[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 206, Issue 20
Trip Owen
lance730 at msn.com
Fri Aug 20 19:17:33 EDT 2021
My 2 cents,
Gentlemen, and any Ladies reading this, which I doubt, it is not always about the money – some guys over restore cars and they know they will lose money, or as some have said, their wives or kids will take a bath on it someday, so while some are flipping out about dropping dime, to many guys, their reaction is – “So what” – anyone that has restored cars with todays shop labor rates, and parts prices, know, unless they are totally clueless, its a loser, and the present administration is aiming to wreck the hobby, incoming………..
Trip
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Today's Topics:
1. Concorso video (Larry Finch)
2. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
3. SORC Footage For Mark Skwarek 1973 Pantera (Jim Wallace)
4. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Mike Drew)
5. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Mike Drew)
6. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Julian Kift)
7. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (MICHAEL DREW)
8. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Julian Kift)
9. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
10. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Erik Kolstoe)
11. Concorso video (Garth Rodericks)
12. Re: one overlooked pantera sale. (theemonkey)
13. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (MICHAEL DREW)
14. Woodward Dream Cruise (Dave McManus)
15. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:38:12 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso video
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All,
YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and continues for about 90 seconds.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FgPzxhf13l6k&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178624479%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LxJMg%2FTNzKX7ufFAcW3Mh4UKGTgyym0EuEpBG7se9WU%3D&reserved=0
Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of 11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to chroming.
Larry
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All,
YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
continues for about 90 seconds.
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Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double
din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of
11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car
consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to
chroming.
Larry
Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:28:39 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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A lot of this sentiment is one of the reasons we built a Group 3 racer
without the flares etc (and saved all of the original parts -- every last
one). I looked for a long time for the perfect car to convert to racer --
and Asa Jay had it. If desired, it can be put back to stock
pretty easily. Had I not found Asa Jay's car, I would have probably bought
two cars -- one in need of repair to be built into the racer (at which
point we might have gone the Group 4 route) and one to drive on the street.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:57 AM Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com> wrote:
> Mile,
>
> While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it as a
> scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned by investors
> who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest for future flip.
> And yes, they will to a degree drive future market. But, what does the
> direct sale market look like? How do you explain the Ring Brothers car?
>
> As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I have
> passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or may not
> ever be priced at the top of the market. I?m ok with that. My kids can
> figure out what to do with it after I?m gone.
>
> Nathan Giles
>
> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > ? All,
> >
> > There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
> > Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> >
> > This car:
> >
> > [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178629459%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=frx2RH4VOg5Jf1VeC%2FShQ%2B5PwX7srj%2FJzozDC38OSHo%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > Sold for $78k.
> >
> > Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were willing
> > to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a GT5
> > conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you are
> > considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or GT/4
> > configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> > conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for an
> > all-in cost of $40-60k.
> >
> > If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the world
> > a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a really
> > nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody. And
> > it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> > deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
> > your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
> > likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
> >
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > References
> >
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A lot of this sentiment is one of the reasons we built a Group 3 racer
without the flares etc (and saved all of the original parts -- every
last one).A I looked for a long time for the perfect car to convert to
racer -- and Asa Jay had it.A If desired, it can be put back to stock
prettyA easily.A Had I not foundA Asa Jay's car, I would have probably
bought two cars -- one in need of repair to be built into the racer (at
which point we might have gone the Group 4 route) and one to drive on
the street.
A A A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:57 AM Nathan Giles <[2]nathan.giles at ex3.com>
wrote:
Mile,
While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it
as a scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned
by investors who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest
for future flip. And yes, they will to a degree drive future market.
But, what does the direct sale market look like? How do you explain
the Ring Brothers car?
As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I
have passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or
may not ever be priced at the top of the market. Iam ok with that.
My kids can figure out what to do with it after Iam gone.
Nathan Giles
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> i>>?A A All,
>
>A A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
the
>A A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>
>A A This car:
>
>A
A [1][4]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pante&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178634443%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pAvo%2FCyq2Y4xbeFKiyPGIZCwT58Fk5R2KBbA%2FjMAa6k%3D&reserved=0
ra/
>
>A A Sold for $78k.
>
>A A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were willing
>A A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for
a GT5
>A A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you are
>A A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S
or GT/4
>A A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
the
>A A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
for an
>A A all-in cost of $40-60k.
>
>A A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
the world
>A A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
really
>A A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody. And
>A A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>A A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
hack
>A A your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
would
>A A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
>
>A A Mike
>A A Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
>A A 1.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:25:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] SORC Footage For Mark Skwarek 1973 Pantera
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SORC Race Saturday......move ahead to 1 hour and fifty minutes to see Marks Car launch off the line.
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[1]SORC 2021 from Arnold, NE
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Loop To Loop Race ........look at 1 hour and 38 seconds.....be patient
the film is off and the audio is correct, then the video comes.
[2]Loup 2 Loup Race 2021 from Halsey
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Loup 2 Loup Race 2021 from Halsey
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:32:21 -0400
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Julian,
Uh?that?s exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one, don?t wreck an unmodified one.
Mike
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> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? Mike,
>
> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised of a
> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation of
> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it, only
> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body counterparts
> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on a
> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
> modified one.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> All,
> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> This car:
> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178639412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=IV1YGODv1ZCMHNeNYdnY7bd%2FpvzXbXqt0%2B8InUt3duE%3D&reserved=0
> Sold for $78k.
> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were willing
> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a GT5
> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you are
> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or GT/4
> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for an
> all-in cost of $40-60k.
> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the world
> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a really
> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody. And
> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:36:03 -0400
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Nathan,
The Ring Brothers car? That thing is a disaster. I think somebody may have bought it (or they had somebody buy it to save face). Who has seen it since?
Remember when the Gas Monkey Garage idiots essentially totaled a Pantera by hacking it up and putting a six-cylinder engine in it? It proved to be completely unsellable.
I have no objection to modified cars today. My point is that if one wants one, one should buy one, not build it.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:57, Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com> wrote:
>
> ?Mile,
>
> While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it as a scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned by investors who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest for future flip. And yes, they will to a degree drive future market. But, what does the direct sale market look like? How do you explain the Ring Brothers car?
>
> As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I have passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or may not ever be priced at the top of the market. I?m ok with that. My kids can figure out what to do with it after I?m gone.
>
> Nathan Giles
>
>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? All,
>>
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>>
>> This car:
>>
>> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
>>
>> Sold for $78k.
>>
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>>
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody. And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>>
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:46:14 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much ?
Julian
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From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
Uh?that?s exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one, don?t wreck an unmodified one.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? Mike,
>
> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised of a
> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation of
> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it, only
> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body counterparts
> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on a
> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
> modified one.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> All,
> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> This car:
> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
> Sold for $78k.
> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were willing
> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a GT5
> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you are
> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or GT/4
> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for an
> all-in cost of $40-60k.
> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the world
> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a really
> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody. And
> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
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Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the
lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than
a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
don't wreck an unmodified one.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
of a
> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
of
> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
only
> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
counterparts
> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
a
> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
> modified one.
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> All,
> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> This car:
> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
> Sold for $78k.
> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
willing
> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
GT5
> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
are
> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
GT/4
> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
an
> all-in cost of $40-60k.
> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
world
> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
really
> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
And
> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1.
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:42:33 -0400
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Julian,
As for the lime green car, I?m not convinced it actually sold. I will believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no evidence to support that contention.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the
> lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than
> a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
> don't wreck an unmodified one.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
> of a
>> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
> of
>> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
> only
>> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> counterparts
>> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
> a
>> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>> modified one.
>>
>> Julian
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> All,
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> This car:
>> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
>> Sold for $78k.
