[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 206, Issue 20

Trip Owen lance730 at msn.com
Fri Aug 20 19:17:33 EDT 2021


My 2 cents,
Gentlemen, and any Ladies reading this, which I doubt, it is not always about the money – some guys over restore cars and they know they will lose money, or as some have said, their wives or kids  will take a bath on it someday, so while some are flipping out about dropping dime, to many guys, their reaction is – “So what” – anyone that has restored cars with todays shop labor rates, and parts prices, know, unless they are totally clueless, its a loser, and the present administration is aiming to wreck the hobby, incoming………..
Trip

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Today's Topics:

   1. Concorso video (Larry Finch)
   2. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
   3. SORC Footage For Mark Skwarek 1973 Pantera (Jim Wallace)
   4. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Mike Drew)
   5. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Mike Drew)
   6. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Julian Kift)
   7. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (MICHAEL DREW)
   8. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Julian Kift)
   9. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
  10. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Erik Kolstoe)
  11. Concorso video (Garth Rodericks)
  12. Re: one overlooked pantera sale. (theemonkey)
  13. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (MICHAEL DREW)
  14. Woodward Dream Cruise (Dave McManus)
  15. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:38:12 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso video
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All,

YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and continues for about 90 seconds.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FgPzxhf13l6k&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178624479%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LxJMg%2FTNzKX7ufFAcW3Mh4UKGTgyym0EuEpBG7se9WU%3D&reserved=0

Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.

I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of 11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to chroming.

Larry

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   All,

   YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
   continues for about 90 seconds.

   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FgPzxhf13l6k&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178624479%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LxJMg%2FTNzKX7ufFAcW3Mh4UKGTgyym0EuEpBG7se9WU%3D&reserved=0

   Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double
   din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.

   I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of
   11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car
   consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to
   chroming.

   Larry
   Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

References

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:28:39 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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A lot of this sentiment is one of the reasons we built a Group 3 racer
without the flares etc (and saved all of the original parts -- every last
one).  I looked for a long time for the perfect car to convert to racer --
and Asa Jay had it.  If desired, it can be put back to stock
pretty easily.  Had I not found Asa Jay's car, I would have probably bought
two cars -- one in need of repair to be built into the racer (at which
point we might have gone the Group 4 route) and one to drive on the street.

Regards,

Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
*The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297

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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:57 AM Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com> wrote:

> Mile,
>
> While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it as a
> scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned by investors
> who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest for future flip.
> And yes, they will to a degree drive future market. But, what does the
> direct sale market look like? How do you explain the Ring Brothers car?
>
> As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I have
> passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or may not
> ever be priced at the top of the market. I?m ok with that. My kids can
> figure out what to do with it after I?m gone.
>
> Nathan Giles
>
> > On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?   All,
> >
> >   There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
> >   Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> >
> >   This car:
> >
> >   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178629459%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=frx2RH4VOg5Jf1VeC%2FShQ%2B5PwX7srj%2FJzozDC38OSHo%3D&reserved=0
> >
> >   Sold for $78k.
> >
> >   Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were willing
> >   to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a GT5
> >   conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you are
> >   considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or GT/4
> >   configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
> >   conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for an
> >   all-in cost of $40-60k.
> >
> >   If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the world
> >   a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a really
> >   nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody. And
> >   it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
> >   deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
> >   your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
> >   likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
> >
> >   Mike
> >   Sent from my iPad
> >
> > References
> >
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   A lot of this sentiment is one of the reasons we built a Group 3 racer
   without the flares etc (and saved all of the original parts -- every
   last one).A  I looked for a long time for the perfect car to convert to
   racer -- and Asa Jay had it.A  If desired, it can be put back to stock
   prettyA easily.A  Had I not foundA Asa Jay's car, I would have probably
   bought two cars -- one in need of repair to be built into the racer (at
   which point we might have gone the Group 4 route) and one to drive on
   the street.
   A  A  A A
   Regards,A
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
   Direct: 480-442-0297
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:57 AM Nathan Giles <[2]nathan.giles at ex3.com>
   wrote:

     Mile,
     While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it
     as a scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned
     by investors who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest
     for future flip. And yes, they will to a degree drive future market.
     But, what does the direct sale market look like? How do you explain
     the Ring Brothers car?
     As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I
     have passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or
     may not ever be priced at the top of the market. Iam ok with that.
     My kids can figure out what to do with it after Iam gone.
     Nathan Giles
     > On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >
     > i>>?A  A All,
     >
     >A  A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
     the
     >A  A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
     >
     >A  A This car:
     >
     >A
     A [1][4]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pante&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178634443%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pAvo%2FCyq2Y4xbeFKiyPGIZCwT58Fk5R2KBbA%2FjMAa6k%3D&reserved=0
     ra/
     >
     >A  A Sold for $78k.
     >
     >A  A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
     were willing
     >A  A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for
     a GT5
     >A  A conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
     years--if you are
     >A  A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S
     or GT/4
     >A  A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
     the
     >A  A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
     for an
     >A  A all-in cost of $40-60k.
     >
     >A  A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
     the world
     >A  A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
     really
     >A  A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
     Widebody. And
     >A  A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
     >A  A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
     hack
     >A  A your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
     would
     >A  A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
     pocket!
     >
     >A  A Mike
     >A  A Sent from my iPad
     >
     > References
     >
     >A  A 1.
     [5]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178634443%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=r87eF6Vkiu5oI8wUfUMhDz36fK4wJiBTnL5IhSFteJc%3D&reserved=0
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:25:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] SORC Footage For Mark Skwarek 1973 Pantera
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SORC Race Saturday......move ahead to 1 hour and fifty minutes to see Marks Car launch off the line.
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   SORC Race Saturday......move ahead to 1 hour and fifty minutes to see
   Marks Car launch off the line.
   [1]SORC 2021 from Arnold, NE

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   Loop To Loop Race ........look at 1 hour and 38 seconds.....be patient
   the film is off and the audio is correct, then the video comes.
   [2]Loup 2 Loup Race 2021 from Halsey

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                      Loup 2 Loup Race 2021 from Halsey

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:32:21 -0400
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Julian,

Uh?that?s exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one, don?t wreck an unmodified one.

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?   Mike,
>
>   The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised of a
>   heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation of
>   the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it, only
>   it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>   token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>   shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body counterparts
>   due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on a
>   very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>   predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>   modified one.
>
>   Julian
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>   To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
>   All,
>   There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>   Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>   This car:
>   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178639412%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=IV1YGODv1ZCMHNeNYdnY7bd%2FpvzXbXqt0%2B8InUt3duE%3D&reserved=0
>   Sold for $78k.
>   Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were willing
>   to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a GT5
>   conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you are
>   considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or GT/4
>   configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>   conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for an
>   all-in cost of $40-60k.
>   If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the world
>   a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a really
>   nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody. And
>   it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>   deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>   your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>   likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPad
>
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:36:03 -0400
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Nathan,

The Ring Brothers car? That thing is a disaster. I think somebody may have bought it (or they had somebody buy it to save face). Who has seen it since?

Remember when the Gas Monkey Garage idiots essentially totaled a Pantera by hacking it up and putting a six-cylinder engine in it? It proved to be completely unsellable.

I have no objection to modified cars today. My point is that if one wants one, one should buy one, not build it.

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:57, Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com> wrote:
>
> ?Mile,
>
> While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it as a scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned by investors who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest for future flip. And yes, they will to a degree drive future market. But, what does the direct sale market look like? How do you explain the Ring Brothers car?
>
> As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I have passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or may not ever be priced at the top of the market. I?m ok with that. My kids can figure out what to do with it after I?m gone.
>
> Nathan Giles
>
>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?   All,
>>
>>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>>
>>  This car:
>>
>>  [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
>>
>>  Sold for $78k.
>>
>>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were willing
>>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a GT5
>>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you are
>>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or GT/4
>>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for an
>>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
>>
>>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the world
>>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a really
>>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody. And
>>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>>
>>  Mike
>>  Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>>  1. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:46:14 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much ?

Julian

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From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale

Julian,

Uh?that?s exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one, don?t wreck an unmodified one.

