[DeTomaso] spare tire/wheel

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Thu Dec 9 14:31:22 EST 2021


A 'compact' high pressure spare will easily fit in the rear trunk insert although not in the molded well, and with some rearranging, it may fit in the front trunk as well. To carry a 15" high-pressure spare up front in a '72 L, I had to reroute the clutch hydraulic feed line, and re-clock the power booster's front cover by 90 degrees so the vacuum booster hose boss is nearer the inner fender well. It also required a dropped battery. A stock collapsible spare also fits up front and in back without rearranging. Nice to have options.
Note that to carry a flat or damaged full size tire in the rear trunk with the liner, you'll need to add a 12" or so long bungee cord to your on-board tool kit, to restrain the trunk lid, as neither a flat/damaged stock front nor rear wheel & tire will fit with the deck lid latched. Gr-4 racers did not use a fiberglas trunk insert. Instead they had a small steel bracket that sat directly on the ZF case and (due to LeMans rules) held a 14" x 15" full size spare racing tire with the decklid fully closed. The brackets are long NLA so you will have to fabricate your own, but they are not complicated.
Note also that due to different ODs of available spares- either stock collapsible or high-pressure, actual use of,one on the road in back will rapidly wear your ZF's light duty limited-slip clutches, as well as the sketchy-tread spares which only last about 50 miles at 50mph max (my direct experience). But that's usually enough to get you to some help. Carrying a POCA Address & Phone List of your friends plus a cell phone on board  is better than AAA in many cases. 
High-pressure spares need 45-55 psi inflation pressure. If yours proves to be low when you need it, VW used to offer an attachment that when screwed into the engine in place of one spark plug, allowed an idling engine to reinflate the spare back to specs. Off-roaders also use such devices that are also easily fabricated. They are an option for spare tire inflator cans (hard to find nowadays) for low tires that have proven to be often filled with explosive PROPANE! Read the label! J DeRyke


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>; Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 9, 2021 5:09 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] spare tire/wheel

  I can certainly relate to your frustration. The last 2 times I have
  called AAA have waited over 3 hours for the truck to arrive, and we are
  the top level AAA memberS. Very frustrating!
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  -------- Original message --------
  From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
  Date: 12/9/21 6:40 AM (GMT-05:00)
  To: LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, Konrad
  Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
  Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] spare tire/wheel