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
> willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
> GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
> are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
> GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
> an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
> world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
> And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178654346%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jv7o%2F1b%2BMrCAxMP14fzO8ZMj%2F%2BNrtI8mUtxeehpKLy8%3D&reserved=0
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 20:50:27 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Mike,
Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that intervention.
Julian
________________________________
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
As for the lime green car, I?m not convinced it actually sold. I will believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no evidence to support that contention.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ? Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the
> lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than
> a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
> don't wreck an unmodified one.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
> of a
>> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
> of
>> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
> only
>> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> counterparts
>> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
> a
>> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>> modified one.
>>
>> Julian
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> All,
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> This car:
>> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178654346%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jv7o%2F1b%2BMrCAxMP14fzO8ZMj%2F%2BNrtI8mUtxeehpKLy8%3D&reserved=0
>> Sold for $78k.
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
> willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
> GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
> are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
> GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
> an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
> world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
> And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178654346%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jv7o%2F1b%2BMrCAxMP14fzO8ZMj%2F%2BNrtI8mUtxeehpKLy8%3D&reserved=0
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Mike,
Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
intervention.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I will
believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
evidence to support that contention.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
surprised the
> lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
than
> a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
> don't wreck an unmodified one.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
> of a
>> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
> of
>> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
> only
>> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> counterparts
>> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
> a
>> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>> modified one.
>>
>> Julian
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> All,
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> This car:
>> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178659325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Ek2%2F0FGuWjwZcE88ouRG7R1R2BIlkioBUE0bfsdL9bc%3D&reserved=0
>> Sold for $78k.
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
> willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
> GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
> are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
> GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
> an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
> world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
> And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:56:15 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
major auction houses. I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent further
mistakes.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
*The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
> owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
> sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
> get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
> auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
> help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
> intervention.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I will
> believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
> my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
> evidence to support that contention.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
> surprised the
> > lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
> >
> > Julian
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> >
> > Julian,
> > Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
> than
> > a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
> > don't wreck an unmodified one.
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
> >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
> > of a
> >> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
> > of
> >> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
> > only
> >> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
> >> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
> >> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> > counterparts
> >> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
> > a
> >> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
> >> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
> >> modified one.
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> > of
> >> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> >> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> >>
> >> All,
> >> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
> >> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> >> This car:
> >> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178664306%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FKwYzago27cHDbr0zGD6Nsh8q3VWbyRwGWDZtc3XnB8%3D&reserved=0
> >> Sold for $78k.
> >> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
> > willing
> >> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
> > GT5
> >> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
> > are
> >> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
> > GT/4
> >> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> >> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
> > an
> >> all-in cost of $40-60k.
> >> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
> > world
> >> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> > really
> >> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
> > And
> >> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> >> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
> >> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
> >> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
> >> Mike
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1.
> > [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178664306%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FKwYzago27cHDbr0zGD6Nsh8q3VWbyRwGWDZtc3XnB8%3D&reserved=0
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I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
major auction houses.A I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further mistakes.A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
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error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank
you.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
<[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Mike,
A A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
the
A A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
A A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
the car
A A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
future
A A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
that will
A A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
A A intervention.
A A Julian
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
A A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A Julian,
A A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
I will
A A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
stand on
A A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
no
A A evidence to support that contention.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
<[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A >
A A >A A Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
just
A A surprised the
A A >A A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
A A >
A A >A A Julian
A A >
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >
A A >A A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A >A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
A A >A A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A >
A A >A A Julian,
A A >A A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
far more
A A than
A A >A A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
modified one,
A A >A A don't wreck an unmodified one.
A A >A A Mike
A A >A A Sent from my iPad
A A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >>A A wrote:
A A >>
A A >>A A Mike,
A A >>
A A >>A The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
A A >A A of a
A A >>A heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
A A >A A of
A A >>A the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
drive it,
A A >A A only
A A >>A it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
that same
A A >>A token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
A A >>A shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
A A >A A counterparts
A A >>A due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
A A >A A a
A A >>A very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
it's
A A >>A predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
than a
A A >>A modified one.
A A >>
A A >>A Julian
A A >>
A A >A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >>
A A >>A From: DeTomaso
<[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A >A A of
A A >>A Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
A A >>A To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A >>
A A >>A All,
A A >>A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
overlooked in the
A A >>A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
A A >>A This car:
A A >>A
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a/
A A >>A Sold for $78k.
A A >>A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were
A A >A A willing
A A >>A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
for a
A A >A A GT5
A A >>A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you
A A >A A are
A A >>A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S or
A A >A A GT/4
A A >>A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
of the
A A >>A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
value, for
A A >A A an
A A >>A all-in cost of $40-60k.
A A >>A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
and the
A A >A A world
A A >>A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
like a
A A >A A really
A A >>A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
A A >A A And
A A >>A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
(and
A A >>A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
not to hack
A A >>A your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
you would
A A >>A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
A A >>A Mike
A A >>A Sent from my iPad
A A >>
A A >> References
A A >>
A A >>A 1.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:25:12 -0700
From: Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com>
To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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>From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions at all.
I'm still completely baffled by all the buzz around them. There is nothing
in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you don't get to
thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on an unknown peanut
gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and questionable videos,
or to an auction house.
I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion with
someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer that they
either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the effort you
put into it.
my 2 cents...I must be getting old ?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
> major auction houses.A I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
> draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
> I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
> further mistakes.A A
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
> <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A A Mike,
> A A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
> the
> A A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
> A A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
> the car
> A A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
> future
> A A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
> that will
> A A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
> A A intervention.
> A A Julian
> A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
> A A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A Julian,
> A A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
> I will
> A A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
> stand on
> A A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
> no
> A A evidence to support that contention.
> A A Mike
> A A Sent from my iPhone
> A A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
> <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A >
> A A >A A Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
> just
> A A surprised the
> A A >A A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
> A A >
> A A >A A Julian
> A A >
> A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A >
> A A >A A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> A A >A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> A A >A A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A >A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A >
> A A >A A Julian,
> A A >A A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
> far more
> A A than
> A A >A A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
> modified one,
> A A >A A don't wreck an unmodified one.
> A A >A A Mike
> A A >A A Sent from my iPad
> A A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
> <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A >>A A wrote:
> A A >>
> A A >>A A Mike,
> A A >>
> A A >>A The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
> comprised
> A A >A A of a
> A A >>A heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
> appreciation
> A A >A A of
> A A >>A the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
> drive it,
> A A >A A only
> A A >>A it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
> that same
> A A >>A token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
> prepared to
> A A >>A shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> A A >A A counterparts
> A A >>A due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
> biased on
> A A >A A a
> A A >>A very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
> it's
> A A >>A predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
> than a
> A A >>A modified one.
> A A >>
> A A >>A Julian
> A A >>
> A A >A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A >>
> A A >>A From: DeTomaso
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> A A >A A of
> A A >>A Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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> A A >>A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> A A >>A To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >>A Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A >>
> A A >>A All,
> A A >>A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
> overlooked in the
> A A >>A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> A A >>A This car:
> A A >>A
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> a/
> A A >>A Sold for $78k.
> A A >>A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
> were
> A A >A A willing
> A A >>A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
> for a
> A A >A A GT5
> A A >>A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
> years--if you
> A A >A A are
> A A >>A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
> GT5-S or
> A A >A A GT/4
> A A >>A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
> of the
> A A >>A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
> value, for
> A A >A A an
> A A >>A all-in cost of $40-60k.
> A A >>A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
> and the
> A A >A A world
> A A >>A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
> like a
> A A >A A really
> A A >>A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
> Widebody.
> A A >A A And
> A A >>A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
> (and
> A A >>A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
> not to hack
> A A >>A your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
> you would
> A A >>A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
> pocket!
> A A >>A Mike
> A A >>A Sent from my iPad
> A A >>
> A A >> References
> A A >>
> A A >>A 1.
