[DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom

Steve Lisa stevelisa at patentit.com
Fri Feb 5 14:19:11 EST 2021


All,

Below is a link to a shared Google folder of some images of the dropped
floors on SN5533.  I apologize for the mess, we are in the middle of a
complete teardown and prep on the Pantera (and the Panoz in the background,
post-Historic 24 at Daytona).  So, she is certainly not showroom clean.
Still, you can see the triangular drop to the rear.  The outside and inside
both were welded, and the frames strengthened/gusseted, and then sealed.

Rather than just bolting the seats and belts to the floor, we added a
square subframe under the floor for more strength as well. The under-floor
seat supports are obviously just hanging down in the images because the
seats aren't installed.  The front image looking back shows how low the
back of the seats are relative to the frame.  So far, we still have our
butts intact, and we haven't bottomed yet.

Google file:

   - https://photos.app.goo.gl/eJPSr1bajfoKkBdt8

I will update as we get closer to done.
Regards,

Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 11:10 AM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

>    Christer,
>
>    The difference between my '74L and GT5 is right around 50mm from floor
>    to roof (difficult to get an exact difference as the '74 has no carpet
>    in it currently and the GT5 is on piece carpet that wraps up over the
>    inner rocker and is glued)
>
>    Julian
>      __________________________________________________________________
>
>    From: Christer Eriksson <unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>
>    Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 10:15 AM
>    To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>    Cc: Dave Londry <davel at trguys.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>    <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom
>
>    Ok, thanks Julian
>    I realy need some more headspace! My new carbon Recaro seats are more
>    firm then my previous seats and it's no room for a nice hairdo A flat
>    floor would be nice also for the downforce!
>    /Christer
>    tors 4 feb. 2021 kl. 18:19 skrev Julian Kift
>    <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
>
>    Christer,
>    I have never physically measured the two, but can do so later this
>    evening, I would guess at least 50mm, maybe as much as 75mm.
>    Julian
>      __________________________________________________________________
>
>    From: Christer Eriksson <[2]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>
>    Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 4:46 AM
>
>    To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>    Cc: Dave Londry <[4]davel at trguys.com>;
>    [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>    <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom
>
>    Thanks Julian,
>    interesting to see the difference! How much "headspace" differs between
>    the earlier models compared to this?
>    BR/Christer
>    Den ons 3 feb. 2021 kl 19:22 skrev Julian Kift
>    <[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
>
>    Full size sent to Christer, here's what I have in reduced resolution
>    for the rest of the group.
>    Julian
>    [cid:1776e3bcf44632aa0fa1] [cid:1776e3bcf4418c3c5db2]
>    [cid:1776e3bcf44254e4adc3]
>      __________________________________________________________________
>
>    From: Christer Eriksson <[8]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>
>    Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 10:07 AM
>    To: Julian Kift <[9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>    Cc: Dave Londry <[10]davel at trguys.com>;
>    [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>    <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom
>
>    Do anyone have pictures of the 9000 series floorpan?
>    BR Christer #2783
>    ons 3 feb. 2021 kl. 16:48 skrev Julian Kift
>    <[13]julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
>
>         The vendors sell varying degrees of drop from 1 to 3" if I
>      recall, many
>         of these 'pans' are exactly that, a replacement pan to be welded
>      in
>         which also drops the front of the seat pan and depending on your
>      seat
>         style can restrict seat travel forward.
>         The triangular insert method avoids the forward seat movement
>         restriction above, but does only really lower the rear of the
>      seat i.e.
>         adjust rake to lie back more.
>         Significantly more work, but a more complete solution is to
>      replace the
>         entire floor pan lowered like the later 9000 series cars. Of
>      course,
>         one can slope the pan starting much more forward and remove the
>      cross
>         brace mid-way. Add some bead rolled ribs to strengthen the pan
>      and/or
>         your own lowered cross brace.
>         Julian
>
>      __________________________________________________________________
>         From: DeTomaso <[14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>      behalf of
>         Dave Londry <[15]davel at trguys.com>
>         Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 6:23 PM
>         To: [16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>      <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>         Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom
>         pantera floor-pan lowering kit - Google Search
>
>      <[1][18]https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pantera
>      +floor-
>
>      pan+lowering+kit&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdwI2U08zuAhUOuZ4KHQeRBDoQjJkEegQIB
>      xAB
>         &biw=1180&bih=967>
>
>      [2][19]https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pantera+