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?   Mike,
>
>   The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised of a
>   heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation of
>   the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it, only
>   it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>   token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>   shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body counterparts
>   due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on a
>   very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>   predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>   modified one.
>
>   Julian
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>   To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
>   All,
>   There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>   Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>   This car:
>   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
>   Sold for $78k.
>   Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were willing
>   to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a GT5
>   conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you are
>   considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or GT/4
>   configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>   conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for an
>   all-in cost of $40-60k.
>   If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the world
>   a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a really
>   nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody. And
>   it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>   deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>   your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>   likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
>   1. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
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   Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the
   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale

   Julian,
   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than
   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
   don't wreck an unmodified one.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >    Mike,
   >
   >   The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
   of a
   >   heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
   of
   >   the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
   only
   >   it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
   >   token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
   >   shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   counterparts
   >   due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
   a
   >   very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
   >   predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
   >   modified one.
   >
   >   Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
   >   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >   To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >
   >   All,
   >   There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
   >   Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >   This car:
   >   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
   >   Sold for $78k.
   >   Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
   willing
   >   to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
   GT5
   >   conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
   are
   >   considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
   GT/4
   >   configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
   >   conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
   an
   >   all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >   If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
   world
   >   a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   really
   >   nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
   And
   >   it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >   deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
   >   your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
   >   likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
   >   Mike
   >   Sent from my iPad
   >
   > References
   >
   >   1.
   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:42:33 -0400
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Message-ID: <F8FB4561-50BA-4025-AE6D-F27422DF2972 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Julian,

As for the lime green car, I?m not convinced it actually sold. I will believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no evidence to support that contention.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?   Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the
>   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
>   Julian
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
>   Julian,
>   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than
>   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
>   don't wreck an unmodified one.
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>   wrote:
>>
>>   Mike,
>>
>>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
>   of a
>>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
>   of
>>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
>   only
>>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>   counterparts
>>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
>   a
>>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>>  modified one.
>>
>>  Julian
>>
>   __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>   of
>>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>>  All,
>>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>>  This car:
>>  [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
>>  Sold for $78k.
>>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
>   willing
>>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
>   GT5
>>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
>   are
>>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
>   GT/4
>>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
>   an
>>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
>>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
>   world
>>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>   really
>>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
>   And
>>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>>  Mike
>>  Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>>  1.
>   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178654346%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jv7o%2F1b%2BMrCAxMP14fzO8ZMj%2F%2BNrtI8mUtxeehpKLy8%3D&reserved=0
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 20:50:27 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Mike,

Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that intervention.

Julian
________________________________
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale

Julian,

As for the lime green car, I?m not convinced it actually sold. I will believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no evidence to support that contention.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?   Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the
>   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>
>   Julian
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
>   Julian,
>   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than
>   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
>   don't wreck an unmodified one.
>   Mike
>   Sent from my iPad
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>   wrote:
>>
>>   Mike,
>>
>>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
>   of a
>>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
>   of
>>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
>   only
>>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>   counterparts
>>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
>   a
>>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>>  modified one.
>>
>>  Julian
>>
>   __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>   of
>>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>>  All,
>>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>>  This car:
>>  [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178654346%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jv7o%2F1b%2BMrCAxMP14fzO8ZMj%2F%2BNrtI8mUtxeehpKLy8%3D&reserved=0
>>  Sold for $78k.
>>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
>   willing
>>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
>   GT5
>>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
>   are
>>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
>   GT/4
>>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
>   an
>>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
>>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
>   world
>>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>   really
>>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
>   And
>>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>>  Mike
>>  Sent from my iPad
>>
>> References
>>
>>  1.
>   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178654346%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=jv7o%2F1b%2BMrCAxMP14fzO8ZMj%2F%2BNrtI8mUtxeehpKLy8%3D&reserved=0
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   Mike,

   Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
   owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
   sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
   get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
   auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
   help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
   intervention.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale

   Julian,
   As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I will
   believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
   my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
   evidence to support that contention.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
   surprised the
   >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
   >
   >   Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >
   >   Julian,
   >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
   than
   >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
   >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
   >   Mike
   >   Sent from my iPad
   >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>   wrote:
   >>
   >>   Mike,
   >>
   >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
   >   of a
   >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
   >   of
   >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
   >   only
   >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
   >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
   >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   >   counterparts
   >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
   >   a
   >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
   >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
   >>  modified one.
   >>
   >>  Julian
   >>
   >   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   >   of
   >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>
   >>  All,
   >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
   >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >>  This car:
   >>  [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178659325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Ek2%2F0FGuWjwZcE88ouRG7R1R2BIlkioBUE0bfsdL9bc%3D&reserved=0
   >>  Sold for $78k.
   >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
   >   willing
   >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
   >   GT5
   >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
   >   are
   >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
   >   GT/4
   >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
   >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
   >   an
   >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
   >   world
   >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   >   really
   >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
   >   And
   >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
   >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
   >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
   >>  Mike
   >>  Sent from my iPad
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >>  1.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:56:15 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
major auction houses.  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.

I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent further
mistakes.


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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

>    Mike,
>
>    Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
>    owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>    sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
>    get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
>    auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
>    help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>    intervention.
>
>    Julian
>      __________________________________________________________________
>
>    From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>    Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>    To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>    Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>
>    Julian,
>    As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I will
>    believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
>    my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
>    evidence to support that contention.
>    Mike
>    Sent from my iPhone
>    > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>    wrote:
>    >
>    >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
>    surprised the
>    >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>    >
>    >   Julian
>    >
>    __________________________________________________________________
>    >
>    >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>    >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>    >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>    >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>    >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>    >
>    >   Julian,
>    >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
>    than
>    >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
>    >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
>    >   Mike
>    >   Sent from my iPad
>    >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>    >>   wrote:
>    >>
>    >>   Mike,
>    >>
>    >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
>    >   of a
>    >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
>    >   of
>    >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
>    >   only
>    >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>    >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>    >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>    >   counterparts
>    >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
>    >   a
>    >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>    >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>    >>  modified one.
>    >>
>    >>  Julian
>    >>
>    >   __________________________________________________________________
>    >>
>    >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>    >   of
>    >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>    >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>    >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>    >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>    >>
>    >>  All,
>    >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>    >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>    >>  This car:
>    >>  [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178664306%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FKwYzago27cHDbr0zGD6Nsh8q3VWbyRwGWDZtc3XnB8%3D&reserved=0
>    >>  Sold for $78k.
>    >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
>    >   willing
>    >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
>    >   GT5
>    >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
>    >   are
>    >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
>    >   GT/4
>    >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>    >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
>    >   an
>    >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
>    >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
>    >   world
>    >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>    >   really
>    >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
>    >   And
>    >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>    >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>    >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>    >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>    >>  Mike
>    >>  Sent from my iPad
>    >>
>    >> References
>    >>
>    >>  1.
>    >   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178664306%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=FKwYzago27cHDbr0zGD6Nsh8q3VWbyRwGWDZtc3XnB8%3D&reserved=0
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   I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
   major auction houses.A  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
   draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
   I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
   further mistakes.A  A
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
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     A  A Mike,
     A  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
     the
     A  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
     A  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
     the car
     A  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
     future
     A  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
     that will
     A  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
     A  A intervention.
     A  A Julian
     A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
     A  A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A Julian,
     A  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
     I will
     A  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
     stand on
     A  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
     no
     A  A evidence to support that contention.
     A  A Mike
     A  A Sent from my iPhone
     A  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
     <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A wrote:
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
     just
     A  A surprised the
     A  A >A  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A Julian
     A  A >
     A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     A  A >A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
     A  A >A  A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A >A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A Julian,
     A  A >A  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
     far more
     A  A than
     A  A >A  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
     modified one,
     A  A >A  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
     A  A >A  A Mike
     A  A >A  A Sent from my iPad
     A  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
     <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A >>A  A wrote:
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  A Mike,
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
     comprised
     A  A >A  A of a
     A  A >>A  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
     appreciation
     A  A >A  A of
     A  A >>A  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
     drive it,
     A  A >A  A only
     A  A >>A  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
     that same
     A  A >>A  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
     prepared to
     A  A >>A  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
     A  A >A  A counterparts
     A  A >>A  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
     biased on
     A  A >A  A a
     A  A >>A  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
     it's
     A  A >>A  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
     than a
     A  A >>A  modified one.
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  Julian
     A  A >>
     A  A >A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  From: DeTomaso
     <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
     A  A >A  A of
     A  A >>A  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A >>A  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
     A  A >>A  To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  All,
     A  A >>A  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
     overlooked in the
     A  A >>A  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
     A  A >>A  This car:
     A  A >>A
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     A  A >>A  Sold for $78k.
     A  A >>A  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
     were
     A  A >A  A willing
     A  A >>A  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
     for a
     A  A >A  A GT5
     A  A >>A  conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
     years--if you
     A  A >A  A are
     A  A >>A  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
     GT5-S or
     A  A >A  A GT/4
     A  A >>A  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
     of the
     A  A >>A  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
     value, for
     A  A >A  A an
     A  A >>A  all-in cost of $40-60k.
     A  A >>A  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
     and the
     A  A >A  A world
     A  A >>A  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
     like a
     A  A >A  A really
     A  A >>A  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
     Widebody.
     A  A >A  A And
     A  A >>A  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
     (and
     A  A >>A  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
     not to hack
     A  A >>A  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
     you would
     A  A >>A  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
     pocket!
     A  A >>A  Mike
     A  A >>A  Sent from my iPad
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:25:12 -0700
From: Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com>
To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
        <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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>From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions at all.
I'm still completely baffled by all the buzz around them. There is nothing
in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you don't get to
thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on an unknown peanut
gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and questionable videos,
or to an auction house.

