[DeTomaso] NPC: Maserati Kyalami - Rebadged/Repowered Longchamp?
Larry Weston
lplugw at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 14 15:53:22 EST 2021
I have a Maserati Quattroport front suspension assembly. I acquired it to look at swapping the 1.25" thick Maser rotors and calipers onto my Pantera. It is amazing how very similar it is to the Pantera suspension. Obviously designed by the same person(s). Several small differences made the swap impractical, the weight (65 lbs!) also being a major consideration.
I didn't recall anything special about the upper ball joints but I thought I'd take another look for these 'toothed' retainers and see if I might retrofit them to my Pantera.
I can be see without any doubt that both the top and bottom ball joints are identical between the Maser and the DeTomaso, including the means of clamping the top ball joint. There are no 'teeth' on the Maserati assembly, lots of shims notched for easy installation, but otherwise camber is maintained the same way on each.
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 2:22 PM
To: Roland Jaeckel <willibillie at live.de>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Maserati Kyalami - Rebadged/Repowered Longchamp?
Roland,
You definitely know more than all the rest of us put together! Thanks!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:59, Roland Jaeckel <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
>
> Sorry to disturb, as an (former)owner and one of the rare, that wrenchend on all four cars, i have to say, that we are talking about absolutely different cars. First of all Maserati modified the chassis and DeTomaso adoptet ist for the Longchamp and the Deauville. The Quattroporte uses a longer chassis, than the Deauville. The Maserati engeneers where so clever to make the main driveshaft in two parts with a middle bearing. That eleminates the vibrations on the rear axle nearly 100%. All the electrical system in the Maserati is engeneered by Jaeger in France and not Veglia from Italy. Wiring loom, conectors etc. all ae different. Little example for the Maserati cleverness, all Pantera, Longchamp and Deauville owners struggle with the unwilled moving of the upper balljoints. US vendors came up with an adapter on the a-arms, Maserati used shims with teeth toeleminate the movement. On the more heavier Quattroporte it was never ever a problem. There are so many uncounted differnces between these cars, that not many people know of. Driving those is like seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger dancing compared to the dancing of Fred Astaire....
>
>> Am 11.01.2021 um 18:28 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Yup! When De Tomaso bought Maserati he needed to come up with new models to bring to market, on the cheap.
>>
>> He turned to Pietro Frua to style a new car, which would be powered by the quad-cam Maserati V8 but be built on the unmodified Lomgchamp chassis. So for a fraction of the investment normally needed to produce a new car, Maserati soon had an all-new model.
>>
>> In a similar manner, he needed to bring a new Quattroporte to market, so he had Guigiaro pencil a new body design that would be laid atop an unmodified Deauville chassis.
>>
>> Today, owners of Longchamps and Deauvilles often turn to Maserati parts suppliers for mechanical components to keep their cars running.
>>
>> Fun fact: Tom Tjaarda and his wife lived in a very nice apartment that they bought from Pietro Frua, which was formerly his home. Small world indeed!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 07:22, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, maybe I'm just late to the party here but I didn't realize that
>>> Maserati released their own version of the Longchamp in the Kyalami.
>>> Take a look at this BaT auction, there is no mistaking the Longchamp
>>> lines. It does have the quad-cam Maser motor rather than the
>>> Cleveland.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Thomas
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
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I have a Maserati Quattroport front suspension assembly. I acquired it
to look at swapping the 1.25" thick Maser rotors and calipers onto my
Pantera. It is amazing how very similar it is to the Pantera
suspension. Obviously designed by the same person(s). Several small
differences made the swap impractical, the weight (65 lbs!) also being
a major consideration.
I didn't recall anything special about the upper ball joints but I
thought I'd take another look for these 'toothed' retainers and see if
I might retrofit them to my Pantera.
I can be see without any doubt that both the top and bottom ball joints
are identical between the Maser and the DeTomaso, including the means
of clamping the top ball joint. There are no 'teeth' on the Maserati
assembly, lots of shims notched for easy installation, but otherwise
camber is maintained the same way on each.
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 2:22 PM
To: Roland Jaeckel <willibillie at live.de>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Maserati Kyalami - Rebadged/Repowered
Longchamp?
Roland,
You definitely know more than all the rest of us put together! Thanks!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 11, 2021, at 10:59, Roland Jaeckel <willibillie at live.de>
wrote:
>
> Sorry to disturb, as an (former)owner and one of the rare, that
wrenchend on all four cars, i have to say, that we are talking about
absolutely different cars. First of all Maserati modified the chassis
and DeTomaso adoptet ist for the Longchamp and the Deauville. The
Quattroporte uses a longer chassis, than the Deauville. The Maserati
engeneers where so clever to make the main driveshaft in two parts with
a middle bearing. That eleminates the vibrations on the rear axle
nearly 100%. All the electrical system in the Maserati is engeneered by
Jaeger in France and not Veglia from Italy. Wiring loom, conectors etc.
all ae different. Little example for the Maserati cleverness, all
Pantera, Longchamp and Deauville owners struggle with the unwilled
moving of the upper balljoints. US vendors came up with an adapter on
the a-arms, Maserati used shims with teeth toeleminate the movement. On
the more heavier Quattroporte it was never ever a problem. There are so
many uncounted differnces between these cars, that not many people know
of. Driving those is like seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger dancing compared
to the dancing of Fred Astaire....
>
>> Am 11.01.2021 um 18:28 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Yup! When De Tomaso bought Maserati he needed to come up with new
models to bring to market, on the cheap.
>>
>> He turned to Pietro Frua to style a new car, which would be powered
by the quad-cam Maserati V8 but be built on the unmodified Lomgchamp
chassis. So for a fraction of the investment normally needed to produce
a new car, Maserati soon had an all-new model.
>>
>> In a similar manner, he needed to bring a new Quattroporte to
market, so he had Guigiaro pencil a new body design that would be laid
atop an unmodified Deauville chassis.
>>
>> Today, owners of Longchamps and Deauvilles often turn to Maserati
parts suppliers for mechanical components to keep their cars running.
>>
>> Fun fact: Tom Tjaarda and his wife lived in a very nice apartment
that they bought from Pietro Frua, which was formerly his home. Small
world indeed!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 07:22, Mike & Elizabeth
<mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, maybe I'm just late to the party here but I didn't realize
that
>>> Maserati released their own version of the Longchamp in the
Kyalami.
>>> Take a look at this BaT auction, there is no mistaking the
Longchamp
>>> lines. It does have the quad-cam Maser motor rather than the
>>> Cleveland.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Thomas
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [1]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-maserati-kyalami/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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