> A A >A
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From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions at
all. I'm still completelyA baffled by all the buzz around them. There
is nothing in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you
don't get to thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on an
unknownA peanut gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and
questionable videos, or to an auction house.
I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion
with someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer that
they either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the
effort you put into it.
my 2 cents...I must be getting oldA d-
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa <[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
A A I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars
at the
A A major auction houses.AA I think the exception is Bring A
Trailer, which
A A draws comments and history for the cars from those that know
it.A A
A A I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help
prevent
A A further mistakes.AA A
A A Regards,A
A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
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A A On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
A A <[2][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A AA A Mike,
A A A AA A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having
paid out
A A A the
A A A AA A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications'
they had no
A A A AA A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason
to help
A A A the car
A A A AA A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up
in a
A A A future
A A A AA A auction having now established a fictitious perceived
value
A A A that will
A A A AA A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without
that
A A A AA A intervention.
A A A AA A Julian
A A A AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3][4]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A A AA A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
A A A AA A To: Julian Kift <[4][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[5][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A A AA A Julian,
A A A AA A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it
actually sold.
A A A I will
A A A AA A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until
then I will
A A A stand on
A A A AA A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
admittedly
A A A no
A A A AA A evidence to support that contention.
A A A AA A Mike
A A A AA A Sent from my iPhone
A A A AA A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
A A A <[6][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A wrote:
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA AA Uh, not exactly what you said, but close
enough. I'm
A A A just
A A A AA A surprised the
A A A AA A >AA A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A Julian
A A A AA A >
A A A A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A From: Mike Drew <[7][8]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A A AA A >AA A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
A A A AA A >AA A To: Julian Kift <[8][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A >AA A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
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A A A AA A >AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera
sale
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A Julian,
A A A AA A >AA A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original
car is worth
A A A far more
A A A AA A than
A A A AA A >AA A a modified one. So if you want a modified one,
buy a
A A A modified one,
A A A AA A >AA A don't wreck an unmodified one.
A A A AA A >AA A Mike
A A A AA A >AA A Sent from my iPad
A A A AA A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
A A A <[10][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A >>AA A wrote:
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA A Mike,
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of
are now
A A A comprised
A A A AA A >AA A of a
A A A AA A >>AA heavy contingent of investors, who have little
to no
A A A appreciation
A A A AA A >AA A of
A A A AA A >>AA the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to
actually
A A A drive it,
A A A AA A >AA A only
A A A AA A >>AA it's originality and potential for investment
growth. By
A A A that same
A A A AA A >>AA token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S
cars are
A A A prepared to
A A A AA A >>AA shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their
narrow body
A A A AA A >AA A counterparts
A A A AA A >>AA due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems
a little
A A A biased on
A A A AA A >AA A a
A A A AA A >>AA very small snapshot of the market, and
ultimately, I think
A A A it's
A A A AA A >>AA predominantly a case of an original Pantera is
worth more
A A A than a
A A A AA A >>AA modified one.
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA Julian
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >A
A A A A
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A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA From: DeTomaso
A A A <[11][12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A A AA A >AA A of
A A A AA A >>AA Mike Drew via DeTomaso
A A A <[12][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >>AA Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
A A A AA A >>AA To: De Tomaso Forum
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A A A AA A >>AA Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA All,
A A A AA A >>AA There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
A A A overlooked in the
A A A AA A >>AA Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in
the app:
A A A AA A >>AA This car:
A A A AA A >>A
A A
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panter
A A A a/
A A A AA A >>AA Sold for $78k.
A A A AA A >>AA Let that sink in for a minute. At the same
auction, people
A A A were
A A A AA A >AA A willing
A A A AA A >>AA to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they
would pay
A A A for a
A A A AA A >AA A GT5
A A A AA A >>AA conversion!AA This just highlights what I've
said for
A A A years--if you
A A A AA A >AA A are
A A A AA A >>AA considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it
to GT5 or
A A A GT5-S or
A A A AA A >AA A GT/4
A A A AA A >>AA configuration, you have to realize that the
$20-30k+ cost
A A A of the
A A A AA A >>AA conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k
LOSS in
A A A value, for
A A A AA A >AA A an
A A A AA A >>AA all-in cost of $40-60k.
A A A AA A >>AA If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do
yourself
A A A and the
A A A AA A >AA A world
A A A AA A >>AA a favor and buy one already done like this. This
looks
A A A like a
A A A AA A >AA A really
A A A AA A >>AA nice car, one that you would likely really
enjoy, Mister
A A A Widebody.
A A A AA A >AA A And
A A A AA A >>AA it would preserve an unmolested car for the much
larger
A A A (and
A A A AA A >>AA deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if
you chose
A A A not to hack
A A A AA A >>AA your car and instead sold it and bought one
already done,
A A A you would
A A A AA A >>AA likely achieve happiness and have an extra
$20-30k in your
A A A pocket!
A A A AA A >>AA Mike
A A A AA A >>AA Sent from my iPad
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A A A AA A >>AA 1.
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Larry
Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso video
Message-ID: <161039051.2004746.1629322528315 at mail.yahoo.com>
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Hahahaha! I love when he looks in your front trunk at the brake booster and master cylinder and says, "Interesting! We got something up front. Maybe someone could tell me what that is."
THAT was funny!!! Definitely a car guy! :)
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All,
YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and continues for about 90 seconds.
Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two
Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of 11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to chroming.
Larry
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Hahahaha! I love when he looks in your front trunk at the brake booster and
master cylinder and says, "Interesting! We got something up front. Maybe
someone could tell me what that is."
THAT was funny!!! Definitely a car guy! :)
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All,
YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and continues for abo
ut 90 seconds.
[1]Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two
Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double din Kenwoo
d receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of 11 piece
s of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car consoles, TIG welded, l
aboriously sanded and smoothed prior to chroming.
Larry
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Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 18:16:16 -0700
From: theemonkey <theemonkey at yahoo.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] one overlooked pantera sale.
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This is my own personal opinion, but I believe the wheels and seats gave the car a very dated look,which hurt it's value.If it had all black seats,and a classic wheel such as the original gt5 campis?or even a halibrand style it would have gotten a higher price.Sent from an ipotato.?
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This is my own personal opinion, but I believe the wheels and seats
gave the car a very dated look,which hurt it's value.
If it had all black seats,and a classic wheel such as the original gt5
campis or even a halibrand style it would have gotten a higher price.
Sent from an ipotato.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 00:37:20 -0500
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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?Steve,
You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he had to sell it. It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get $180k for it.
Mike
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> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the major auction houses. I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
>> owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>> sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
>> get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
>> auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
>> help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>> intervention.
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> Julian,
>> As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I will
>> believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
>> my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
>> evidence to support that contention.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
>> surprised the
>> > lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>> >
>> > Julian
>> >
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> > Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>> >
>> > Julian,
>> > Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
>> than
>> > a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
>> > don't wreck an unmodified one.
>> > Mike
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
>> > of a
>> >> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
>> > of
>> >> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
>> > only
>> >> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>> >> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>> >> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>> > counterparts
>> >> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
>> > a
>> >> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>> >> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>> >> modified one.
>> >>
>> >> Julian
>> >>
>> > __________________________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>> > of
>> >> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> >> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>> >>
>> >> All,
>> >> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> >> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> >> This car:
>> >> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178719064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Vza3vNcW21%2Fee7Xbsz8c95f34R5yTv2fLrzRws5Rwt0%3D&reserved=0
>> >> Sold for $78k.