I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion with
someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer that they
either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the effort you
put into it.

my 2 cents...I must be getting old ?

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:

>    I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
>    major auction houses.A  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
>    draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
>    I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
>    further mistakes.A  A
>    Regards,A
>    Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>    The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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>    On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
>    <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>      A  A Mike,
>      A  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
>      the
>      A  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>      A  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
>      the car
>      A  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
>      future
>      A  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
>      that will
>      A  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>      A  A intervention.
>      A  A Julian
>      A  A
>      A __________________________________________________________________
>      A  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>      A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>      A  A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>      A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>      A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>      A  A Julian,
>      A  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
>      I will
>      A  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
>      stand on
>      A  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
>      no
>      A  A evidence to support that contention.
>      A  A Mike
>      A  A Sent from my iPhone
>      A  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
>      <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>      A  A wrote:
>      A  A >
>      A  A >A  A  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
>      just
>      A  A surprised the
>      A  A >A  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>      A  A >
>      A  A >A  A Julian
>      A  A >
>      A
>      A __________________________________________________________________
>      A  A >
>      A  A >A  A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
>      A  A >A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>      A  A >A  A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>      A  A >A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>      A  A >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>      A  A >
>      A  A >A  A Julian,
>      A  A >A  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
>      far more
>      A  A than
>      A  A >A  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
>      modified one,
>      A  A >A  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
>      A  A >A  A Mike
>      A  A >A  A Sent from my iPad
>      A  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
>      <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>      A  A >>A  A wrote:
>      A  A >>
>      A  A >>A  A Mike,
>      A  A >>
>      A  A >>A  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
>      comprised
>      A  A >A  A of a
>      A  A >>A  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
>      appreciation
>      A  A >A  A of
>      A  A >>A  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
>      drive it,
>      A  A >A  A only
>      A  A >>A  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
>      that same
>      A  A >>A  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
>      prepared to
>      A  A >>A  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>      A  A >A  A counterparts
>      A  A >>A  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
>      biased on
>      A  A >A  A a
>      A  A >>A  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
>      it's
>      A  A >>A  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
>      than a
>      A  A >>A  modified one.
>      A  A >>
>      A  A >>A  Julian
>      A  A >>
>      A  A >A
>      A __________________________________________________________________
>      A  A >>
>      A  A >>A  From: DeTomaso
>      <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>      A  A >A  A of
>      A  A >>A  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
>      <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>      A  A >>A  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>      A  A >>A  To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>      A  A >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>      A  A >>
>      A  A >>A  All,
>      A  A >>A  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
>      overlooked in the
>      A  A >>A  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>      A  A >>A  This car:
>      A  A >>A
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>      a/
>      A  A >>A  Sold for $78k.
>      A  A >>A  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
>      were
>      A  A >A  A willing
>      A  A >>A  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
>      for a
>      A  A >A  A GT5
>      A  A >>A  conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
>      years--if you
>      A  A >A  A are
>      A  A >>A  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
>      GT5-S or
>      A  A >A  A GT/4
>      A  A >>A  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
>      of the
>      A  A >>A  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
>      value, for
>      A  A >A  A an
>      A  A >>A  all-in cost of $40-60k.
>      A  A >>A  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
>      and the
>      A  A >A  A world
>      A  A >>A  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
>      like a
>      A  A >A  A really
>      A  A >>A  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
>      Widebody.
>      A  A >A  A And
>      A  A >>A  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
>      (and
>      A  A >>A  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
>      not to hack
>      A  A >>A  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
>      you would
>      A  A >>A  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
>      pocket!
>      A  A >>A  Mike
>      A  A >>A  Sent from my iPad
>      A  A >>
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>      A  A >>A  1.
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   From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions at
   all. I'm still completelyA baffled by all the buzz around them. There
   is nothing in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you
   don't get to thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on an
   unknownA peanut gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and
   questionable videos, or to an auction house.
   I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion
   with someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer that
   they either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the
   effort you put into it.
   my 2 cents...I must be getting oldA d-

   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa <[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
   wrote:

     A  A I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars
     at the
     A  A major auction houses.AA  I think the exception is Bring A
     Trailer, which
     A  A draws comments and history for the cars from those that know
     it.A A
     A  A I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help
     prevent
     A  A further mistakes.AA  A
     A  A Regards,A
     A  A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
     A  A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
     A  A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
     A  A Direct: 480-442-0297
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     A  A error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to
     me. Thank
     A  A you.
     A  A On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
     A  A <[2][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
     A  A  A AA  A Mike,
     A  A  A AA  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having
     paid out
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications'
     they had no
     A  A  A AA  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason
     to help
     A  A  A the car
     A  A  A AA  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up
     in a
     A  A  A future
     A  A  A AA  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived
     value
     A  A  A that will
     A  A  A AA  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without
     that
     A  A  A AA  A intervention.
     A  A  A AA  A Julian
     A  A  A AA  A
     A  A  A A
     __________________________________________________________________
     A  A  A AA  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3][4]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     A  A  A AA  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
     A  A  A AA  A To: Julian Kift <[4][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A  A AA  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
     <[5][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A AA  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A  A AA  A Julian,
     A  A  A AA  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it
     actually sold.
     A  A  A I will
     A  A  A AA  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until
     then I will
     A  A  A stand on
     A  A  A AA  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
     admittedly
     A  A  A no
     A  A  A AA  A evidence to support that contention.
     A  A  A AA  A Mike
     A  A  A AA  A Sent from my iPhone
     A  A  A AA  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
     A  A  A <[6][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A  A AA  A wrote:
     A  A  A AA  A >
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  AA  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close
     enough. I'm
     A  A  A just
     A  A  A AA  A surprised the
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
     A  A  A AA  A >
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Julian
     A  A  A AA  A >
     A  A  A A
     A  A  A A
     __________________________________________________________________
     A  A  A AA  A >
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A From: Mike Drew <[7][8]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A To: Julian Kift <[8][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
     <[9][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera
     sale
     A  A  A AA  A >
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Julian,
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original
     car is worth
     A  A  A far more
     A  A  A AA  A than
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one,
     buy a
     A  A  A modified one,
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Mike
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Sent from my iPad
     A  A  A AA  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
     A  A  A <[10][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  A wrote:
     A  A  A AA  A >>
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  A Mike,
     A  A  A AA  A >>
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of
     are now
     A  A  A comprised
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A of a
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  heavy contingent of investors, who have little
     to no
     A  A  A appreciation
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A of
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to
     actually
     A  A  A drive it,
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A only
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  it's originality and potential for investment
     growth. By
     A  A  A that same
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S
     cars are
     A  A  A prepared to
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their
     narrow body
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A counterparts
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems
     a little
     A  A  A biased on
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A a
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  very small snapshot of the market, and
     ultimately, I think
     A  A  A it's
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is
     worth more
     A  A  A than a
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  modified one.
     A  A  A AA  A >>
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Julian
     A  A  A AA  A >>
     A  A  A AA  A >A
     A  A  A A
     __________________________________________________________________
     A  A  A AA  A >>
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  From: DeTomaso
     A  A  A <[11][12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A of
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     A  A  A <[12][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  To: De Tomaso Forum
     <[13][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A  A AA  A >>
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  All,
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
     A  A  A overlooked in the
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in
     the app:
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  This car:
     A  A  A AA  A >>A
     A  A
     A [1][14][15]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178694173%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2BKxLtcQfmusDFL%2BfRTmfGXQ%2BGIJx1Its8g2RT0QLmGg%3D&reserved=0
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     A  A  A a/
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Sold for $78k.
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same
     auction, people
     A  A  A were
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A willing
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they
     would pay
     A  A  A for a
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A GT5
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  conversion!AA  This just highlights what I've
     said for
     A  A  A years--if you
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A are
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it
     to GT5 or
     A  A  A GT5-S or
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A GT/4
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  configuration, you have to realize that the
     $20-30k+ cost
     A  A  A of the
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k
     LOSS in
     A  A  A value, for
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A an
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  all-in cost of $40-60k.
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do
     yourself
     A  A  A and the
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A world
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  a favor and buy one already done like this. This
     looks
     A  A  A like a
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A really
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  nice car, one that you would likely really
     enjoy, Mister
     A  A  A Widebody.
     A  A  A AA  A >AA  A And
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much
     larger
     A  A  A (and
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if
     you chose
     A  A  A not to hack
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  your car and instead sold it and bought one
     already done,
     A  A  A you would
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  likely achieve happiness and have an extra
     $20-30k in your
     A  A  A pocket!
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Mike
     A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Sent from my iPad
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     A  A 5. mailto:[29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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     A  14.
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   3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   4. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   7. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   8. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   9. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  11. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  12. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  14. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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  17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  18. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178709109%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=32Jjp8wF91A1Welhh%2FwgL6V3tv4S%2FmqssfJJj8KtUaY%3D&reserved=0
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  24. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178714088%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=vLAARG%2Fe60ZX7U8ahEDFLg4iTTWUH9K8H5FkCcf64uA%3D&reserved=0
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  26. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  27. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
  28. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  29. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  30. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  31. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
  32. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  33. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  34. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  35. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  36. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  37. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,  Larry
        Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso video
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Hahahaha! I love when he looks in your front trunk at the brake booster and master cylinder and says, "Interesting! We got something up front. Maybe someone could tell me what that is."
THAT was funny!!! Definitely a car guy! :)
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All,

YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and continues for about 90 seconds.

Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two

Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.

I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of 11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to chroming.

Larry

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Hahahaha! I love when he looks in your front trunk at the brake booster and
master cylinder and says, "Interesting! We got something up front. Maybe
someone could tell me what that is."

   THAT was funny!!! Definitely a car guy! :)

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All,

YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and continues for abo
ut 90 seconds.

[1]Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two

Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double din Kenwoo
d receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.

I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of 11 piece
s of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car consoles, TIG welded, l
aboriously sanded and smoothed prior to chroming.

Larry

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                     Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 18:16:16 -0700
From: theemonkey <theemonkey at yahoo.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] one overlooked pantera sale.
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This is my own personal opinion, but I believe the wheels and seats gave the car a very dated look,which hurt it's value.If it had all black seats,and a classic wheel such as the original gt5 campis?or even a halibrand style it would have gotten a higher price.Sent from an ipotato.?
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   This is my own personal opinion, but I believe the wheels and seats
   gave the car a very dated look,which hurt it's value.

   If it had all black seats,and a classic wheel such as the original gt5
   campis or even a halibrand style it would have gotten a higher price.

   Sent from an ipotato.

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 00:37:20 -0500
From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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?Steve,

You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he had to sell it.  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get $180k for it.

Mike

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> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> ?
> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the major auction houses.  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
>
> I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent further mistakes.
>
>
> Regards,
>
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> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>    Mike,
>>
>>    Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
>>    owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>>    sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
>>    get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
>>    auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
>>    help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>>    intervention.
>>
>>    Julian
>>      __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>    From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>>    Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>>    To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>    Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>>    Julian,
>>    As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I will
>>    believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
>>    my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
>>    evidence to support that contention.
>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>    wrote:
>>    >
>>    >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
>>    surprised the
>>    >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>>    >
>>    >   Julian
>>    >
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>    >
>>    >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>>    >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>>    >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>    >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>    >
>>    >   Julian,
>>    >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
>>    than
>>    >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
>>    >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
>>    >   Mike
>>    >   Sent from my iPad
>>    >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>    >>   wrote:
>>    >>
>>    >>   Mike,
>>    >>
>>    >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
>>    >   of a
>>    >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
>>    >   of
>>    >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
>>    >   only
>>    >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>>    >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>>    >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>>    >   counterparts
>>    >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
>>    >   a
>>    >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>>    >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>>    >>  modified one.
>>    >>
>>    >>  Julian
>>    >>
>>    >   __________________________________________________________________
>>    >>
>>    >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>>    >   of
>>    >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>>    >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>    >>
>>    >>  All,
>>    >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>>    >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>>    >>  This car:
>>    >>  [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178719064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Vza3vNcW21%2Fee7Xbsz8c95f34R5yTv2fLrzRws5Rwt0%3D&reserved=0
>>    >>  Sold for $78k.
>>    >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
>>    >   willing
>>    >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
>>    >   GT5
>>    >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
>>    >   are
>>    >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
>>    >   GT/4
>>    >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>>    >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
>>    >   an
>>    >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
>>    >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
>>    >   world
>>    >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>>    >   really
>>    >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
>>    >   And
>>    >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>>    >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>>    >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>>    >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>>    >>  Mike
>>    >>  Sent from my iPad
>>    >>
>>    >> References
>>    >>
>>    >>  1.
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   Steve,

   You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
   auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
   commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
   had to sell it.  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get
   $180k for it.

   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone

     On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
     wrote:

   I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
   major auction houses.  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
   draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
   I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
   further mistakes.
   Regards,
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
   Direct: 480-442-0297
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
   <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

        Mike,
        Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
     the
        owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
        sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the
     car
        get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
        auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
     will
        help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
        intervention.
        Julian

     __________________________________________________________________
        From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
        To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        Julian,
        As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
     will
        believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
     stand on
        my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
        evidence to support that contention.
        Mike
        Sent from my iPhone
        > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
     <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        wrote:
        >
        >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
        surprised the
        >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
        >
        >   Julian
        >

     __________________________________________________________________
        >
        >   From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
        >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
        >   To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        >
        >   Julian,
        >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
     more
        than
        >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
     one,
        >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
        >   Mike
        >   Sent from my iPad
        >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
     <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        >>   wrote:
        >>
        >>   Mike,
        >>
        >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
     comprised
        >   of a
        >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
     appreciation
        >   of
        >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
     drive it,
        >   only
        >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
     same
        >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
     prepared to
        >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
        >   counterparts
        >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
     biased on
        >   a
        >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
     it's
        >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
     than a
        >>  modified one.
        >>
        >>  Julian
        >>
        >
     __________________________________________________________________
        >>
        >>  From: DeTomaso <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
     on behalf
        >   of
        >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
        >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        >>
        >>  All,
        >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
     in the
        >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
        >>  This car:
        >>
     [1][14]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-panter&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178729016%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=JWuFLwR9cHoRv8B17jbrQJtygYi3VLTVywvVLSGXp8E%3D&reserved=0
     a/
        >>  Sold for $78k.
        >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
     were
        >   willing
        >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
     for a
        >   GT5
        >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for
     years--if you
        >   are
        >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
     GT5-S or
        >   GT/4
        >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
     the
        >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
     for
        >   an
        >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
        >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
     the
        >   world
        >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
        >   really
        >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
     Widebody.
        >   And
        >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
        >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
     to hack
        >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
     would
        >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
     pocket!
        >>  Mike
        >>  Sent from my iPad
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:48:24 +0000
From: Dave McManus <Dave at damardirect.com>
To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Woodward Dream Cruise
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Anyone going to Woodward?
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:48:36 -0700
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes, Lola
T324 Formula Super Vee.  We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but not being
able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with our visual
inspection at the auction.  The engine alone was worth $9K, and we were
able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV that been
modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's.  All the parts were
there, and it drove on to the auction block.  We decided to bid on it,
since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a good class/car
for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our rig as a 3rd car to
take to the races.

Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right before
the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and outbid us, and
another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't going to let that happen.  We
ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes, it cost me over $30,000 to
buy that car.  We got it back to the race shop, and the tub was a
disaster.  It had not been drilled out, bonded, and riveted in decades -
but in fact all the parts were there and the engine ran well.  Many hours
of work later, we had the tub apart, but, we are a very very long way from
having it done.

Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done restoring
the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be worth $25,000, if we
are lucky.  Our investment will be well north of $50,000, not including
shop labor.

That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car we buy
at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because we like
the events and car watching, but have a history of getting caught up in the
moment.  So, I just have to stay away.


Regards,

Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:

> ?
> ?
> ?Steve,
>
> You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
> auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
> commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he had to
> sell it.  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get $180k for
> it.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
> major auction houses.  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
> draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
>
> I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent further
> mistakes.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>    Mike,
>>
>>    Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
>>    owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
>>    sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
>>    get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
>>    auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
>>    help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
>>    intervention.
>>
>>    Julian
>>      __________________________________________________________________
>>
>>    From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>>    Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
>>    To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>    Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>
>>    Julian,
>>    As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I will
>>    believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
>>    my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
>>    evidence to support that contention.
>>    Mike
>>    Sent from my iPhone
>>    > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>    wrote:
>>    >
>>    >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
>>    surprised the
>>    >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
>>    >
>>    >   Julian
>>    >
>>    __________________________________________________________________
>>    >
>>    >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>>    >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
>>    >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>    >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>    >
>>    >   Julian,
>>    >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
>>    than
>>    >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
>>    >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
>>    >   Mike
>>    >   Sent from my iPad
>>    >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>    >>   wrote:
>>    >>
>>    >>   Mike,
>>    >>
>>    >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
>>    >   of a
>>    >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
>>    >   of
>>    >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
>>    >   only
>>    >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
>>    >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
>>    >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
>>    >   counterparts
>>    >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
>>    >   a
>>    >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
>>    >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
>>    >>  modified one.
>>    >>
>>    >>  Julian
>>    >>
>>    >   __________________________________________________________________
>>    >>
>>    >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
>> behalf
>>    >   of
>>    >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
>>    >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
>>    >>
>>    >>  All,
>>    >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
>>    >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
>>    >>  This car:
>>    >>  [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178743950%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=suniZyv5dcaJ3L51pwXE570Byj6PzlA09TyKRwNfHkc%3D&reserved=0
>>    >>  Sold for $78k.
>>    >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
>>    >   willing
>>    >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
>>    >   GT5
>>    >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
>>    >   are
>>    >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
>>    >   GT/4
>>    >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
>>    >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
>>    >   an
>>    >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
>>    >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
>>    >   world
>>    >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
>>    >   really
>>    >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
>>    >   And
>>    >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
>>    >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
>>    >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
>>    >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
>>    >>  Mike
>>    >>  Sent from my iPad
>>    >>
>>    >> References
>>    >>
>>    >>  1.
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   Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes, Lola
   T324 Formula Super Vee.A  We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but not
   being able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with our
   visual inspection at the auction.A  The engine alone was worth $9K, and
   we were able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV that
   been modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's.A  All the
   parts were there, and it drove on to the auction block.A  We decided to
   bid on it, since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a
   good class/car for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our rig
   as a 3rd car to take to the races.A
   Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right
   before the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and
   outbid us, and another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't goingA to
   let that happen.A  We ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes, it
   cost me over $30,000 to buy that car.A  We got it back to the race
   shop, and the tub was a disaster.A  It had not been drilled out,
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   and the engine ran well.A  Many hours of work later, we had the tub
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   Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done
   restoring the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be worth
   $25,000, if we are lucky.A  Our investment will be well north of
   $50,000, not including shop labor.
   That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car we
   buy at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because we
   like the events and car watching, but have a history of getting caught
   up in the moment.A  So, I just have to stay away.A A
   A A
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
   wrote:

   i>>?
   i>>?
   i>>?Steve,
   You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
   auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
   commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
   had to sell it.A  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get
   $180k for it.A
   Mike
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     On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
     wrote:

   i>>?
   I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
   major auction houses.A  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
   draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
   I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
   further mistakes.A  A
   Regards,A
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
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     A  A Mike,
     A  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
     the
     A  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
     A  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
     the car
     A  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
     future
     A  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
     that will
     A  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
     A  A intervention.
     A  A Julian
     A  A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
     A  A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A Julian,
     A  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
     I will
     A  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
     stand on
     A  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
     no
     A  A evidence to support that contention.
     A  A Mike
     A  A Sent from my iPhone
     A  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
     <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A wrote:
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
     just
     A  A surprised the
     A  A >A  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A Julian
     A  A >
     A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A From: Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
     A  A >A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
     A  A >A  A To: Julian Kift <[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A >A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
     <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A >
     A  A >A  A Julian,
     A  A >A  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
     far more
     A  A than
     A  A >A  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
     modified one,
     A  A >A  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
     A  A >A  A Mike
     A  A >A  A Sent from my iPad
     A  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
     <[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A >>A  A wrote:
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  A Mike,
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
     comprised
     A  A >A  A of a
     A  A >>A  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
     appreciation
     A  A >A  A of
     A  A >>A  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
     drive it,
     A  A >A  A only
     A  A >>A  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
     that same
     A  A >>A  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
     prepared to
     A  A >>A  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
     A  A >A  A counterparts
     A  A >>A  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
     biased on
     A  A >A  A a
     A  A >>A  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
     it's
     A  A >>A  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
     than a
     A  A >>A  modified one.
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  Julian
     A  A >>
     A  A >A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  From: DeTomaso
     <[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
     A  A >A  A of
     A  A >>A  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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     A  A >>A  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
     A  A >>A  To: De Tomaso Forum <[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     A  A >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  All,
     A  A >>A  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
     overlooked in the
     A  A >>A  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
     A  A >>A  This car:
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     A  A >>A  Sold for $78k.
     A  A >>A  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
     were
     A  A >A  A willing
     A  A >>A  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
     for a
     A  A >A  A GT5
     A  A >>A  conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
     years--if you
     A  A >A  A are
     A  A >>A  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
     GT5-S or
     A  A >A  A GT/4
     A  A >>A  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
     of the
     A  A >>A  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
     value, for
     A  A >A  A an
     A  A >>A  all-in cost of $40-60k.
     A  A >>A  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
     and the
     A  A >A  A world
     A  A >>A  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
     like a
     A  A >A  A really
     A  A >>A  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
     Widebody.
     A  A >A  A And
     A  A >>A  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
     (and
     A  A >>A  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
     not to hack
     A  A >>A  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
     you would
     A  A >>A  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
     pocket!
     A  A >>A  Mike
     A  A >>A  Sent from my iPad
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   My 2 cents,

   Gentlemen, and any Ladies reading this, which I doubt, it is not always
   about the money - some guys over restore cars and they know they will
   lose money, or as some have said, their wives or kids  will take a bath
   on it someday, so while some are flipping out about dropping dime, to
   many guys, their reaction is - "So what" - anyone that has restored
   cars with todays shop labor rates, and parts prices, know, unless they
   are totally clueless, its a loser, and the present administration is
   aiming to wreck the hobby, incoming...........

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      1. Concorso video (Larry Finch)
      2. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
      3. SORC Footage For Mark Skwarek 1973 Pantera (Jim Wallace)
      4. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Mike Drew)
      5. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Mike Drew)
      6. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Julian Kift)
      7. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (MICHAEL DREW)
      8. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Julian Kift)
      9. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
     10. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Erik Kolstoe)
     11. Concorso video (Garth Rodericks)
     12. Re: one overlooked pantera sale. (theemonkey)
     13. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (MICHAEL DREW)
     14. Woodward Dream Cruise (Dave McManus)
     15. Re: One overlooked Pantera sale (Steve Lisa)
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   Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:38:12 -0700
   From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
   To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso video
   Message-ID: <6B773D0C-1784-4385-A7EB-843267BABA17 at aol.com>
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   All,
   YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
   continues for about 90 seconds.
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   Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double
   din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
   I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of
   11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car
   consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to
   chroming.
   Larry
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      All,
      YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
      continues for about 90 seconds.

