advance
>
> Vacuum box Torino
>
> DOAF-9E718
> Inline image
> I guess this was not used in a 71 US sold Pantera
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:28:31 AM CST, Steve Liebenow
> <steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:
> Bud, Mike,
> Greetings!
> In 70+ Ford started doing all sorts of whiz bang stuff to control
> smog.......... This could be something like that. I've never seen
> this one, but I never really have paid attention to or worked with the
> Torino's in 71+ other than drivetrain bits.
> Is there a Ford number on the plastic box? If you can get me that
> I'll look it up in the MPC..... otherwise try a copy of the 71 vacuum
> diagrams or even the shop manual.
> I'm guessing that it is a device to alter the vacuum to the distributor
> during operation.....the electrical connector could be tach feed or
> from some switch on the engine...... advance timing when no engine
> load, retard when under heavy load to prevent pinging and misfiring.
> Steve
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:50:50 PM PST, Mike Drew
> <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> Bud,
> Sorry no clue. Steve will know.
> Steveasee below then areply alla please?
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 12, 2021 at 22:42:23 PST
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: vacuum ?
>
> i>>?
> Hi Mike,
> I can't believe I have owned Torinos since 1970 and still do not know
> what this item is nor what its function is.
> Do you have a clue? Photos of 71 Ranchero item.
> See attachment:
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
> [cid:l8ZIohxf6I2nV76P6HTG] [cid:Qxjre7usnizMAum9UUxB]
>
> References
>
> 1. http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334#p111361
> 2. http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
> 3.
> http://fordification.com/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=111361&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda
> 4.
> http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111361&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda#p111361
> 5.
> http://fordification.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:48:43 -0600
> From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC leaked AA batteries and solution
> Message-ID: <29C523D4-F8A6-4A25-8B8F-AE1ABAE93BBA at msmcontractors.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> That is why I only use Lithium batteries.
> Never had one leak.
> David Finley
>
> > On Jan 15, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a $150 inspection light that has been useful:
> > [1]Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color
> > LCD, 941199 - Walmart.com
> > $169.99
> >
> > [walmart.png]
> >
> > Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD,
> 9...
> >
> > Free 2-day shipping. Buy Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection
> > Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD, 941199 at Walmar...
> >
> > that quit working. It has a battery drawer with 4 AA batteries.
> > I pulled the drawer out and some of the batteries had leaked. I am
> > seeing leaking AA and AAA batteries more than I ever recall in the
> > past?
> > Brushed off the corrosion and replaced the batteries, looked OK, still
> > didn't work.
> > Set the empty battery drawer in a backing soda and water mix for maybe
> > 3 hours, didn't look different, but the light works now. I guess a
> > thin layer of corrosion was enough to keep it from working. Saved
> > $150.
> > Ken
> >
> > References
> >
> > Visible links
> > 1.
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Powerbuilt-Digital-Video-Scope-Inspection-Camera-2-4-Inch-Color-LCD-941199/529283308
> >
> > Hidden links:
> > 3.
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Powerbuilt-Digital-Video-Scope-Inspection-Camera-2-4-Inch-Color-LCD-941199/529283308
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:59:09 -0800
> From: <dnunn at telus.net>
> To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Backup camera question
> Message-ID: <000001d6eb89$a719ef70$f54dce50$@telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> AutoVox provides 4 adapters with the unit and if one of those doesn't work,
> they have dozens available for less common applications. That being said,
> I'm not holding my breath, that one of theirs will work! I'm fully prepared
> to fab up some sort of adapter myself.
> -------------- next part --------------
> AutoVox provides 4 adapters with the unit and if one of those doesn't
> work, they have dozens available for less common applications. That
> being said, I'm not holding my breath, that one of theirs will work!
> I'm fully prepared to fab up some sort of adapter myself.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Steve Liebenow <steven.liebenow at att.net>
> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, B Hower <
> b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Black BOX
> Message-ID: <988403085.2448829.1610751050430 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Bud, Mike,
> As I suspected!
> The CA? 70 Cougars/Mustangs had a smaller version of this box under the
> dash.? It also hooked into the sensor on the speedo cable, and then out to
> a vacuum solenoid which mounted on one of the valve cover bolts.? I HAVE
> seen these valves on Pantera engines.......very original engines....!!!
> The speedo sensor can be used to integrate into some cruise control
> systems....... won't do a thing if not connected to anything......
>
> If you "hose up" your Rancheroo to be a "1969" version you will be
> fine.......take out all of the extra BS and reduce it to? 1) intake supply
> vacuum to thermal switch on intake or thermostat housing 2) ported vacuum
> from carb to thermal switch, and 3) thermal switch to vacuum advance.???