>> >> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
>> > willing
>> >> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
>> > GT5
>> >> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
>> > are
>> >> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
>> > GT/4
>> >> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> >> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
>> > an
>> >> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> >> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
>> > world
>> >> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>> > really
>> >> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
>> > And
>> >> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> >> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> >> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> >> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>> >> Mike
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> References
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Steve,
You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
had to sell it. It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get
$180k for it.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
major auction houses. I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further mistakes.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
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Mike,
Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
the
owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the
car
get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
will
help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
intervention.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
will
believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
stand on
my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
evidence to support that contention.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
<[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
surprised the
> lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
> Julian
>
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>
> From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
more
than
> a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
one,
> don't wreck an unmodified one.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
> of a
>> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
> of
>> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
drive it,
> only
>> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
same
>> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
>> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> counterparts
>> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
> a
>> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
it's
>> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
than a
>> modified one.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>
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>>
>> From: DeTomaso <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> All,
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> This car:
>>
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>> Sold for $78k.
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were
> willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
for a
> GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you
> are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S or
> GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
for
> an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
the
> world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
> And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:48:24 +0000
From: Dave McManus <Dave at damardirect.com>
To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Woodward Dream Cruise
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Anyone going to Woodward?
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:48:36 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes, Lola
T324 Formula Super Vee. We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but not being
able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with our visual
inspection at the auction. The engine alone was worth $9K, and we were
able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV that been
modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's. All the parts were
there, and it drove on to the auction block. We decided to bid on it,
since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a good class/car
for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our rig as a 3rd car to
take to the races.
Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right before
the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and outbid us, and
another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't going to let that happen. We
ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes, it cost me over $30,000 to
buy that car. We got it back to the race shop, and the tub was a
disaster. It had not been drilled out, bonded, and riveted in decades -
but in fact all the parts were there and the engine ran well. Many hours
of work later, we had the tub apart, but, we are a very very long way from
having it done.
Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done restoring
the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be worth $25,000, if we
are lucky. Our investment will be well north of $50,000, not including
shop labor.
That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car we buy
at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because we like
the events and car watching, but have a history of getting caught up in the
moment. So, I just have to stay away.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> ?
> ?
> ?Steve,
>
> You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
> auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
> commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he had to
> sell it. It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get $180k for
> it.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
> major auction houses. I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
> draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
>
> I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent further
> mistakes.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 480-442-0297
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
>> owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>> sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
>> get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
>> auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
>> help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>> intervention.
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> Julian,
>> As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I will
>> believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
>> my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
>> evidence to support that contention.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
>> surprised the
>> > lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>> >
>> > Julian
>> >
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> > Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>> >
>> > Julian,
>> > Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
>> than
>> > a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
>> > don't wreck an unmodified one.
>> > Mike
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
>> > of a
>> >> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
>> > of
>> >> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
>> > only
>> >> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>> >> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>> >> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>> > counterparts
>> >> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
>> > a
>> >> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>> >> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>> >> modified one.
>> >>
>> >> Julian
>> >>
>> > __________________________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>> behalf
>> > of
>> >> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> >> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>> >>
>> >> All,
>> >> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> >> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> >> This car:
>> >> [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178743950%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=suniZyv5dcaJ3L51pwXE570Byj6PzlA09TyKRwNfHkc%3D&reserved=0
>> >> Sold for $78k.
>> >> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
>> > willing
>> >> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
>> > GT5
>> >> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
>> > are
>> >> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
>> > GT/4
>> >> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> >> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
>> > an
>> >> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> >> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
>> > world
>> >> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>> > really
>> >> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
>> > And
>> >> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> >> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> >> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> >> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>> >> Mike
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> References
>> >>
>> >> 1.
>> > [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856179286599%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=PyenwbJoOXfeLLBFJTKh65CaFEWWWi%2FkaRvureJ%2FWqA%3D&reserved=0
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Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes, Lola
T324 Formula Super Vee.A We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but not
being able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with our
visual inspection at the auction.A The engine alone was worth $9K, and
we were able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV that
been modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's.A All the
parts were there, and it drove on to the auction block.A We decided to
bid on it, since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a
good class/car for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our rig
as a 3rd car to take to the races.A
Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right
before the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and
outbid us, and another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't goingA to
let that happen.A We ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes, it
cost me over $30,000 to buy that car.A We got it back to the race
shop, and the tub was a disaster.A It had not been drilled out,
bonded, and riveted in decades - but in fact all the parts were there
and the engine ran well.A Many hours of work later, we had the tub
apart, but, we are a very very long way from having it done.A A
Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done
restoring the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be worth
$25,000, if we are lucky.A Our investment will be well north of
$50,000, not including shop labor.
That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car we
buy at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because we
like the events and car watching, but have a history of getting caught
up in the moment.A So, I just have to stay away.A A
A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
i>>?
i>>?
i>>?Steve,
You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
had to sell it.A It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get
$180k for it.A
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
i>>?
I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
major auction houses.A I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further mistakes.A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
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A A Mike,
A A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
the
A A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
A A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
the car
A A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
future
A A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
that will
A A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
A A intervention.
A A Julian
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
A A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A Julian,
A A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
I will
A A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
stand on
A A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
no
A A evidence to support that contention.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
<[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A >
A A >A A Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
just
A A surprised the
A A >A A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
A A >
A A >A A Julian
A A >
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >
A A >A A From: Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A >A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
A A >A A To: Julian Kift <[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A >
A A >A A Julian,
A A >A A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
far more
A A than
A A >A A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
modified one,
A A >A A don't wreck an unmodified one.
A A >A A Mike
A A >A A Sent from my iPad
A A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >>A A wrote:
A A >>
A A >>A A Mike,
A A >>
A A >>A The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
A A >A A of a
A A >>A heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
A A >A A of
A A >>A the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
drive it,
A A >A A only
A A >>A it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
that same
A A >>A token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
A A >>A shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
A A >A A counterparts
A A >>A due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
A A >A A a
A A >>A very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
it's
A A >>A predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
than a
A A >>A modified one.
A A >>
A A >>A Julian
A A >>
A A >A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >>
A A >>A From: DeTomaso
<[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A >A A of
A A >>A Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
A A >>A To: De Tomaso Forum <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A >>
A A >>A All,
A A >>A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
overlooked in the
A A >>A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
A A >>A This car:
A A >>A
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A A >>A Sold for $78k.
A A >>A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were
A A >A A willing
A A >>A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
for a
A A >A A GT5
A A >>A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you
A A >A A are
A A >>A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S or
A A >A A GT/4
A A >>A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
of the
A A >>A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
value, for
A A >A A an
A A >>A all-in cost of $40-60k.
A A >>A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
and the
A A >A A world
A A >>A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
like a
A A >A A really
A A >>A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
A A >A A And
A A >>A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
(and
A A >>A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
not to hack
A A >>A your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
you would
A A >>A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
A A >>A Mike
A A >>A Sent from my iPad
A A >>
A A >> References
A A >>
A A >>A 1.
A A >A
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My 2 cents,
Gentlemen, and any Ladies reading this, which I doubt, it is not always
about the money - some guys over restore cars and they know they will
lose money, or as some have said, their wives or kids will take a bath
on it someday, so while some are flipping out about dropping dime, to
many guys, their reaction is - "So what" - anyone that has restored
cars with todays shop labor rates, and parts prices, know, unless they
are totally clueless, its a loser, and the present administration is
aiming to wreck the hobby, incoming...........
Trip
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Today's Topics:
1. Concorso video (Larry Finch)
2. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
3. SORC Footage For Mark Skwarek 1973 Pantera (Jim Wallace)
4. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Mike Drew)
5. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Mike Drew)
6. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Julian Kift)
7. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (MICHAEL DREW)
8. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Julian Kift)
9. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
10. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Erik Kolstoe)
11. Concorso video (Garth Rodericks)
12. Re: one overlooked pantera sale. (theemonkey)
13. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (MICHAEL DREW)
14. Woodward Dream Cruise (Dave McManus)
15. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:38:12 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso video
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All,
YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
continues for about 90 seconds.