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      Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my
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      din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
      I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised
   of
      11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car
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      chroming.
      Larry
      Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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   Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:28:39 -0700
   From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
   Cc: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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   A lot of this sentiment is one of the reasons we built a Group 3 racer
   without the flares etc (and saved all of the original parts -- every
   last
   one).  I looked for a long time for the perfect car to convert to racer
   --
   and Asa Jay had it.  If desired, it can be put back to stock
   pretty easily.  Had I not found Asa Jay's car, I would have probably
   bought
   two cars -- one in need of repair to be built into the racer (at which
   point we might have gone the Group 4 route) and one to drive on the
   street.
   Regards,
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:57 AM Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
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   > Mile,
   >
   > While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it
   as a
   > scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned by
   investors
   > who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest for future
   flip.
   > And yes, they will to a degree drive future market. But, what does
   the
   > direct sale market look like? How do you explain the Ring Brothers
   car?
   >
   > As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I
   have
   > passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or may
   not
   > ever be priced at the top of the market. I?m ok with that. My kids
   can
   > figure out what to do with it after I?m gone.
   >
   > Nathan Giles
   >
   > > On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
   > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   > >
   > > ?   All,
   > >
   > >   There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
   the
   > >   Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   > >
   > >   This car:
   > >
   > >
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   > >   Sold for $78k.
   > >
   > >   Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
   willing
   > >   to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
   GT5
   > >   conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if
   you are
   > >   considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
   GT/4
   > >   configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
   > >   conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
   an
   > >   all-in cost of $40-60k.
   > >
   > >   If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
   world
   > >   a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   really
   > >   nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
   Widebody. And
   > >   it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   > >   deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
   hack
   > >   your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
   would
   > >   likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
   pocket!
   > >
   > >   Mike
   > >   Sent from my iPad
   > >
   > > References
   > >
   > >   1.
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      A lot of this sentiment is one of the reasons we built a Group 3
   racer
      without the flares etc (and saved all of the original parts -- every
      last one).A  I looked for a long time for the perfect car to convert
   to
      racer -- and Asa Jay had it.A  If desired, it can be put back to
   stock
      prettyA easily.A  Had I not foundA Asa Jay's car, I would have
   probably
      bought two cars -- one in need of repair to be built into the racer
   (at
      which point we might have gone the Group 4 route) and one to drive
   on
      the street.
      A  A  A A
      Regards,A
      Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
      The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
      Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
      Direct: 480-442-0297

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      On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 8:57 AM Nathan Giles
   <[2]nathan.giles at ex3.com>
      wrote:
        Mile,
        While your case may be true for recent auction results I question
   it
        as a scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned
        by investors who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to
   invest
        for future flip. And yes, they will to a degree drive future
   market.
        But, what does the direct sale market look like? How do you
   explain
        the Ring Brothers car?
        As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I
        have passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may
   or
        may not ever be priced at the top of the market. Iam ok with that.
        My kids can figure out what to do with it after Iam gone.
        Nathan Giles
        > On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
        <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
        >
        > i>>?A  A All,
        >
        >A  A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
   in
        the
        >A  A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
        >
        >A  A This car:
        >
        >A
        A
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        >A  A Sold for $78k.
        >
        >A  A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
        were willing
        >A  A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
   for
        a GT5
        >A  A conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
        years--if you are
        >A  A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
   GT5-S
        or GT/4
        >A  A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
        the
        >A  A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
   value,
        for an
        >A  A all-in cost of $40-60k.
        >
        >A  A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
        the world
        >A  A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like
   a
        really
        >A  A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
        Widebody. And
        >A  A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
        >A  A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
   to
        hack
        >A  A your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
   you
        would
        >A  A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
        pocket!
        >
        >A  A Mike
        >A  A Sent from my iPad
        >
        > References
        >
        >A  A 1.

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   Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:25:42 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
   To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] SORC Footage For Mark Skwarek 1973 Pantera
   Message-ID: <468065323.1566432.1629314742325 at mail.yahoo.com>
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   SORC Race Saturday......move ahead to 1 hour and fifty minutes to see
   Marks Car launch off the line.
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      SORC Race Saturday......move ahead to 1 hour and fifty minutes to
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      [1]SORC 2021 from Arnold, NE
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                             SORC 2021 from Arnold, NE
      Loop To Loop Race ........look at 1 hour and 38 seconds.....be
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   Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:32:21 -0400
   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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   Julian,
   Uh?that?s exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than a
   modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one, don?t
   wreck an unmodified one.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > ?   Mike,
   >
   >   The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
   of a
   >   heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
   of
   >   the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
   only
   >   it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
   >   token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
   >   shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   counterparts
   >   due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
   a
   >   very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
   >   predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
   >   modified one.
   >
   >   Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
   >   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >   To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >
   >   All,
   >   There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
   >   Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >   This car:
   >
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   >   Sold for $78k.
   >   Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
   willing
   >   to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
   GT5
   >   conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
   are
   >   considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
   GT/4
   >   configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
   >   conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
   an
   >   all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >   If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
   world
   >   a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   really
   >   nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
   And
   >   it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >   deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
   >   your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
   >   likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
   >   Mike
   >   Sent from my iPad
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   Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:36:03 -0400
   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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   Nathan,
   The Ring Brothers car? That thing is a disaster. I think somebody may
   have bought it (or they had somebody buy it to save face). Who has seen
   it since?
   Remember when the Gas Monkey Garage idiots essentially totaled a
   Pantera by hacking it up and putting a six-cylinder engine in it? It
   proved to be completely unsellable.
   I have no objection to modified cars today. My point is that if one
   wants one, one should buy one, not build it.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:57, Nathan Giles <nathan.giles at ex3.com> wrote:
   >
   > ?Mile,
   >
   > While your case may be true for recent auction results I question it
   as a scientific result. The recent spat of high prices are spawned by
   investors who know nothing of the Pantera, only seeking to invest for
   future flip. And yes, they will to a degree drive future market. But,
   what does the direct sale market look like? How do you explain the Ring
   Brothers car?
   >
   > As you may know my car is highly modified. I have zero regrets. I
   have passion for these cars and their history. And frankly it may or
   may not ever be priced at the top of the market. I?m ok with that. My
   kids can figure out what to do with it after I?m gone.
   >
   > Nathan Giles
   >
   >> On Aug 18, 2021, at 07:20, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> ?   All,
   >>
   >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
   >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >>
   >>  This car:
   >>
   >>
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   >>
   >>  Sold for $78k.
   >>
   >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
   willing
   >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
   GT5
   >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
   are
   >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
   GT/4
   >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
   >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
   an
   >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >>
   >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
   world
   >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   really
   >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
   And
   >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
   >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
   >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
   >>
   >>  Mike
   >>  Sent from my iPad
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >>  1.
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   Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:46:14 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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   Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised the
   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much ?
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   Julian,
   Uh?that?s exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more than a
   modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one, don?t
   wreck an unmodified one.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > ?   Mike,
   >
   >   The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
   of a
   >   heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
   of
   >   the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
   only
   >   it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
   >   token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
   >   shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   counterparts
   >   due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
   a
   >   very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
   >   predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
   >   modified one.
   >
   >   Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
   >   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >   To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >
   >   All,
   >   There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
   >   Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >   This car:
   >
   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
   .mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
   4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
   aaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178644392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM
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   ata=jbpVUTMQd047YcOHQi2Sh3ROC2vq%2Bf%2FE9L5lC4P8d4w%3D&reserved=0
   >   Sold for $78k.
   >   Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
   willing
   >   to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
   GT5
   >   conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
   are
   >   considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
   GT/4
   >   configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
   >   conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
   an
   >   all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >   If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
   world
   >   a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   really
   >   nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
   And
   >   it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >   deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
   >   your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
   >   likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
   >   Mike
   >   Sent from my iPad
   >
   > References
   >
   >   1.
   [30]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
   w.mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=
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      Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just surprised
   the
      lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
      To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
      Julian,
      Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
   than
      a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
      don't wreck an unmodified one.
      Mike
      Sent from my iPad
      > On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      wrote:
      >
      >    Mike,
      >
      >   The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
   comprised
      of a
      >   heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
   appreciation
      of
      >   the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive
   it,
      only
      >   it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
   same
      >   token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared
   to
      >   shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
      counterparts
      >   due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased
   on
      a
      >   very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
      >   predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
      >   modified one.
      >
      >   Julian
      >
      __________________________________________________________________
      >
      >   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
      of
      >   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
      >   To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      >   Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
      >
      >   All,
      >   There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
   the
      >   Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
      >   This car:
      >
   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
   .mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
   4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
   aaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM
   C4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sd
   ata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
      >   Sold for $78k.
      >   Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
      willing
      >   to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
      GT5
      >   conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if
   you
      are
      >   considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S
   or
      GT/4
      >   configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
      >   conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
   for
      an
      >   all-in cost of $40-60k.
      >   If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
      world
      >   a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
      really
      >   nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
   Widebody.
      And
      >   it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
      >   deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
   hack
      >   your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
   would
      >   likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
   pocket!
      >   Mike
      >   Sent from my iPad
      >
      > References
      >
      >   1.