> Simple as you can get and still retain thermal control of idle to be
> thermally controlled......ie stuck in traffic and engine starts warming
> up....thermal switch is supposed to provide full vacuum to dist, to raise
> idle for cooling the engine.? Nothing wrong with that......... no HPs
> robbed!!! :)))
> Cheers!
> Steve
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2021, 1:45:02 PM PST, B Hower <
> b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW
> While working on my 71 Ranchero ( cleaning up wiring under dash --- re
> routing +12V wire to Lentech? AOD overdrive lockout solenoid etc. ) again
> ran across a black box with electrical wires and vacuum lines attached. I
> had run across this box as well as wiring coming from speedometer cable,
> near steering column at floor under carpet. I had always wondered about
> what each did. I didn't know they were connected.I did not pay much
> attention to them, thou Torino I bought in July of 70 has same. So does
> other 70/71 Torinos, 701/2 Falcon, and 70 LTDs I have or had. But this time
> vacuum lines had been chewed in two by mice.. So "need to know" became more
> important .
> What I found out follows:
>
>
> re: what isthis black box for????????
>
> http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
>
> - Quote
>
> PostbyFORDification ? Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:59 pm
>
> Yes, this emission system can betotally removed and you would never know
> it. It is a NOx device that onlyallows the vacuum advance to work under
> certain conditions. When the outsidetemp. is below 60 degrees or so the
> vacuum advance is allowed, when it's abovethat temp, the vacuum advance is
> only allowed when the vehicle is travelingaround 30mph or faster. The
> hardware and wiring to do this varied from '70 -'72but basically you have a
> temp. sensor, a sensor on the trans. and a controlmodule with a solenoid
> valve for the vacuum. For automatics the trans. sensoris a line pressure
> switch and for manuals it's just a mechanical switch thattells when it's in
> high gear. The control module switches the vacuum source onor off to the
> vacuum advance depending on the temp. and/or speed. This emissionsystem is
> a 'tack-on' like most of the first-generation types and is not a partof the
> main wiring harness.
>
> ?
>
> Here's a diagram of the layout of that system:
>
> Electrically Controlled Solenoid Valveto Control Distributor Vacuum Advance
>
> Vacuum box Torino
>
> DOAF-9E718
>
>
> I guess this was not used in a 71 US sold Pantera
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:28:31 AM CST, Steve Liebenow <
> steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:
>
> Bud, Mike,
> Greetings!
>
> In 70+ Ford started doing all sorts of whiz bang stuff to control
> smog..........? This could be something like that.?? I've never seen this
> one, but I never really have paid attention to or worked with the Torino's
> in 71+ other than drivetrain bits.
> Is there a Ford number on the plastic box??? If you can get me that I'll
> look it up in the MPC..... otherwise try a copy of the 71 vacuum diagrams
> or even the shop manual.
> I'm guessing that it is a device to alter the vacuum to the distributor
> during operation.....the electrical connector could be tach feed or from
> some switch on the engine......? advance timing when no engine load, retard
> when under heavy load to prevent pinging and misfiring.
> Steve
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:50:50 PM PST, Mike Drew <
> mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Bud,
> Sorry no clue. Steve will know.?
> Steve?see below then ?reply all? please?
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 12, 2021 at 22:42:23 PST
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: vacuum ?
>
>
>
> ?Hi Mike,
>
> I can't believe I have owned Torinos since 1970 and still do not know what
> this item is nor what its function is.
> Do you have a clue? Photos of 71 Ranchero item.
> See attachment:
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Bud, Mike,
> As I suspected!
> The CA 70 Cougars/Mustangs had a smaller version of this box under the
> dash. It also hooked into the sensor on the speedo cable, and then out
> to a vacuum solenoid which mounted on one of the valve cover bolts. I
> HAVE seen these valves on Pantera engines.......very original
> engines....!!!
> The speedo sensor can be used to integrate into some cruise control
> systems....... won't do a thing if not connected to anything......
> If you "hose up" your Rancheroo to be a "1969" version you will be
> fine.......take out all of the extra BS and reduce it to 1) intake
> supply vacuum to thermal switch on intake or thermostat housing 2)
> ported vacuum from carb to thermal switch, and 3) thermal switch to
> vacuum advance. Simple as you can get and still retain thermal
> control of idle to be thermally controlled......ie stuck in traffic and
> engine starts warming up....thermal switch is supposed to provide full
> vacuum to dist, to raise idle for cooling the engine. Nothing wrong
> with that......... no HPs robbed!!! :)))
> Cheers!