  I haven't carried a spare for many years, either in the Pantera or the
  Cobra.  I've used AAA for my backup.
  But...
  My Cobra recently started experiencing vapor lock.  It stranded me in
  Tallahassee over Thanksgiving break.  I was 500 miles from home.  I
  called AAA and waited for the tow truck.  It was going to be $1,800 to
  get me and the car home, but at that point, I didn't care.  I was on
  the side of the road for over an hour.  The tow truck driver finally
  called and refused to tow me.  They said it would be "too
  uncomfortable" to drive that far.  I called my wife, who helped find a
  U-Haul truck and auto transport.  I had originally called U-Haul, but
  the national number couldn't find anything.  Long story, but I finally
  got on the road, 7 hours after I entered Tallahassee.
  Last weekend, I took the car to a show about 5 miles away.  I figured
  it would be okay, since it wouldn't have time to overheat.  But it
  happened again.  It died just as I parked the car.  I figured it would
  cool enough during the show, and it did enough to get me going.  It
  died again 2 miles from the show.  I called AAA again.  This time, the
  tow truck driver refused the tow and cancelled my AAA case.  Nobody
  told me they cancelled the call, so I waited for 2 hours for a truck
  that would never show.  I finally gave up on them.  I walked across the
  street (it died near a gas station), and bought a small gas can and a
  soft drink in a plastic container.  I poured gas from the gas can to
  the soft drink container, and from there into the vent tubes.  I
  figured I could limp it for 3 miles, which I did.  Filling the fuel
  bowls was actually enough gas to get me all the way home.
  So, I don't trust AAA anymore.  It may be that the local tow truck
  companies are unreliable, probably due to Covid, but it doesn't really
  matter.
  If I had a flat tire, and if I had a spare, I could use the spare, and
  drive home with the deck lid open.  I wouldn't do that for 500 miles,
  but it wouldn't be a problem for short distances.  And if I still ran
  the rear trunk, I'd carry the 90's Lincoln compact spare.
  Btw, I now think the vapor lock is a hardened gas line that is sucking
  air.  This replica is almost 30 years old, so it probably has gas lines
  that are not ethanol friendly.  I have the car safely in my garage, so
  I'm going to go through the entire fuel system.
  On 12/8/21, 11:56 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of LSJ via DeTomaso"
  <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
  detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
          After having some wheel and tire "issues", I bought a late 90's
  Lincoln
          compact spare made of aluminum. It is very lightweight and
  easily fits
          into the trunk.
          The OEM compact spare tire also matches quite closely to the
  diameter
          of the rubber on my GT5.
          LSJ
          On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 09:04:05 PM EST, Konrad Szwab
          <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
            I would drive on the spare and the down the flat tire on top
  of the
            luggage rack I have on top of the deck lid
            On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 8:02 PM Mike Drew
  <[1][1]mikeldrew at aol.com>
          wrote:
              My recommendation is simply adonata.
              There is no place to put a full sized wheel and tire in the
  car.
          So,
              if you get a flat and install the spare, do you plan to
  leave the
              flat and the wheel on the side of the road and drove away?A
  Of
              course not.
              So, you will get a tow truck in any case. So no need for a
  sparea|.
              Mike
              Sent from my iPad
              > On Dec 4, 2021, at 16:58, Konrad Szwab
  <[2][2]kszwab at gmail.com>
              wrote:
              >
              > i>>?A  A Many years ago, sadly my father threw away the
  spare
              tire/wheel.
              >A  A What would be the recommendation for a spare
  tire/wheel/jack
              for the'73
              >A  A ?
              >A  A Thanks,
              >A  A Konrad
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   A 'compact' high pressure spare will easily fit in the rear trunk
   insert although not in the molded well, and with some rearranging, it
   may fit in the front trunk as well. To carry a 15" high-pressure spare
   up front in a '72 L, I had to reroute the clutch hydraulic feed line,
   and re-clock the power booster's front cover by 90 degrees so the
   vacuum booster hose boss is nearer the inner fender well. It also
   required a dropped battery. A stock collapsible spare also fits up
   front and in back without rearranging. Nice to have options.
   Note that to carry a flat or damaged full size tire in the rear trunk
   with the liner, you'll need to add a 12" or so long bungee cord to your
   on-board tool kit, to restrain the trunk lid, as neither a flat/damaged
   stock front nor rear wheel & tire will fit with the deck lid latched.
   Gr-4 racers did not use a fiberglas trunk insert. Instead they had a
   small steel bracket that sat directly on the ZF case and (due to LeMans
   rules) held a 14" x 15" full size spare racing tire with the decklid
   fully closed. The brackets are long NLA so you will have to fabricate
   your own, but they are not complicated.
   Note also that due to different ODs of available spares- either stock
   collapsible or high-pressure, actual use of,one on the road in back
   will rapidly wear your ZF's light duty limited-slip clutches, as well
   as the sketchy-tread spares which only last about 50 miles at 50mph max
   (my direct experience). But that's usually enough to get you to some
   help. Carrying a POCA Address & Phone List of your friends plus a cell
   phone on board  is better than AAA in many cases.
   High-pressure spares need 45-55 psi inflation pressure. If yours proves