>      floor-p
>
>      an+lowering+kit&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdwI2U08zuAhUOuZ4KHQeRBDoQjJkEegQIBx
>      AB
>         Lots of info here.
>         Dave
>         On 2021-02-02 6:15 p.m., B Hower via DeTomaso wrote:
>         >     3400 has lowered floor ... level and driver and passenger
>      side
>         ... I
>         >     would think that sloping floor and tilting seat would
>      restrict
>         rear
>         >     travel of seat adjustment ...
>         >     Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
>      may
>         not be
>         >     ! )
>         >
>         >     On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, 8:07:02 PM CST, Pantdino via
>         DeTomaso
>         >     <[20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>         >       I'm sure someone will post with more details or a
>      reference,
>         but my
>         >       recollection is that you don't want to lower the entire
>      floor
>         but
>         >       rather leave the forward portion as it is and angle the
>      floor
>         down as
>         >       it goes rearward. You cut the floor on the sides and
>      rear, bend
>         it
>         >       down, and weld in triangular pieces to support it that
>      way.
>         This
>         >     lowers
>         >       and tilts the seat bottom.  Too much and you'll hit on
>      every
>         speed
>         >     bump
>         >       you come across.
>         >       Jim
>         >       -----Original Message-----
>         >       From: Doug Braun <[1][21]doug351c at gmail.com>
>         >       To: [2][22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>         >       Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2021 5:57 pm
>         >       Subject: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom
>         >         Anyone recall a forum posting or article on lowering
>      the
>         floor
>         >     pans.
>         >         My search has come up empty.
>         >         Doug Braun
>         >         Blue 73L #5505
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>         >     1. [3]mailto:[29]doug351c at gmail.com
>         >     2. [4]mailto:[30]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>         >     3. [5]mailto:[31]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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>      References
>         1.
>      [40]https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pantera+flo
>      or-pan+lowering+kit&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdwI2U08zuAhUOuZ4KHQeRBDoQjJkEeg
>      QIBxAB&biw=1180&bih=967
>         2.
>      [41]https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pantera+flo
>      or-pan+lowering+kit&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdwI2U08zuAhUOuZ4KHQeRBDoQjJkEeg
>      QIBxAB
>         3. mailto:[42]doug351c at gmail.com
>         4. mailto:[43]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>         5. mailto:[44]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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>    1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>    2. mailto:unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com
>    3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>    4. mailto:davel at trguys.com
>    5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>    6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>    7. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>    8. mailto:unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com
>    9. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   10. mailto:davel at trguys.com
>   11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   13. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   14. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
>   15. mailto:davel at trguys.com
>   16. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   17. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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>   19. https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pantera+floor-p
>   20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   21. mailto:doug351c at gmail.com
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>   40.
> https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pantera+floor-pan+lowering+kit&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdwI2U08zuAhUOuZ4KHQeRBDoQjJkEegQIBxAB&biw=1180&bih=967
>   41.
> https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pantera+floor-pan+lowering+kit&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdwI2U08zuAhUOuZ4KHQeRBDoQjJkEegQIBxAB
>   42. mailto:doug351c at gmail.com
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   All,A
   Below is a link to a shared Google folder of some imagesA of the
   dropped floors on SN5533.A  I apologize for the mess, we are in the
   middle of a complete teardown and prep on the Pantera (and the Panoz in
   the background, post-Historic 24 at Daytona).A  So, she is certainly
   not showroom clean.A  Still, you can see the triangular drop to the
   rear.A  The outside and inside both were welded, and the frames
   strengthened/gusseted, and then sealed.A A
   Rather than just bolting the seats and belts to the floor, we added a
   square subframe under the floor for more strength as well. The
   under-floor seat supports are obviously just hanging down in the images
   because the seats aren'tA installed.A  The front image looking back
   shows how low the back of the seats are relative to the frame.A  So
   far, we still have our butts intact, and we haven't bottomed yet.A A
   Google file:
     * [1]https://photos.app.goo.gl/eJPSr1bajfoKkBdt8