> Steve
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2021, 1:45:02 PM PST, B Hower
> <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> FWIW
> While working on my 71 Ranchero ( cleaning up wiring under dash --- re
> routing +12V wire to Lentech AOD overdrive lockout solenoid etc. )
> again ran across a black box with electrical wires and vacuum lines
> attached. I had run across this box as well as wiring coming from
> speedometer cable, near steering column at floor under carpet. I had
> always wondered about what each did. I didn't know they were connected.
> I did not pay much attention to them, thou Torino I bought in July of
> 70 has same. So does other 70/71 Torinos, 701/2 Falcon, and 70 LTDs I
> have or had. But this time vacuum lines had been chewed in two by
> mice.. So "need to know" became more important .
> What I found out follows:
>
> [1]re: what is this black box for????????
>
> [2]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
> * [3]Quote
>
> [4]Postby [5]FORDification A>> Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:59 pm
>
> Yes, this emission system can be totally removed and you would never
> know it. It is a NOx device that only allows the vacuum advance to work
> under certain conditions. When the outside temp. is below 60 degrees or
> so the vacuum advance is allowed, when it's above that temp, the vacuum
> advance is only allowed when the vehicle is traveling around 30mph or
> faster. The hardware and wiring to do this varied from '70 -'72 but
> basically you have a temp. sensor, a sensor on the trans. and a control
> module with a solenoid valve for the vacuum. For automatics the trans.
> sensor is a line pressure switch and for manuals it's just a mechanical
> switch that tells when it's in high gear. The control module switches
> the vacuum source on or off to the vacuum advance depending on the
> temp. and/or speed. This emission system is a 'tack-on' like most of
> the first-generation types and is not a part of the main wiring
> harness.
>
>
> Here's a diagram of the layout of that system:
>
> Electrically Controlled Solenoid Valve to Control Distributor Vacuum
> Advance
>
> Vacuum box Torino
>
> DOAF-9E718
> Inline image
> I guess this was not used in a 71 US sold Pantera
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:28:31 AM CST, Steve Liebenow
> <steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:
> Bud, Mike,
> Greetings!
> In 70+ Ford started doing all sorts of whiz bang stuff to control
> smog.......... This could be something like that. I've never seen
> this one, but I never really have paid attention to or worked with the
> Torino's in 71+ other than drivetrain bits.
> Is there a Ford number on the plastic box? If you can get me that
> I'll look it up in the MPC..... otherwise try a copy of the 71 vacuum
> diagrams or even the shop manual.
> I'm guessing that it is a device to alter the vacuum to the distributor
> during operation.....the electrical connector could be tach feed or
> from some switch on the engine...... advance timing when no engine
> load, retard when under heavy load to prevent pinging and misfiring.
> Steve
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:50:50 PM PST, Mike Drew
> <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> Bud,
> Sorry no clue. Steve will know.
> Steveasee below then areply alla please?
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 12, 2021 at 22:42:23 PST
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: vacuum ?
>
> i>>?
> Hi Mike,
> I can't believe I have owned Torinos since 1970 and still do not know
> what this item is nor what its function is.
> Do you have a clue? Photos of 71 Ranchero item.
> See attachment:
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
> [cid:RFWsVtIVbITMYu6JG8MQ] [cid:hwisNWw2Zu9l3raNZpXB]
>
> References
>
> 1. http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334#p111361
> 2. http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
> 3.
> http://fordification.com/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=111361&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda
> 4.
> http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111361&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda#p111361
> 5.
> http://fordification.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda
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Oooooo, the plot thickens....
Dennis O'Brien
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A A 1. Re: Backup camera question (sean mundy)
A A 2. NPC leaked AA batteries and solution (Ken Green)
A A 3. NPC Black BOX (B Hower)
A A 4. Re: NPC leaked AA batteries and solution (David)
A A 5.A Backup camera question ([8]dnunn at telus.net)
A A 6. Re: NPC Black BOX (Steve Liebenow)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 19:45:26 +0000
From: sean mundy <[9]seanmundy at hotmail.com>
To: "[10]dnunn at telus.net" <[11]dnunn at telus.net>,
A A A A "[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Backup camera question
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Will it mount though to the Pantera existing mount or you have to
make something?
From: [15]dnunn at telus.net<mailto:[16]dnunn at telus.net>
Sent: ?Thursday?, ?January? ?14?, ?2021 ?10?:?56? ?AM
To:
[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[18]detomaso at server.deto
masolist.com>
Further to my previous message; I see they have a new model called
the "T9",
without the dash cam, that's much cheaper ($175.99).