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Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double
din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of
11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car
consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to
chroming.
Larry
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All,
YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
continues for about 90 seconds.
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Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my
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din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised
of
11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car
consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to
chroming.
Larry
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:28:39 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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A lot of this sentiment is one of the reasons we built a Group 3 racer
without the flares etc (and saved all of the original parts -- every
last
one). I looked for a long time for the perfect car to convert to racer
--
and Asa Jay had it. If desired, it can be put back to stock
pretty easily. Had I not found Asa Jay's car, I would have probably
bought
two cars -- one in need of repair to be built into the racer (at which
point we might have gone the Group 4 route) and one to drive on the
street.
Regards,
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:57 AM Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
wrote:
> Mile,
>
> While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it
as a
> scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned by
investors
> who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest for future
flip.
> And yes, they will to a degree drive future market. But, what does
the
> direct sale market look like? How do you explain the Ring Brothers
car?
>
> As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I
have
> passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or may
not
> ever be priced at the top of the market. I?m ok with that. My kids
can
> figure out what to do with it after I?m gone.
>
> Nathan Giles
>
> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > ? All,
> >
> > There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
the
> > Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> >
> > This car:
> >
> >
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> > Sold for $78k.
> >
> > Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
willing
> > to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
GT5
> > conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if
you are
> > considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
GT/4
> > configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> > conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
an
> > all-in cost of $40-60k.
> >
> > If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
world
> > a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
really
> > nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody. And
> > it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> > deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
hack
> > your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
would
> > likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
> >
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
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> > References
> >
> > 1.
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A lot of this sentiment is one of the reasons we built a Group 3
racer
without the flares etc (and saved all of the original parts -- every
last one).A I looked for a long time for the perfect car to convert
to
racer -- and Asa Jay had it.A If desired, it can be put back to
stock
prettyA easily.A Had I not foundA Asa Jay's car, I would have
probably
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(at
which point we might have gone the Group 4 route) and one to drive
on
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wrote:
Mile,
While your case may be true for recent auction results I question
it
as a scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned
by investors who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to
invest
for future flip. And yes, they will to a degree drive future
market.
But, what does the direct sale market look like? How do you
explain
the Ring Brothers car?
As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I
have passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may
or
may not ever be priced at the top of the market. Iam ok with that.
My kids can figure out what to do with it after Iam gone.
Nathan Giles
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> i>>?A A All,
>
>A A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
in
the
>A A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>
>A A This car:
>
>A
A
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>A A Sold for $78k.
>
>A A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were willing
>A A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
for
a GT5
>A A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you are
>A A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S
or GT/4
>A A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
the
>A A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
value,
for an
>A A all-in cost of $40-60k.
>
>A A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
the world
>A A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like
a
really
>A A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody. And
>A A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>A A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
to
hack
>A A your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
you
would
>A A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
>
>A A Mike
>A A Sent from my iPad
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:25:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] SORC Footage For Mark Skwarek 1973 Pantera
Message-ID: <468065323.1566432.1629314742325 at mail.yahoo.com>
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SORC Race Saturday......move ahead to 1 hour and fifty minutes to see
Marks Car launch off the line.
SORC 2021 from Arnold, NE
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Loop To Loop Race ........look at 1 hour and 38 seconds.....be patient
the film is off and the audio is correct, then the video comes.
Loup 2 Loup Race 2021 from Halsey
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SORC Race Saturday......move ahead to 1 hour and fifty minutes to
see
Marks Car launch off the line.
[1]SORC 2021 from Arnold, NE
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SORC 2021 from Arnold, NE
Loop To Loop Race ........look at 1 hour and 38 seconds.....be
patient
the film is off and the audio is correct, then the video comes.
[2]Loup 2 Loup Race 2021 from Halsey
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Loup 2 Loup Race 2021 from Halsey
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:32:21 -0400
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Julian,
Uh?that?s exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than a
modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one, don?t
wreck an unmodified one.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> ? Mike,
>
> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
of a
> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
of
> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
only
> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
counterparts
> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
a
> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
> modified one.
>
> Julian
>
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> All,
> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> This car:
>
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> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
willing
> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
GT5
> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
are
> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
GT/4
> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
an
> all-in cost of $40-60k.
> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
world
> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
really
> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
And
> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:36:03 -0400
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Nathan,
The Ring Brothers car? That thing is a disaster. I think somebody may
have bought it (or they had somebody buy it to save face). Who has seen
it since?
Remember when the Gas Monkey Garage idiots essentially totaled a
Pantera by hacking it up and putting a six-cylinder engine in it? It
proved to be completely unsellable.
I have no objection to modified cars today. My point is that if one
wants one, one should buy one, not build it.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:57, Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com> wrote:
>
> ?Mile,
>
> While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it
as a scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned by
investors who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest for
future flip. And yes, they will to a degree drive future market. But,
what does the direct sale market look like? How do you explain the Ring
Brothers car?
>
> As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I
have passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or
may not ever be priced at the top of the market. I?m ok with that. My
kids can figure out what to do with it after I?m gone.
>
> Nathan Giles
>
>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? All,
>>
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>>
>> This car:
>>
>>
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
aaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM
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ata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
>>
>> Sold for $78k.
>>
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>>
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>>
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
[27]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:46:14 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the
lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much ?
Julian
________________________________
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
Uh?that?s exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than a
modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one, don?t
wreck an unmodified one.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> ? Mike,
>
> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
of a
> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
of
> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
only
> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
counterparts
> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
a
> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
> modified one.
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> All,
> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> This car:
>
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
aaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM
C4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sd
ata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
> Sold for $78k.
> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
willing
> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
GT5
> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
are
> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
GT/4
> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
an
> all-in cost of $40-60k.
> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
world
> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
really
> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
And
> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1.
[30]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
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Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised
the
lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
than
a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
don't wreck an unmodified one.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
of a
> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
of
> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive
it,
only
> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
same
> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared
to
> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
counterparts
> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased
on
a
> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
> modified one.
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> All,
> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
the
> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> This car:
>
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
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ata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
> Sold for $78k.
> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
willing
> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
GT5
> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if
you
are
> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S
or
GT/4
> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
for
an
> all-in cost of $40-60k.
> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
world
> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
really
> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
And
> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
hack
> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
would
> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1.
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:42:33 -0400
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Julian,
As for the lime green car, I?m not convinced it actually sold. I will
believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
evidence to support that contention.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> ? Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
surprised the
> lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
than
> a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
> don't wreck an unmodified one.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
> of a
>> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
> of
>> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
> only
>> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> counterparts
>> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
> a
>> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>> modified one.
>>
>> Julian
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> All,
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> This car:
>>
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
aaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM
C4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sd
ata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
>> Sold for $78k.
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
> willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
> GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
> are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
> GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
> an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
> world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
> And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
>
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 20:50:27 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Mike,
Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
intervention.
Julian
________________________________
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
As for the lime green car, I?m not convinced it actually sold. I will
believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
evidence to support that contention.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> ? Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
surprised the
> lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
than
> a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
> don't wreck an unmodified one.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
> of a
>> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
> of
>> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
> only
>> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> counterparts
>> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
> a
>> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>> modified one.
>>
>> Julian
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> All,
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> This car:
>>
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
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ata=jv7o%2F1b%2BMrCAxMP14fzO8ZMj%2F%2BNrtI8mUtxeehpKLy8%3D&reserved
=0
>> Sold for $78k.