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   Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:42:33 -0400
   From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   Message-ID: <F8FB4561-50BA-4025-AE6D-F27422DF2972 at aol.com>
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   Julian,
   As for the lime green car, I?m not convinced it actually sold. I will
   believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
   my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
   evidence to support that contention.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > ?   Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
   surprised the
   >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
   >
   >   Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >
   >   Julian,
   >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
   than
   >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
   >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
   >   Mike
   >   Sent from my iPad
   >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>   wrote:
   >>
   >>   Mike,
   >>
   >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
   >   of a
   >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
   >   of
   >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
   >   only
   >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
   >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
   >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   >   counterparts
   >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
   >   a
   >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
   >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
   >>  modified one.
   >>
   >>  Julian
   >>
   >   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   >   of
   >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>
   >>  All,
   >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
   >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >>  This car:
   >>
   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
   .mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
   4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
   aaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637649856178649369%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM
   C4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sd
   ata=HuzaS8rWvXjdqb8qKZupZY%2Btf62Dt4HTb0bxgyK93II%3D&reserved=0
   >>  Sold for $78k.
   >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
   >   willing
   >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
   >   GT5
   >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
   >   are
   >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
   >   GT/4
   >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
   >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
   >   an
   >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
   >   world
   >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   >   really
   >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
   >   And
   >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
   >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
   >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
   >>  Mike
   >>  Sent from my iPad
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >>  1.
   >
   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
   .mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
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   Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 20:50:27 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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   Mike,
   Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
   owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
   sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
   get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
   auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that will
   help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
   intervention.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   Julian,
   As for the lime green car, I?m not convinced it actually sold. I will
   believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand on
   my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
   evidence to support that contention.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > ?   Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
   surprised the
   >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
   >
   >   Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >
   >   Julian,
   >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far more
   than
   >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified one,
   >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
   >   Mike
   >   Sent from my iPad
   >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>   wrote:
   >>
   >>   Mike,
   >>
   >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now comprised
   >   of a
   >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no appreciation
   >   of
   >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive it,
   >   only
   >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that same
   >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared to
   >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   >   counterparts
   >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased on
   >   a
   >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
   >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
   >>  modified one.
   >>
   >>  Julian
   >>
   >   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   >   of
   >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>
   >>  All,
   >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in the
   >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >>  This car:
   >>
   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
   .mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
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   >>  Sold for $78k.
   >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
   >   willing
   >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
   >   GT5
   >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if you
   >   are
   >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S or
   >   GT/4
   >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
   >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value, for
   >   an
   >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
   >   world
   >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   >   really
   >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister Widebody.
   >   And
   >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to hack
   >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you would
   >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your pocket!
   >>  Mike
   >>  Sent from my iPad
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >>  1.
   >
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      Mike,
      Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out the
      owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
      sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the car
      get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
      auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
   will
      help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
      intervention.
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
      To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
      Julian,
      As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
   will
      believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will stand
   on
      my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
      evidence to support that contention.
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
      > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      wrote:
      >
      >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
      surprised the
      >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
      >
      >   Julian
      >
      __________________________________________________________________
      >
      >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
      >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
      >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
      >
      >   Julian,
      >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
   more
      than
      >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
   one,
      >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
      >   Mike
      >   Sent from my iPad
      >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      >>   wrote:
      >>
      >>   Mike,
      >>
      >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
   comprised
      >   of a
      >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
   appreciation
      >   of
      >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive
   it,
      >   only
      >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
   same
      >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are prepared
   to
      >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
      >   counterparts
      >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little biased
   on
      >   a
      >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think it's
      >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than a
      >>  modified one.
      >>
      >>  Julian
      >>
      >
   __________________________________________________________________
      >>
      >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
      >   of
      >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
      >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
      >>
      >>  All,
      >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
   the
      >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
      >>  This car:
      >>
   [1]https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
   .mecum.com%2Flots%2FCA0821-481041%2F1972-detomaso-pantera%2F&data=0
   4%7C01%7C%7C27767306b50c4917d55408d9632a6d99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaa
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   ata=Ek2%2F0FGuWjwZcE88ouRG7R1R2BIlkioBUE0bfsdL9bc%3D&reserved=0
      >>  Sold for $78k.
      >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people were
      >   willing
      >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for a
      >   GT5
      >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if
   you
      >   are
      >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S
   or
      >   GT/4
      >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of the
      >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
   for
      >   an
      >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
      >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and the
      >   world
      >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
      >   really
      >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
   Widebody.
      >   And
      >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
      >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
   hack
      >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
   would
      >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
   pocket!
      >>  Mike
      >>  Sent from my iPad
      >>
      >> References
      >>
      >>  1.
      >
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   Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:56:15 -0700
   From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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   I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
   further
   mistakes.
   Regards,
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >    Mike,
   >
   >    Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
   the
   >    owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
   >    sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the
   car
   >    get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
   >    auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
   will
   >    help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
   >    intervention.
   >
   >    Julian
   >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >
   >    From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >    Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
   >    To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >    Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >
   >    Julian,
   >    As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
   will
   >    believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
   stand on
   >    my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
   >    evidence to support that contention.
   >    Mike
   >    Sent from my iPhone
   >    > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >    wrote:
   >    >
   >    >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
   >    surprised the
   >    >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
   >    >
   >    >   Julian
   >    >
   >    __________________________________________________________________
   >    >
   >    >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >    >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   >    >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >    >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >    >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >    >
   >    >   Julian,
   >    >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
   more
   >    than
   >    >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
   one,
   >    >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
   >    >   Mike
   >    >   Sent from my iPad
   >    >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >    >>   wrote:
   >    >>
   >    >>   Mike,
   >    >>
   >    >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
   comprised
   >    >   of a
   >    >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
   appreciation
   >    >   of
   >    >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually drive
   it,
   >    >   only
   >    >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
   same
   >    >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
   prepared to
   >    >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   >    >   counterparts
   >    >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
   biased on
   >    >   a
   >    >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
   it's
   >    >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more than
   a
   >    >>  modified one.
   >    >>
   >    >>  Julian
   >    >>
   >    >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >    >>
   >    >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   >    >   of
   >    >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >    >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >    >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >    >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >    >>
   >    >>  All,
   >    >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked in
   the
   >    >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >    >>  This car:
   >    >>
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   >    >>  Sold for $78k.
   >    >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
   were
   >    >   willing
   >    >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay for
   a
   >    >   GT5
   >    >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for years--if
   you
   >    >   are
   >    >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or GT5-S
   or
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   >    >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
   the
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   for
   >    >   an
   >    >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >    >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
   the
   >    >   world
   >    >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   >    >   really
   >    >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
   Widebody.
   >    >   And
   >    >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >    >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not to
   hack
   >    >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
   would
   >    >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
   pocket!
   >    >>  Mike
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      I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
   the
      major auction houses.A  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
   which
      draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
      I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
      further mistakes.A  A
      Regards,A
      Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
      The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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      On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
      <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
        A  A Mike,
        A  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid
   out
        the
        A  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had
   no
        A  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
        the car
        A  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
        future
        A  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
        that will
        A  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
        A  A intervention.
        A  A Julian
        A  A
        A
   __________________________________________________________________
        A  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
        A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
        A  A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        A  A Julian,
        A  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually
   sold.
        I will
        A  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I
   will
        stand on
        A  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
   admittedly
        no
        A  A evidence to support that contention.
        A  A Mike
        A  A Sent from my iPhone
        A  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
        <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A wrote:
        A  A >
        A  A >A  A  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
        just
        A  A surprised the
        A  A >A  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
        A  A >
        A  A >A  A Julian
        A  A >
        A
        A
   __________________________________________________________________
        A  A >
        A  A >A  A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
        A  A >A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
        A  A >A  A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A >A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
   <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        A  A >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        A  A >
        A  A >A  A Julian,
        A  A >A  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is
   worth
        far more
        A  A than
        A  A >A  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
        modified one,
        A  A >A  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
        A  A >A  A Mike
        A  A >A  A Sent from my iPad
        A  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
        <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A >>A  A wrote:
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  A Mike,
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
        comprised
        A  A >A  A of a
        A  A >>A  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
        appreciation
        A  A >A  A of
        A  A >>A  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
        drive it,
        A  A >A  A only
        A  A >>A  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
        that same
        A  A >>A  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
        prepared to
        A  A >>A  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow
   body
        A  A >A  A counterparts
        A  A >>A  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
        biased on
        A  A >A  A a
        A  A >>A  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I
   think
        it's
        A  A >>A  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth
   more
        than a
        A  A >>A  modified one.
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  Julian
        A  A >>
        A  A >A
        A
   __________________________________________________________________
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  From: DeTomaso
        <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
        A  A >A  A of
        A  A >>A  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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        A  A >>A  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
        A  A >>A  To: De Tomaso Forum
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        A  A >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  All,
        A  A >>A  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
        overlooked in the
        A  A >>A  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
        A  A >>A  This car:
        A  A >>A