-------------------------------------------------------
I recently purchased an AutoVox V5 Pro rear view mirror/camera. I
bought it
from Amazon on Black Friday for 30% off! I learned about this item
from a
guy who builds Superlite SLC's, which have no rear window at all. It
is a
permanently installed rear view mirror, with built-in dash cam, that
replaces your existing rear view mirror. The rear camera stays on
all the
time but when you shift into reverse, distance and guide lines
appear. This
would be great for Pantera owners with high rise intake manifolds.
You can
see it in the YouTube video below, between 0:45 and 1:15. The one in
the
video is the older model. The new model comes with a better (Sony)
rear view
camera.
[19]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMha8bbmjxc
[20]https://www.amazon.com/AUTO-VOX-Anti-Glare-9-35Full-Laminated-Tr
acking/dp/B0
895NMDKT
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A A Will it mount though to the Pantera existing mount or you have
to make
A A something?
A A From: [1][21]dnunn at telus.net
A A Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 10:56 AM
A A To: [2][22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A Further to my previous message; I see they have a new model
called the
A A "T9",
A A without the dash cam, that's much cheaper ($175.99).
A A -------------------------------------------------------
A A I recently purchased an AutoVox V5 Pro rear view mirror/camera.
I
A A bought it
A A from Amazon on Black Friday for 30% off! I learned about this
item from
A A a
A A guy who builds Superlite SLC's, which have no rear window at
all. It is
A A a
A A permanently installed rear view mirror, with built-in dash cam,
that
A A replaces your existing rear view mirror. The rear camera stays
on all
A A the
A A time but when you shift into reverse, distance and guide lines
appear.
A A This
A A would be great for Pantera owners with high rise intake
manifolds. You
A A can
A A see it in the YouTube video below, between 0:45 and 1:15. The
one in
A A the
A A video is the older model. The new model comes with a better
(Sony) rear
A A view
A A camera.
A A [23]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMha8bbmjxc
A
A [24]https://www.amazon.com/AUTO-VOX-Anti-Glare-9-35Full-Laminated-
Tracking/
A A dp/B0
A A 895NMDKT
References
A A 1. mailto:[25]dnunn at telus.net
A A 2. mailto:[26]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 20:00:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <[27]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Detomaso List <[28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC leaked AA batteries and solution
Message-ID: <[29]1754694980.1409407.1610740835582 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I have a $150 inspection light that has been useful:
Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color
LCD, 941199 - Walmart.com
|
|
|
| $169.99 |A |
A |
A |
|
|A |
Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color
LCD, 9...
Free 2-day shipping. Buy Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection
Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD, 941199 at Walmar...
A |
A |
A |
A that quit working.? It has a battery drawer with 4 AA batteries.?
I pulled the drawer out and some of the batteries had leaked.? I am
seeing leaking AA and AAA batteries more than I ever recall in the
past?
Brushed off the corrosion and replaced the batteries, looked OK,
still didn't work.
Set the empty battery drawer in a backing soda and water mix for
maybe 3 hours, didn't look different, but the light works now.? I
guess a thin layer of corrosion was enough to keep it from working.?
Saved $150.
Ken
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A A I have a $150 inspection light that has been useful:
A A [1]Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch
Color
A A LCD, 941199 - Walmart.com
A A $169.99
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [walmart.png]
A Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope, Inspection Camera, 2.4-Inch Color
LCD, 9...
A A A Free 2-day shipping. Buy Powerbuilt Digital Video Scope,
Inspection
A A A A A A A A Camera, 2.4-Inch Color LCD, 941199 at
Walmar...
A A that quit working.A It has a battery drawer with 4 AA
batteries.
A A I pulled the drawer out and some of the batteries had leaked.A
I am
A A seeing leaking AA and AAA batteries more than I ever recall in
the
A A past?
A A Brushed off the corrosion and replaced the batteries, looked
OK, still
A A didn't work.
A A Set the empty battery drawer in a backing soda and water mix
for maybe
A A 3 hours, didn't look different, but the light works now.A I
guess a
A A thin layer of corrosion was enough to keep it from working.A
Saved
A A $150.
A A Ken
References
A A Visible links
A A 1.
[30]https://www.walmart.com/ip/Powerbuilt-Digital-Video-Scope-Inspec
tion-Camera-2-4-Inch-Color-LCD-941199/529283308
A A Hidden links:
A A 3.