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
> willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
> GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
> are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
> GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
> an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
> world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
> And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
>
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Mike,
Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
will
help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
intervention.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
will
believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand
on
my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
evidence to support that contention.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
surprised the
> lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
more
than
> a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
one,
> don't wreck an unmodified one.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
> of a
>> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
> of
>> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive
it,
> only
>> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
same
>> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared
to
>> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> counterparts
>> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased
on
> a
>> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>> modified one.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> All,
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> This car:
>>
[1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
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ata=Ek2%2F0FGuWjwZcE88ouRG7R1R2BIlkioBUE0bfsdL9bc%3D&reserved=0
>> Sold for $78k.
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
> willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
> GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if
you
> are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S
or
> GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
for
> an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
> world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
> And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:56:15 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
major auction houses. I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further
mistakes.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
the
> owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
> sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the
car
> get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
> auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
will
> help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
> intervention.
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
will
> believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
stand on
> my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
> evidence to support that contention.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
> surprised the
> > lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
> >
> > Julian
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> >
> > Julian,
> > Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
more
> than
> > a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
one,
> > don't wreck an unmodified one.
> > Mike
> > Sent from my iPad
> >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
> > of a
> >> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
> > of
> >> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive
it,
> > only
> >> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
same
> >> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
> >> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> > counterparts
> >> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
> > a
> >> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
it's
> >> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than
a
> >> modified one.
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >
__________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
> > of
> >> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> >> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> >>
> >> All,
> >> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
the
> >> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> >> This car:
> >>
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> >> Sold for $78k.
> >> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were
> > willing
> >> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for
a
> > GT5
> >> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for years--if
you
> > are
> >> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S
or
> > GT/4
> >> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
the
> >> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
for
> > an
> >> all-in cost of $40-60k.
> >> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
the
> > world
> >> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
> > really
> >> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
> > And
> >> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> >> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
hack
> >> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
would
> >> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
> >> Mike
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1.
> >
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I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
the
major auction houses.A I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further mistakes.A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
<[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Mike,
A A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid
out
the
A A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had
no
A A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
the car
A A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
future
A A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
that will
A A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
A A intervention.
A A Julian
A A
A
__________________________________________________________________
A A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
A A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A Julian,
A A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually
sold.
I will
A A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I
will
stand on
A A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
admittedly
no
A A evidence to support that contention.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
<[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A >
A A >A A Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
just
A A surprised the
A A >A A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
A A >
A A >A A Julian
A A >
A
A
__________________________________________________________________
A A >
A A >A A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A >A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
A A >A A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A >
A A >A A Julian,
A A >A A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is
worth
far more
A A than
A A >A A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
modified one,
A A >A A don't wreck an unmodified one.
A A >A A Mike
A A >A A Sent from my iPad
A A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >>A A wrote:
A A >>
A A >>A A Mike,
A A >>
A A >>A The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
A A >A A of a
A A >>A heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
A A >A A of
A A >>A the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
drive it,
A A >A A only
A A >>A it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
that same
A A >>A token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
A A >>A shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow
body
A A >A A counterparts
A A >>A due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
A A >A A a
A A >>A very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I
think
it's
A A >>A predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth
more
than a
A A >>A modified one.
A A >>
A A >>A Julian
A A >>
A A >A
A
__________________________________________________________________
A A >>
A A >>A From: DeTomaso
<[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A >A A of
A A >>A Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
A A >>A To: De Tomaso Forum
<[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A >>
A A >>A All,
A A >>A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
overlooked in the
A A >>A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
A A >>A This car:
A A >>A
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A A >>A Sold for $78k.
A A >>A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction,
people
were
A A >A A willing
A A >>A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would
pay
for a
A A >A A GT5
A A >>A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you
A A >A A are
A A >>A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S or
A A >A A GT/4
A A >>A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+
cost
of the
A A >>A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
value, for
A A >A A an
A A >>A all-in cost of $40-60k.
A A >>A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
and the
A A >A A world
A A >>A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
like a
A A >A A really
A A >>A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
A A >A A And
A A >>A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
(and
A A >>A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
not to hack
A A >>A your car and instead sold it and bought one already
done,
you would
A A >>A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in
your
pocket!
A A >>A Mike
A A >>A Sent from my iPad
A A >>
A A >> References
A A >>
A A >>A 1.
A A >A
A
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:25:12 -0700
From: Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com>
To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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>From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions at
all.
I'm still completely baffled by all the buzz around them. There is
nothing
in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you don't get to
thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on an unknown
peanut
gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and questionable
videos,
or to an auction house.
I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion
with
someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer that they
either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the effort
you
put into it.
my 2 cents...I must be getting old ?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
the
> major auction houses.A I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
which
> draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A
A
> I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
> further mistakes.A A
> Regards,A
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
> Direct: 480-442-0297
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
> <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A A Mike,
> A A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid
out
> the
> A A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they
had no
> A A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to
help
> the car
> A A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
> future
> A A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
> that will
> A A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
> A A intervention.
> A A Julian
> A A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
> A A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A Julian,
> A A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually
sold.
> I will
> A A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I
will
> stand on
> A A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
admittedly
> no
> A A evidence to support that contention.
> A A Mike
> A A Sent from my iPhone
> A A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
> <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A >
> A A >A A Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
> just
> A A surprised the
> A A >A A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
> A A >
> A A >A A Julian
> A A >
> A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A >
> A A >A A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> A A >A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> A A >A A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A >A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A >
> A A >A A Julian,
> A A >A A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is
worth
> far more
> A A than
> A A >A A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
> modified one,
> A A >A A don't wreck an unmodified one.
> A A >A A Mike
> A A >A A Sent from my iPad
> A A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
> <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A >>A A wrote:
> A A >>
> A A >>A A Mike,
> A A >>
> A A >>A The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are
now
> comprised
> A A >A A of a
> A A >>A heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
> appreciation
> A A >A A of
> A A >>A the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to
actually
> drive it,
> A A >A A only
> A A >>A it's originality and potential for investment growth.
By
> that same
> A A >>A token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars
are
> prepared to
> A A >>A shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow
body
> A A >A A counterparts
> A A >>A due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a
little
> biased on
> A A >A A a
> A A >>A very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I
think
> it's
> A A >>A predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth
more
> than a
> A A >>A modified one.
> A A >>
> A A >>A Julian
> A A >>
> A A >A
> A
__________________________________________________________________
> A A >>
> A A >>A From: DeTomaso
> <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> A A >A A of
> A A >>A Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >>A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> A A >>A To: De Tomaso Forum
<[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >>A Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A >>
> A A >>A All,
> A A >>A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
> overlooked in the
> A A >>A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the
app:
> A A >>A This car:
> A A >>A
>
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> A A >>A Sold for $78k.
> A A >>A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction,
people
> were
> A A >A A willing
> A A >>A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would
pay
> for a
> A A >A A GT5
> A A >>A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
> years--if you
> A A >A A are
> A A >>A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5
or
> GT5-S or
> A A >A A GT/4
> A A >>A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+
cost
> of the
> A A >>A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
> value, for
> A A >A A an
> A A >>A all-in cost of $40-60k.
> A A >>A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do
yourself
> and the
> A A >A A world
> A A >>A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
> like a
> A A >A A really
> A A >>A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy,
Mister
> Widebody.
> A A >A A And
> A A >>A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much
larger
> (and
> A A >>A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you
chose
> not to hack
> A A >>A your car and instead sold it and bought one already
done,
> you would
> A A >>A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in
your
> pocket!
> A A >>A Mike
> A A >>A Sent from my iPad
> A A >>
> A A >> References
> A A >>
> A A >>A 1.
> A A >A
> A
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From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions
at
all. I'm still completelyA baffled by all the buzz around them.
There
is nothing in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you
don't get to thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on
an
unknownA peanut gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and
questionable videos, or to an auction house.