   to be low when you need it, VW used to offer an attachment that when
   screwed into the engine in place of one spark plug, allowed an idling
   engine to reinflate the spare back to specs. Off-roaders also use such
   devices that are also easily fabricated. They are an option for spare
   tire inflator cans (hard to find nowadays) for low tires that have
   proven to be often filled with explosive PROPANE! Read the label!
   J DeRyke
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
   To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; LSJ <lashdeep at yahoo.com>;
   Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Thu, Dec 9, 2021 5:09 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] spare tire/wheel
     I can certainly relate to your frustration. The last 2 times I have
     called AAA have waited over 3 hours for the truck to arrive, and we
   are
     the top level AAA memberS. Very frustrating!
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     -------- Original message --------
     From: Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
     Date: 12/9/21 6:40 AM (GMT-05:00)
     To: LSJ <[2]lashdeep at yahoo.com>, Mike Drew <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>,
   Konrad
     Szwab <[4]kszwab at gmail.com>
     Cc: "[5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
     <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] spare tire/wheel
     I haven't carried a spare for many years, either in the Pantera or
   the
     Cobra.  I've used AAA for my backup.
     But...
     My Cobra recently started experiencing vapor lock.  It stranded me in
     Tallahassee over Thanksgiving break.  I was 500 miles from home.  I
     called AAA and waited for the tow truck.  It was going to be $1,800
   to
     get me and the car home, but at that point, I didn't care.  I was on
     the side of the road for over an hour.  The tow truck driver finally
     called and refused to tow me.  They said it would be "too
     uncomfortable" to drive that far.  I called my wife, who helped find
   a
     U-Haul truck and auto transport.  I had originally called U-Haul, but
     the national number couldn't find anything.  Long story, but I
   finally
     got on the road, 7 hours after I entered Tallahassee.
     Last weekend, I took the car to a show about 5 miles away.  I figured
     it would be okay, since it wouldn't have time to overheat.  But it
     happened again.  It died just as I parked the car.  I figured it
   would
     cool enough during the show, and it did enough to get me going.  It
     died again 2 miles from the show.  I called AAA again.  This time,
   the
     tow truck driver refused the tow and cancelled my AAA case.  Nobody
     told me they cancelled the call, so I waited for 2 hours for a truck
     that would never show.  I finally gave up on them.  I walked across
   the
     street (it died near a gas station), and bought a small gas can and a
     soft drink in a plastic container.  I poured gas from the gas can to
     the soft drink container, and from there into the vent tubes.  I
     figured I could limp it for 3 miles, which I did.  Filling the fuel
     bowls was actually enough gas to get me all the way home.
     So, I don't trust AAA anymore.  It may be that the local tow truck
     companies are unreliable, probably due to Covid, but it doesn't
   really
     matter.
     If I had a flat tire, and if I had a spare, I could use the spare,
   and
     drive home with the deck lid open.  I wouldn't do that for 500 miles,
     but it wouldn't be a problem for short distances.  And if I still ran
     the rear trunk, I'd carry the 90's Lincoln compact spare.
     Btw, I now think the vapor lock is a hardened gas line that is
   sucking
     air.  This replica is almost 30 years old, so it probably has gas
   lines
     that are not ethanol friendly.  I have the car safely in my garage,
   so
     I'm going to go through the entire fuel system.
     On 12/8/21, 11:56 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of LSJ via DeTomaso"
     <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
     [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
             After having some wheel and tire "issues", I bought a late
   90's
     Lincoln
             compact spare made of aluminum. It is very lightweight and
     easily fits
             into the trunk.
             The OEM compact spare tire also matches quite closely to the
     diameter
             of the rubber on my GT5.
             LSJ
             On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 09:04:05 PM EST, Konrad Szwab
             <[9]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
               I would drive on the spare and the down the flat tire on
   top
     of the
               luggage rack I have on top of the deck lid
               On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 8:02 PM Mike Drew
     <[1][1][10]mikeldrew at aol.com>
             wrote:
                 My recommendation is simply adonata.
                 There is no place to put a full sized wheel and tire in
   the
     car.
             So,
                 if you get a flat and install the spare, do you plan to
     leave the
                 flat and the wheel on the side of the road and drove
   away?A
     Of
                 course not.
                 So, you will get a tow truck in any case. So no need for
   a
     sparea|.
                 Mike
                 Sent from my iPad
                 > On Dec 4, 2021, at 16:58, Konrad Szwab
     <[2][2][11]kszwab at gmail.com>
                 wrote:
                 >
                 > i>>?A  A Many years ago, sadly my father threw away the
     spare
                 tire/wheel.
                 >A  A What would be the recommendation for a spare
     tire/wheel/jack
                 for the'73
                 >A  A ?
                 >A  A Thanks,
                 >A  A Konrad
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