[31]https://www.walmart.com/ip/Powerbuilt-Digital-Video-Scope-Inspec
tion-Camera-2-4-Inch-Color-LCD-941199/529283308
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 21:44:53 +0000 (UTC)
From: B Hower <[32]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
To: Steve Liebenow <[33]steven.liebenow at att.net>, Mike Drew
A A A A <[34]mikeldrew at aol.com>,A DeTomaso List
<[35]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Black BOX
Message-ID: <[36]735864508.2436252.1610747093477 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
FWIW
While working on my 71 Ranchero ( cleaning up wiring under dash ---
re routing +12V wire to Lentech? AOD overdrive lockout solenoid etc.
) again ran across a black box with electrical wires and vacuum
lines attached. I had run across this box as well as wiring coming
from speedometer cable, near steering column at floor under carpet.
I had always wondered about what each did. I didn't know they were
connected.I did not pay much attention to them, thou Torino I bought
in July of 70 has same. So does other 70/71 Torinos, 701/2 Falcon,
and 70 LTDs I have or had. But this time vacuum lines had been
chewed in two by mice.. So "need to know" became more important .
What I found out follows:
re: what isthis black box for????????
[37]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
A A - Quote
PostbyFORDification ? Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:59 pm
Yes, this emission system can betotally removed and you would never
know it. It is a NOx device that onlyallows the vacuum advance to
work under certain conditions. When the outsidetemp. is below 60
degrees or so the vacuum advance is allowed, when it's abovethat
temp, the vacuum advance is only allowed when the vehicle is
travelingaround 30mph or faster. The hardware and wiring to do this
varied from '70 -'72but basically you have a temp. sensor, a sensor
on the trans. and a controlmodule with a solenoid valve for the
vacuum. For automatics the trans. sensoris a line pressure switch
and for manuals it's just a mechanical switch thattells when it's in
high gear. The control module switches the vacuum source onor off to
the vacuum advance depending on the temp. and/or speed. This
emissionsystem is a 'tack-on' like most of the first-generation
types and is not a partof the main wiring harness.
?
Here's a diagram of the layout of that system:
Electrically Controlled Solenoid Valveto Control Distributor Vacuum
Advance
Vacuum box Torino
DOAF-9E718
I guess this was not used in a 71 US sold Pantera
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be ! )
A A On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:28:31 AM CST, Steve
Liebenow <[38]steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:A
A Bud, Mike,
Greetings!
In 70+ Ford started doing all sorts of whiz bang stuff to control
smog..........? This could be something like that.?? I've never seen
this one, but I never really have paid attention to or worked with
the Torino's in 71+ other than drivetrain bits.
Is there a Ford number on the plastic box??? If you can get me that
I'll look it up in the MPC..... otherwise try a copy of the 71
vacuum diagrams or even the shop manual.
I'm guessing that it is a device to alter the vacuum to the
distributor during operation.....the electrical connector could be
tach feed or from some switch on the engine......? advance timing
when no engine load, retard when under heavy load to prevent pinging
and misfiring.
Steve
A A On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:50:50 PM PST, Mike Drew
<[39]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:A
A Bud,
Sorry no clue. Steve will know.?
Steve?see below then ?reply all? please?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
From: B Hower <[40]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
Date: January 12, 2021 at 22:42:23 PST
To: Mike Drew <[41]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Subject: vacuum ?
?Hi Mike,
I can't believe I have owned Torinos since 1970 and still do not
know what this item is nor what its function is.
Do you have a clue? Photos of 71 Ranchero item.
See attachment:
Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be ! )
-------------- next part --------------
A A FWIW
A A While working on my 71 Ranchero ( cleaning up wiring under dash
--- re
A A routing +12V wire to LentechA AOD overdrive lockout solenoid
etc. )
A A again ran across a black box with electrical wires and vacuum
lines
A A attached. I had run across this box as well as wiring coming
from
A A speedometer cable, near steering column at floor under carpet.
I had
A A always wondered about what each did. I didn't know they were
connected.
A A I did not pay much attention to them, thou Torino I bought in
July of
A A 70 has same. So does other 70/71 Torinos, 701/2 Falcon, and 70
LTDs I
A A have or had. But this time vacuum lines had been chewed in two
by
A A mice.. So "need to know" became more important .
A A What I found out follows:
A A [1]re: what is this black box for????????