I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion
with someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer
that
they either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the
effort you put into it.
my 2 cents...I must be getting oldA d-
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa
<[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
A A I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying
cars
at the
A A major auction houses.AA I think the exception is Bring A
Trailer, which
A A draws comments and history for the cars from those that know
it.A A
A A I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help
prevent
A A further mistakes.AA A
A A Regards,A
A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
A A Direct: 480-442-0297
A A
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A A Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656AA |A A F:A
480.535.6628A
A A |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ
85260
A A Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357AA |AA F: 312.896.5633AA
|AA A: 55 E.
A A Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
A A This email is intended only for the recipient above and may
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A A confidential and privileged information. If you received this
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A A error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to
me. Thank
A A you.
A A On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
A A <[2][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A AA A Mike,
A A A AA A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with!
Having
paid out
A A A the
A A A AA A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications'
they had no
A A A AA A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason
to help
A A A the car
A A A AA A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up
in a
A A A future
A A A AA A auction having now established a fictitious
perceived
value
A A A that will
A A A AA A help it ultimately sell for more than it would
without
that
A A A AA A intervention.
A A A AA A Julian
A A A AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3][4]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A A AA A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
A A A AA A To: Julian Kift <[4][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[5][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A A AA A Julian,
A A A AA A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it
actually sold.
A A A I will
A A A AA A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until
then I will
A A A stand on
A A A AA A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
admittedly
A A A no
A A A AA A evidence to support that contention.
A A A AA A Mike
A A A AA A Sent from my iPhone
A A A AA A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
A A A <[6][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A wrote:
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA AA Uh, not exactly what you said, but close
enough. I'm
A A A just
A A A AA A surprised the
A A A AA A >AA A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so
much
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A Julian
A A A AA A >
A A A A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A From: Mike Drew <[7][8]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A A AA A >AA A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
A A A AA A >AA A To: Julian Kift
<[8][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A >AA A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[9][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked
Pantera
sale
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A Julian,
A A A AA A >AA A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original
car is worth
A A A far more
A A A AA A than
A A A AA A >AA A a modified one. So if you want a modified
one,
buy a
A A A modified one,
A A A AA A >AA A don't wreck an unmodified one.
A A A AA A >AA A Mike
A A A AA A >AA A Sent from my iPad
A A A AA A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
A A A <[10][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A >>AA A wrote:
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA A Mike,
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak
of
are now
A A A comprised
A A A AA A >AA A of a
A A A AA A >>AA heavy contingent of investors, who have little
to no
A A A appreciation
A A A AA A >AA A of
A A A AA A >>AA the width of the body of a Pantera or desire
to
actually
A A A drive it,
A A A AA A >AA A only
A A A AA A >>AA it's originality and potential for investment
growth. By
A A A that same
A A A AA A >>AA token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S
cars are
A A A prepared to
A A A AA A >>AA shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their
narrow body
A A A AA A >AA A counterparts
A A A AA A >>AA due to originality plus rarity. Your case
seems
a little
A A A biased on
A A A AA A >AA A a
A A A AA A >>AA very small snapshot of the market, and
ultimately, I think
A A A it's
A A A AA A >>AA predominantly a case of an original Pantera is
worth more
A A A than a
A A A AA A >>AA modified one.
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA Julian
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA From: DeTomaso
A A A <[11][12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
A A A AA A >AA A of
A A A AA A >>AA Mike Drew via DeTomaso
A A A <[12][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >>AA Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
A A A AA A >>AA To: De Tomaso Forum
<[13][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >>AA Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera
sale
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA All,
A A A AA A >>AA There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably
was
A A A overlooked in the
A A A AA A >>AA Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in
the app:
A A A AA A >>AA This car:
A A A AA A >>A
A A
A
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A A A a/
A A A AA A >>AA Sold for $78k.
A A A AA A >>AA Let that sink in for a minute. At the same
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A A A were
A A A AA A >AA A willing
A A A AA A >>AA to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than
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A A A for a
A A A AA A >AA A GT5
A A A AA A >>AA conversion!AA This just highlights what I've
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A A A years--if you
A A A AA A >AA A are
A A A AA A >>AA considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it
to GT5 or
A A A GT5-S or
A A A AA A >AA A GT/4
A A A AA A >>AA configuration, you have to realize that the
$20-30k+ cost
A A A of the
A A A AA A >>AA conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k
LOSS in
A A A value, for
A A A AA A >AA A an
A A A AA A >>AA all-in cost of $40-60k.
A A A AA A >>AA If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera,
do
yourself
A A A and the
A A A AA A >AA A world
A A A AA A >>AA a favor and buy one already done like this.
This
looks
A A A like a
A A A AA A >AA A really
A A A AA A >>AA nice car, one that you would likely really
enjoy, Mister
A A A Widebody.
A A A AA A >AA A And
A A A AA A >>AA it would preserve an unmolested car for the
much
larger
A A A (and
A A A AA A >>AA deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if
you chose
A A A not to hack
A A A AA A >>AA your car and instead sold it and bought one
already done,
A A A you would
A A A AA A >>AA likely achieve happiness and have an extra
$20-30k in your
A A A pocket!
A A A AA A >>AA Mike
A A A AA A >>AA Sent from my iPad
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >> References
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA 1.
A A A AA A >A
A A A A
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Larry
Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso video
Message-ID: <161039051.2004746.1629322528315 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hahahaha! I love when he looks in your front trunk at the brake booster
and master cylinder and says, "Interesting! We got something up front.
Maybe someone could tell me what that is."
THAT was funny!!! Definitely a car guy! :)
--- original message ---
All,
YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
continues for about 90 seconds.
Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two
Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double
din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of
11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car
consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to
chroming.
Larry
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Hahahaha! I love when he looks in your front trunk at the brake booster
and
master cylinder and says, "Interesting! We got something up front.
Maybe
someone could tell me what that is."
THAT was funny!!! Definitely a car guy! :)
--- original message ---
All,
YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
continues for abo
ut 90 seconds.
[1]Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two
Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double
din Kenwoo
d receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of
11 piece
s of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car consoles, TIG
welded, l
aboriously sanded and smoothed prior to chroming.
Larry
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Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 18:16:16 -0700
From: theemonkey <theemonkey at yahoo.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] one overlooked pantera sale.
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This is my own personal opinion, but I believe the wheels and seats
gave the car a very dated look,which hurt it's value.If it had all
black seats,and a classic wheel such as the original gt5 campis?or even
a halibrand style it would have gotten a higher price.Sent from an
ipotato.?
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This is my own personal opinion, but I believe the wheels and seats
gave the car a very dated look,which hurt it's value.
If it had all black seats,and a classic wheel such as the original
gt5
campis or even a halibrand style it would have gotten a higher
price.
Sent from an ipotato.
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 00:37:20 -0500
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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?Steve,
You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
had to sell it. It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get
$180k for it.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> ?
> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
the major auction houses. I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
which draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
>
> I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further mistakes.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
the
>> owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>> sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the
car
>> get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
>> auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
will
>> help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>> intervention.
>>
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> Julian,
>> As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
will
>> believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
stand on
>> my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
>> evidence to support that contention.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
>> surprised the
>> > lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>> >
>> > Julian
>> >
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> > Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>> >
>> > Julian,
>> > Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
more
>> than
>> > a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
one,
>> > don't wreck an unmodified one.
>> > Mike
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
>> > of a
>> >> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
>> > of
>> >> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
drive it,
>> > only
>> >> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
same
>> >> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
>> >> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>> > counterparts
>> >> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
>> > a
>> >> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
it's
>> >> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
than a
>> >> modified one.
>> >>
>> >> Julian
>> >>
>> >
__________________________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
>> > of
>> >> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> >> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>> >>
>> >> All,
>> >> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
in the
>> >> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> >> This car:
>> >>
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>> >> Sold for $78k.