   I will update as we get closer to done.
   Regards,A
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
   Direct: 480-442-0297
   [2]www.PatentIt.com
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   On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 11:10 AM Julian Kift
   <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

     A  A Christer,
     A  A The difference between my '74L and GT5 is right around 50mm
     from floor
     A  A to roof (difficult to get an exact difference as the '74 has no
     carpet
     A  A in it currently and the GT5 is on piece carpet that wraps up
     over the
     A  A inner rocker and is glued)
     A  A Julian
     A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A From: Christer Eriksson <[4]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>
     A  A Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 10:15 AM
     A  A To: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A Cc: Dave Londry <[6]davel at trguys.com>;
     [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom
     A  A Ok, thanks Julian
     A  A I realy need some more headspace! My new carbon Recaro seats
     are more
     A  A firm then my previous seats and it's no room for a nice hairdo
     A flat
     A  A floor would be nice also for the downforce!
     A  A /Christer
     A  A tors 4 feb. 2021 kl. 18:19 skrev Julian Kift
     A  A <[1][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
     A  A Christer,
     A  A I have never physically measured the two, but can do so later
     this
     A  A evening, I would guess at least 50mm, maybe as much as 75mm.
     A  A Julian
     A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A From: Christer Eriksson <[2][10]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>
     A  A Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 4:46 AM
     A  A To: Julian Kift <[3][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A Cc: Dave Londry <[4][12]davel at trguys.com>;
     A  A [5][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A <[6][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom
     A  A Thanks Julian,
     A  A interesting to see the difference! How much "headspace" differs
     between
     A  A the earlier models compared to this?
     A  A BR/Christer
     A  A Den ons 3 feb. 2021 kl 19:22 skrev Julian Kift
     A  A <[7][15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
     A  A Full size sent to Christer, here's what I have in reduced
     resolution
     A  A for the rest of the group.
     A  A Julian
     A  A [cid:1776e3bcf44632aa0fa1] [cid:1776e3bcf4418c3c5db2]
     A  A [cid:1776e3bcf44254e4adc3]
     A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A From: Christer Eriksson <[8][16]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com>
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 10:07 AM
     A  A To: Julian Kift <[9][17]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A Cc: Dave Londry <[10][18]davel at trguys.com>;
     A  A [11][19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A <[12][20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more headroom
     A  A Do anyone have pictures of the 9000 series floorpan?
     A  A BR Christer #2783
     A  A ons 3 feb. 2021 kl. 16:48 skrev Julian Kift
     A  A <[13][21]julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
     A  A  A  A  The vendors sell varying degrees of drop from 1 to 3" if
     I
     A  A  A recall, many
     A  A  A  A  of these 'pans' are exactly that, a replacement pan to
     be welded
     A  A  A in
     A  A  A  A  which also drops the front of the seat pan and depending
     on your
     A  A  A seat
     A  A  A  A  style can restrict seat travel forward.
     A  A  A  A  The triangular insert method avoids the forward seat
     movement
     A  A  A  A  restriction above, but does only really lower the rear
     of the
     A  A  A seat i.e.
     A  A  A  A  adjust rake to lie back more.
     A  A  A  A  Significantly more work, but a more complete solution is
     to
     A  A  A replace the
     A  A  A  A  entire floor pan lowered like the later 9000 series
     cars. Of
     A  A  A course,
     A  A  A  A  one can slope the pan starting much more forward and
     remove the
     A  A  A cross
     A  A  A  A  brace mid-way. Add some bead rolled ribs to strengthen
     the pan
     A  A  A and/or
     A  A  A  A  your own lowered cross brace.
     A  A  A  A  Julian
     A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A  A  A  From: DeTomaso
     <[14][22]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
     A  A  A behalf of
     A  A  A  A  Dave Londry <[15][23]davel at trguys.com>
     A  A  A  A  Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 6:23 PM
     A  A  A  A  To: [16][24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A <[17][25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for more
     headroom
     A  A  A  A  pantera floor-pan lowering kit - Google Search
     A  A
     A <[1][18][26]https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=p
     antera
     A  A  A +floor-
     A  A
     A pan+lowering+kit&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdwI2U08zuAhUOuZ4KHQeRBDoQjJkEegQ
     IB
     A  A  A xAB
     A  A  A  A  &biw=1180&bih=967>
     A  A
     A [2][19][27]https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pa
     ntera+
     A  A  A floor-p
     A  A
     A an+lowering+kit&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdwI2U08zuAhUOuZ4KHQeRBDoQjJkEegQI
     Bx
     A  A  A AB
     A  A  A  A  Lots of info here.
     A  A  A  A  Dave
     A  A  A  A  On 2021-02-02 6:15 p.m., B Hower via DeTomaso wrote:
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A 3400 has lowered floor ... level and driver and
     passenger
     A  A  A side
     A  A  A  A  ... I
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A would think that sloping floor and tilting seat
     would
     A  A  A restrict
     A  A  A  A  rear
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A travel of seat adjustment ...
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow
     -- for there
     A  A  A may
     A  A  A  A  not be
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A ! )
     A  A  A  A  >
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, 8:07:02 PM CST,
     Pantdino via
     A  A  A  A  DeTomaso
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A <[20][28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     wrote:
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A I'm sure someone will post with more details
     or a
     A  A  A reference,
     A  A  A  A  but my
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A recollection is that you don't want to lower
     the entire
     A  A  A floor
     A  A  A  A  but
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A rather leave the forward portion as it is
     and angle the
     A  A  A floor
     A  A  A  A  down as
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A it goes rearward. You cut the floor on the
     sides and
     A  A  A rear, bend
     A  A  A  A  it
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A down, and weld in triangular pieces to
     support it that
     A  A  A way.
     A  A  A  A  This
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A lowers
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A and tilts the seat bottom.A  Too much and
     you'll hit on
     A  A  A every
     A  A  A  A  speed
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A bump
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A you come across.
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A Jim
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A From: Doug Braun
     <[1][21][29]doug351c at gmail.com>
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A To:
     [2][22][30]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2021 5:57 pm
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Lowered Floor Pans for
     more headroom
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A  A Anyone recall a forum posting or article
     on lowering
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A  A  floor
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A pans.
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A  A My search has come up empty.
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A  A Doug Braun
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A  A  A Blue 73L #5505
     A  A  A  A  >A  A  A
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     A [40][48]https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=pante
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     eg
     A  A  A QIBxAB&biw=1180&bih=967
     A  A  A  A  2.
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