A A [2][42]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
A A A * [3]Quote
A A [4]Postby [5]FORDification A>> Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:59 pm
A A Yes, this emission system can be totally removed and you would
never
A A know it. It is a NOx device that only allows the vacuum advance
to work
A A under certain conditions. When the outside temp. is below 60
degrees or
A A so the vacuum advance is allowed, when it's above that temp,
the vacuum
A A advance is only allowed when the vehicle is traveling around
30mph or
A A faster. The hardware and wiring to do this varied from '70 -'72
but
A A basically you have a temp. sensor, a sensor on the trans. and a
control
A A module with a solenoid valve for the vacuum. For automatics the
trans.
A A sensor is a line pressure switch and for manuals it's just a
mechanical
A A switch that tells when it's in high gear. The control module
switches
A A the vacuum source on or off to the vacuum advance depending on
the
A A temp. and/or speed. This emission system is a 'tack-on' like
most of
A A the first-generation types and is not a part of the main wiring
A A harness.
A A Here's a diagram of the layout of that system:
A A Electrically Controlled Solenoid Valve to Control Distributor
Vacuum
A A Advance
A A Vacuum box Torino
A A DOAF-9E718
A A Inline image
A A I guess this was not used in a 71 US sold Pantera
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A A On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:28:31 AM CST, Steve Liebenow
A A <[43]steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:
A A Bud, Mike,
A A Greetings!
A A In 70+ Ford started doing all sorts of whiz bang stuff to
control
A A smog..........A This could be something like that.A A I've
never seen
A A this one, but I never really have paid attention to or worked
with the
A A Torino's in 71+ other than drivetrain bits.
A A Is there a Ford number on the plastic box?A A If you can get
me that
A A I'll look it up in the MPC..... otherwise try a copy of the 71
vacuum
A A diagrams or even the shop manual.
A A I'm guessing that it is a device to alter the vacuum to the
distributor
A A during operation.....the electrical connector could be tach
feed or
A A from some switch on the engine......A advance timing when no
engine
A A load, retard when under heavy load to prevent pinging and
misfiring.
A A Steve
A A On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:50:50 PM PST, Mike Drew
A A <[44]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
A A Bud,
A A Sorry no clue. Steve will know.
A A Steveasee below then areply alla please?
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPad
A A Begin forwarded message:
A A From: B Hower <[45]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
A A Date: January 12, 2021 at 22:42:23 PST
A A To: Mike Drew <[46]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A Subject: vacuum ?
A A i>>?
A A Hi Mike,
A A I can't believe I have owned Torinos since 1970 and still do
not know
A A what this item is nor what its function is.
A A Do you have a clue? Photos of 71 Ranchero item.
A A See attachment:
A A Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A A [cid:l8ZIohxf6I2nV76P6HTG] [cid:Qxjre7usnizMAum9UUxB]
References
A A 1.
[47]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334#p111361
A A 2. [48]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
A A 3.
[49]http://fordification.com/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=1113
61&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda
A A 4.
[50]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111361&sid=082e68
bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda#p111361
A A 5.
[51]http://fordification.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u
=2&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:48:43 -0600
From: David <[55]david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Ken Green <[56]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: Detomaso List <[57]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC leaked AA batteries and solution
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That is why I only use Lithium batteries.
Never had one leak.
David Finley
> On Jan 15, 2021, at 2:00 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
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>A A that quit working.A It has a battery drawer with 4 AA
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>A A I pulled the drawer out and some of the batteries had
leaked.A I am
>A A seeing leaking AA and AAA batteries more than I ever recall in
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>A A past?
>A A Brushed off the corrosion and replaced the batteries, looked
OK, still
>A A didn't work.
>A A Set the empty battery drawer in a backing soda and water mix
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:59:09 -0800
From: <[64]dnunn at telus.net>
To: <[65]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso]A Backup camera question
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AutoVox provides 4 adapters with the unit and if one of those
doesn't work,
they have dozens available for less common applications. That being
said,
I'm not holding my breath, that one of theirs will work! I'm fully
prepared
to fab up some sort of adapter myself.A
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A A AutoVox provides 4 adapters with the unit and if one of those
doesn't
A A work, they have dozens available for less common applications.
That
A A being said, I'm not holding my breath, that one of theirs will
work!
A A I'm fully prepared to fab up some sort of adapter myself.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 22:50:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: Steve Liebenow <[67]steven.liebenow at att.net>
To: Mike Drew <[68]mikeldrew at aol.com>,A DeTomaso List
A A A A <[69]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,A B Hower
<[70]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Black BOX
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A Bud, Mike,
As I suspected!
The CA? 70 Cougars/Mustangs had a smaller version of this box under
the dash.? It also hooked into the sensor on the speedo cable, and
then out to a vacuum solenoid which mounted on one of the valve
cover bolts.? I HAVE seen these valves on Pantera engines.......very
original engines....!!!