>> >> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were
>> > willing
>> >> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
for a
>> > GT5
>> >> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you
>> > are
>> >> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S or
>> > GT/4
>> >> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
the
>> >> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
for
>> > an
>> >> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> >> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
the
>> > world
>> >> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>> > really
>> >> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
>> > And
>> >> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> >> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
to hack
>> >> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
would
>> >> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
>> >> Mike
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> References
>> >>
>> >> 1.
>> >
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Steve,
You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by
free
auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
had to sell it. It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to
get
$180k for it.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
the
major auction houses. I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further mistakes.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
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Mike,
Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
the
owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
the
car
get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
future
auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
that
will
help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
intervention.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Julian,
As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
I
will
believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
stand on
my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
no
evidence to support that contention.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
<[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
surprised the
> lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
> Julian,
> Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
far
more
than
> a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
modified
one,
> don't wreck an unmodified one.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
> of a
>> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
> of
>> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
drive it,
> only
>> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
that
same
>> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
>> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> counterparts
>> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
> a
>> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
it's
>> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
than a
>> modified one.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso
<[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> All,
>> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
in the
>> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> This car:
>>
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>> Sold for $78k.
>> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were
> willing
>> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
for a
> GT5
>> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you
> are
>> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S or
> GT/4
>> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
of
the
>> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
value,
for
> an
>> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
and
the
> world
>> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like
a
> really
>> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
> And
>> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
(and
>> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
to hack
>> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
you
would
>> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:48:24 +0000
From: Dave McManus <Dave at damardirect.com>
To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Anyone going to Woodward?
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Anyone going to Woodward?
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:48:36 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes, Lola
T324 Formula Super Vee. We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but not
being
able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with our
visual
inspection at the auction. The engine alone was worth $9K, and we were
able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV that been
modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's. All the parts
were
there, and it drove on to the auction block. We decided to bid on it,
since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a good
class/car
for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our rig as a 3rd car to
take to the races.
Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right
before
the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and outbid us,
and
another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't going to let that happen.
We
ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes, it cost me over $30,000
to
buy that car. We got it back to the race shop, and the tub was a
disaster. It had not been drilled out, bonded, and riveted in decades
-
but in fact all the parts were there and the engine ran well. Many
hours
of work later, we had the tub apart, but, we are a very very long way
from
having it done.
Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done
restoring
the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be worth $25,000, if
we
are lucky. Our investment will be well north of $50,000, not including
shop labor.
That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car we
buy
at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because we
like
the events and car watching, but have a history of getting caught up in
the
moment. So, I just have to stay away.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
*The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
> ?
> ?
> ?Steve,
>
> You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by
free
> auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
> commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
had to
> sell it. It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get $180k
for
> it.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
the
> major auction houses. I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
which
> draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
>
> I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further
> mistakes.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
the
>> owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>> sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the
car
>> get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
>> auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
will
>> help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>> intervention.
>>
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>> Julian,
>> As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
will
>> believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
stand on
>> my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
>> evidence to support that contention.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
>> surprised the
>> > lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>> >
>> > Julian
>> >
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> > Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>> >
>> > Julian,
>> > Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
more
>> than
>> > a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
one,
>> > don't wreck an unmodified one.
>> > Mike
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Mike,
>> >>
>> >> The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
>> > of a
>> >> heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
>> > of
>> >> the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
drive it,
>> > only
>> >> it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
same
>> >> token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
>> >> shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>> > counterparts
>> >> due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
>> > a
>> >> very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
it's
>> >> predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
than a
>> >> modified one.
>> >>
>> >> Julian
>> >>
>> >
__________________________________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>> behalf
>> > of
>> >> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>> >> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>> >>
>> >> All,
>> >> There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
in the
>> >> Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>> >> This car:
>> >>
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>> >> Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
were
>> > willing
>> >> to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
for a
>> > GT5
>> >> conversion! This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you
>> > are
>> >> considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S or
>> > GT/4
>> >> configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
the
>> >> conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
for
>> > an
>> >> all-in cost of $40-60k.
>> >> If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
the
>> > world
>> >> a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>> > really
>> >> nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
>> > And
>> >> it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>> >> deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
to hack
>> >> your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
would
>> >> likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
pocket!
>> >> Mike
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> References
>> >>
>> >> 1.
>> >
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Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes,
Lola
T324 Formula Super Vee.A We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but
not
being able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with
our
visual inspection at the auction.A The engine alone was worth $9K,
and
we were able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV
that
been modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's.A All
the
parts were there, and it drove on to the auction block.A We decided
to
bid on it, since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a
good class/car for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our
rig
as a 3rd car to take to the races.A
Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right
before the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and
outbid us, and another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't goingA to
let that happen.A We ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes,
it
cost me over $30,000 to buy that car.A We got it back to the race
shop, and the tub was a disaster.A It had not been drilled out,
bonded, and riveted in decades - but in fact all the parts were
there
and the engine ran well.A Many hours of work later, we had the tub
apart, but, we are a very very long way from having it done.A A
Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done
restoring the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be
worth
$25,000, if we are lucky.A Our investment will be well north of
$50,000, not including shop labor.
That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car
we
buy at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because
we
like the events and car watching, but have a history of getting
caught
up in the moment.A So, I just have to stay away.A A
A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
i>>?
i>>?
i>>?Steve,
You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by
free
auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
had to sell it.A It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to
get
$180k for it.A
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
i>>?
I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
the
major auction houses.A I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
further mistakes.A A
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
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A A Mike,
A A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid
out
the
A A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had
no
A A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
the car
A A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
future
A A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
that will
A A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
A A intervention.
A A Julian
A A
A
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A A From: MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
A A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A Julian,
A A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually
sold.
I will
A A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I
will
stand on
A A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
admittedly
no
A A evidence to support that contention.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPhone
A A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
<[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A >
A A >A A Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
just
A A surprised the
A A >A A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
A A >
A A >A A Julian
A A >
A
A
__________________________________________________________________
A A >
A A >A A From: Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A >A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
A A >A A To: Julian Kift <[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A >
A A >A A Julian,
A A >A A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is
worth
far more
A A than
A A >A A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
modified one,
A A >A A don't wreck an unmodified one.
A A >A A Mike
A A >A A Sent from my iPad
A A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
<[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >>A A wrote:
A A >>
A A >>A A Mike,
A A >>
A A >>A The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
comprised
A A >A A of a
A A >>A heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
appreciation
A A >A A of
A A >>A the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
drive it,
A A >A A only
A A >>A it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
that same
A A >>A token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
prepared to
A A >>A shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow
body
A A >A A counterparts
A A >>A due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
biased on
A A >A A a
A A >>A very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I
think
it's
A A >>A predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth
more
than a
A A >>A modified one.
A A >>
A A >>A Julian
A A >>
A A >A
A
__________________________________________________________________
A A >>
A A >>A From: DeTomaso
<[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A >A A of
A A >>A Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
A A >>A To: De Tomaso Forum
<[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >>A Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A >>
A A >>A All,
A A >>A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
overlooked in the
A A >>A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
A A >>A This car:
A A >>A
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A A >>A Sold for $78k.
A A >>A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction,
people
were
A A >A A willing
A A >>A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would
pay
for a
A A >A A GT5
A A >>A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
years--if you
A A >A A are
A A >>A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
GT5-S or
A A >A A GT/4
A A >>A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+
cost
of the
A A >>A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
value, for
A A >A A an
A A >>A all-in cost of $40-60k.
A A >>A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
and the
A A >A A world
A A >>A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
like a
A A >A A really
A A >>A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
Widebody.
A A >A A And
A A >>A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
(and
A A >>A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
not to hack
A A >>A your car and instead sold it and bought one already
done,
you would
A A >>A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in
your
pocket!
A A >>A Mike
A A >>A Sent from my iPad
A A >>
A A >> References
A A >>
A A >>A 1.
A A >A
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2. mailto:detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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