The speedo sensor can be used to integrate into some cruise control
systems....... won't do a thing if not connected to anything......
If you "hose up" your Rancheroo to be a "1969" version you will be
fine.......take out all of the extra BS and reduce it to? 1) intake
supply vacuum to thermal switch on intake or thermostat housing 2)
ported vacuum from carb to thermal switch, and 3) thermal switch to
vacuum advance.??? Simple as you can get and still retain thermal
control of idle to be thermally controlled......ie stuck in traffic
and engine starts warming up....thermal switch is supposed to
provide full vacuum to dist, to raise idle for cooling the engine.?
Nothing wrong with that......... no HPs robbed!!! :)))
Cheers!
Steve
A A On Friday, January 15, 2021, 1:45:02 PM PST, B Hower
<[72]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:A
A FWIW
While working on my 71 Ranchero ( cleaning up wiring under dash ---
re routing +12V wire to Lentech? AOD overdrive lockout solenoid etc.
) again ran across a black box with electrical wires and vacuum
lines attached. I had run across this box as well as wiring coming
from speedometer cable, near steering column at floor under carpet.
I had always wondered about what each did. I didn't know they were
connected.I did not pay much attention to them, thou Torino I bought
in July of 70 has same. So does other 70/71 Torinos, 701/2 Falcon,
and 70 LTDs I have or had. But this time vacuum lines had been
chewed in two by mice.. So "need to know" became more important .
What I found out follows:
re: what isthis black box for????????
[73]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
A A - Quote
PostbyFORDification ? Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:59 pm
Yes, this emission system can betotally removed and you would never
know it. It is a NOx device that onlyallows the vacuum advance to
work under certain conditions. When the outsidetemp. is below 60
degrees or so the vacuum advance is allowed, when it's abovethat
temp, the vacuum advance is only allowed when the vehicle is
travelingaround 30mph or faster. The hardware and wiring to do this
varied from '70 -'72but basically you have a temp. sensor, a sensor
on the trans. and a controlmodule with a solenoid valve for the
vacuum. For automatics the trans. sensoris a line pressure switch
and for manuals it's just a mechanical switch thattells when it's in
high gear. The control module switches the vacuum source onor off to
the vacuum advance depending on the temp. and/or speed. This
emissionsystem is a 'tack-on' like most of the first-generation
types and is not a partof the main wiring harness.
?
Here's a diagram of the layout of that system:
Electrically Controlled Solenoid Valveto Control Distributor Vacuum
Advance
Vacuum box Torino
DOAF-9E718
I guess this was not used in a 71 US sold Pantera
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be ! )
A A On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:28:31 AM CST, Steve
Liebenow <[74]steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:A
A Bud, Mike,
Greetings!
In 70+ Ford started doing all sorts of whiz bang stuff to control
smog..........? This could be something like that.?? I've never seen
this one, but I never really have paid attention to or worked with
the Torino's in 71+ other than drivetrain bits.
Is there a Ford number on the plastic box??? If you can get me that
I'll look it up in the MPC..... otherwise try a copy of the 71
vacuum diagrams or even the shop manual.
I'm guessing that it is a device to alter the vacuum to the
distributor during operation.....the electrical connector could be
tach feed or from some switch on the engine......? advance timing
when no engine load, retard when under heavy load to prevent pinging
and misfiring.
Steve
A A On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:50:50 PM PST, Mike Drew
<[75]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:A
A Bud,
Sorry no clue. Steve will know.?
Steve?see below then ?reply all? please?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
From: B Hower <[76]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
Date: January 12, 2021 at 22:42:23 PST
To: Mike Drew <[77]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Subject: vacuum ?
?Hi Mike,
I can't believe I have owned Torinos since 1970 and still do not
know what this item is nor what its function is.
Do you have a clue? Photos of 71 Ranchero item.
See attachment:
Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be ! )
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A A Bud, Mike,
A A As I suspected!
A A The CAA 70 Cougars/Mustangs had a smaller version of this box
under the
A A dash.A It also hooked into the sensor on the speedo cable, and
then out
A A to a vacuum solenoid which mounted on one of the valve cover
bolts.A I
A A HAVE seen these valves on Pantera engines.......very original
A A engines....!!!
A A The speedo sensor can be used to integrate into some cruise
control
A A systems....... won't do a thing if not connected to
anything......
A A If you "hose up" your Rancheroo to be a "1969" version you will
be
A A fine.......take out all of the extra BS and reduce it toA 1)
intake
A A supply vacuum to thermal switch on intake or thermostat housing
2)
A A ported vacuum from carb to thermal switch, and 3) thermal
switch to
A A vacuum advance.A A Simple as you can get and still retain
thermal
A A control of idle to be thermally controlled......ie stuck in
traffic and
A A engine starts warming up....thermal switch is supposed to
provide full
A A vacuum to dist, to raise idle for cooling the engine.A Nothing
wrong
A A with that......... no HPs robbed!!! :)))
A A Cheers!
A A Steve
A A On Friday, January 15, 2021, 1:45:02 PM PST, B Hower
A A <[78]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> wrote:
A A FWIW
A A While working on my 71 Ranchero ( cleaning up wiring under dash
--- re
A A routing +12V wire to LentechA AOD overdrive lockout solenoid
etc. )
A A again ran across a black box with electrical wires and vacuum
lines
A A attached. I had run across this box as well as wiring coming
from
A A speedometer cable, near steering column at floor under carpet.
I had
A A always wondered about what each did. I didn't know they were
connected.
A A I did not pay much attention to them, thou Torino I bought in
July of
A A 70 has same. So does other 70/71 Torinos, 701/2 Falcon, and 70
LTDs I
A A have or had. But this time vacuum lines had been chewed in two
by
A A mice.. So "need to know" became more important .
A A What I found out follows:
A A [1]re: what is this black box for????????
A A [2][79]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
A A A * [3]Quote
A A [4]Postby [5]FORDification A>> Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:59 pm
A A Yes, this emission system can be totally removed and you would
never
A A know it. It is a NOx device that only allows the vacuum advance
to work
A A under certain conditions. When the outside temp. is below 60
degrees or
A A so the vacuum advance is allowed, when it's above that temp,
the vacuum
A A advance is only allowed when the vehicle is traveling around
30mph or
A A faster. The hardware and wiring to do this varied from '70 -'72
but
A A basically you have a temp. sensor, a sensor on the trans. and a
control
A A module with a solenoid valve for the vacuum. For automatics the
trans.
A A sensor is a line pressure switch and for manuals it's just a
mechanical
A A switch that tells when it's in high gear. The control module
switches
A A the vacuum source on or off to the vacuum advance depending on
the
A A temp. and/or speed. This emission system is a 'tack-on' like
most of
A A the first-generation types and is not a part of the main wiring
A A harness.
A A Here's a diagram of the layout of that system:
A A Electrically Controlled Solenoid Valve to Control Distributor
Vacuum
A A Advance
A A Vacuum box Torino
A A DOAF-9E718
A A Inline image
A A I guess this was not used in a 71 US sold Pantera
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A A On Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 11:28:31 AM CST, Steve Liebenow
A A <[80]steven.liebenow at att.net> wrote:
A A Bud, Mike,
A A Greetings!
A A In 70+ Ford started doing all sorts of whiz bang stuff to
control
A A smog..........A This could be something like that.A A I've
never seen
A A this one, but I never really have paid attention to or worked
with the
A A Torino's in 71+ other than drivetrain bits.
A A Is there a Ford number on the plastic box?A A If you can get
me that
A A I'll look it up in the MPC..... otherwise try a copy of the 71
vacuum
A A diagrams or even the shop manual.
A A I'm guessing that it is a device to alter the vacuum to the
distributor
A A during operation.....the electrical connector could be tach
feed or
A A from some switch on the engine......A advance timing when no
engine
A A load, retard when under heavy load to prevent pinging and
misfiring.
A A Steve
A A On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:50:50 PM PST, Mike Drew
A A <[81]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
A A Bud,
A A Sorry no clue. Steve will know.
A A Steveasee below then areply alla please?
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPad
A A Begin forwarded message:
A A From: B Hower <[82]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
A A Date: January 12, 2021 at 22:42:23 PST
A A To: Mike Drew <[83]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A Subject: vacuum ?
A A i>>?
A A Hi Mike,
A A I can't believe I have owned Torinos since 1970 and still do
not know
A A what this item is nor what its function is.
A A Do you have a clue? Photos of 71 Ranchero item.
A A See attachment:
A A Thanks in advance for any help you can give,
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A A [cid:RFWsVtIVbITMYu6JG8MQ] [cid:hwisNWw2Zu9l3raNZpXB]
References
A A 1.
[84]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334#p111361
A A 2. [85]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13334
A A 3.
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61&sid=082e68bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda
A A 4.
[87]http://fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111361&sid=082e68
bf98c07c24c19a59a70ce7feda#p111361
A A 5.
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