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        A  A >>A  Sold for $78k.
        A  A >>A  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction,
   people
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        A  A >A  A willing
        A  A >>A  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would
   pay
        for a
        A  A >A  A GT5
        A  A >>A  conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
        years--if you
        A  A >A  A are
        A  A >>A  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
        GT5-S or
        A  A >A  A GT/4
        A  A >>A  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+
   cost
        of the
        A  A >>A  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
        value, for
        A  A >A  A an
        A  A >>A  all-in cost of $40-60k.
        A  A >>A  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
        and the
        A  A >A  A world
        A  A >>A  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
        like a
        A  A >A  A really
        A  A >>A  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
        Widebody.
        A  A >A  A And
        A  A >>A  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
        (and
        A  A >>A  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
        not to hack
        A  A >>A  your car and instead sold it and bought one already
   done,
        you would
        A  A >>A  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in
   your
        pocket!
        A  A >>A  Mike
        A  A >>A  Sent from my iPad
        A  A >>
        A  A >> References
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  1.
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   Message: 10
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:25:12 -0700
   From: Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com>
   To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Cc: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   Message-ID:

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   >From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions at
   all.
   I'm still completely baffled by all the buzz around them. There is
   nothing
   in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you don't get to
   thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on an unknown
   peanut
   gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and questionable
   videos,
   or to an auction house.
   I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion
   with
   someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer that they
   either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the effort
   you
   put into it.
   my 2 cents...I must be getting old ?
   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   wrote:
   >    I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
   the
   >    major auction houses.A  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
   which
   >    draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A
   A
   >    I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
   >    further mistakes.A  A
   >    Regards,A
   >    Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   >    The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
   >    Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
   >    Direct: 480-442-0297
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   >    On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
   >    <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >      A  A Mike,
   >      A  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid
   out
   >      the
   >      A  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they
   had no
   >      A  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to
   help
   >      the car
   >      A  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
   >      future
   >      A  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
   >      that will
   >      A  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
   >      A  A intervention.
   >      A  A Julian
   >      A  A
   >      A
   __________________________________________________________________
   >      A  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >      A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
   >      A  A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >      A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >      A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >      A  A Julian,
   >      A  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually
   sold.
   >      I will
   >      A  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I
   will
   >      stand on
   >      A  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
   admittedly
   >      no
   >      A  A evidence to support that contention.
   >      A  A Mike
   >      A  A Sent from my iPhone
   >      A  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
   >      <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >      A  A wrote:
   >      A  A >
   >      A  A >A  A  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
   >      just
   >      A  A surprised the
   >      A  A >A  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
   >      A  A >
   >      A  A >A  A Julian
   >      A  A >
   >      A
   >      A
   __________________________________________________________________
   >      A  A >
   >      A  A >A  A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >      A  A >A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   >      A  A >A  A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >      A  A >A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
   <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >      A  A >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >      A  A >
   >      A  A >A  A Julian,
   >      A  A >A  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is
   worth
   >      far more
   >      A  A than
   >      A  A >A  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
   >      modified one,
   >      A  A >A  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
   >      A  A >A  A Mike
   >      A  A >A  A Sent from my iPad
   >      A  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
   >      <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >      A  A >>A  A wrote:
   >      A  A >>
   >      A  A >>A  A Mike,
   >      A  A >>
   >      A  A >>A  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are
   now
   >      comprised
   >      A  A >A  A of a
   >      A  A >>A  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
   >      appreciation
   >      A  A >A  A of
   >      A  A >>A  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to
   actually
   >      drive it,
   >      A  A >A  A only
   >      A  A >>A  it's originality and potential for investment growth.
   By
   >      that same
   >      A  A >>A  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars
   are
   >      prepared to
   >      A  A >>A  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow
   body
   >      A  A >A  A counterparts
   >      A  A >>A  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a
   little
   >      biased on
   >      A  A >A  A a
   >      A  A >>A  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I
   think
   >      it's
   >      A  A >>A  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth
   more
   >      than a
   >      A  A >>A  modified one.
   >      A  A >>
   >      A  A >>A  Julian
   >      A  A >>
   >      A  A >A
   >      A
   __________________________________________________________________
   >      A  A >>
   >      A  A >>A  From: DeTomaso
   >      <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   >      A  A >A  A of
   >      A  A >>A  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   >      <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >      A  A >>A  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >      A  A >>A  To: De Tomaso Forum
   <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >      A  A >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >      A  A >>
   >      A  A >>A  All,
   >      A  A >>A  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
   >      overlooked in the
   >      A  A >>A  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the
   app:
   >      A  A >>A  This car:
   >      A  A >>A
   >
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   >      A  A >>A  Sold for $78k.
   >      A  A >>A  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction,
   people
   >      were
   >      A  A >A  A willing
   >      A  A >>A  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would
   pay
   >      for a
   >      A  A >A  A GT5
   >      A  A >>A  conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
   >      years--if you
   >      A  A >A  A are
   >      A  A >>A  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5
   or
   >      GT5-S or
   >      A  A >A  A GT/4
   >      A  A >>A  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+
   cost
   >      of the
   >      A  A >>A  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
   >      value, for
   >      A  A >A  A an
   >      A  A >>A  all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >      A  A >>A  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do
   yourself
   >      and the
   >      A  A >A  A world
   >      A  A >>A  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
   >      like a
   >      A  A >A  A really
   >      A  A >>A  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy,
   Mister
   >      Widebody.
   >      A  A >A  A And
   >      A  A >>A  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much
   larger
   >      (and
   >      A  A >>A  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you
   chose
   >      not to hack
   >      A  A >>A  your car and instead sold it and bought one already
   done,
   >      you would
   >      A  A >>A  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in
   your
   >      pocket!
   >      A  A >>A  Mike
   >      A  A >>A  Sent from my iPad
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   >      A  A >> References
   >      A  A >>
   >      A  A >>A  1.
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      From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions
   at
      all. I'm still completelyA baffled by all the buzz around them.
   There
      is nothing in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you
      don't get to thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on
   an
      unknownA peanut gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and
      questionable videos, or to an auction house.
      I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion
      with someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer
   that
      they either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the
      effort you put into it.
      my 2 cents...I must be getting oldA d-
      On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa
   <[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
      wrote:
        A  A I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying
   cars
        at the
        A  A major auction houses.AA  I think the exception is Bring A
        Trailer, which
        A  A draws comments and history for the cars from those that know
        it.A A
        A  A I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help
        prevent
        A  A further mistakes.AA  A
        A  A Regards,A
        A  A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
        A  A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
        A  A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
        A  A Direct: 480-442-0297
        A  A
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        480.535.6628A
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        A  A This email is intended only for the recipient above and may
        contain
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        email in
        A  A error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to
        me. Thank
        A  A you.
        A  A On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
        A  A <[2][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
        A  A  A AA  A Mike,
        A  A  A AA  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with!
   Having
        paid out
        A  A  A the
        A  A  A AA  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications'
        they had no
        A  A  A AA  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason
        to help
        A  A  A the car
        A  A  A AA  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up
        in a
        A  A  A future
        A  A  A AA  A auction having now established a fictitious
   perceived
        value
        A  A  A that will
        A  A  A AA  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would
   without
        that
        A  A  A AA  A intervention.
        A  A  A AA  A Julian
        A  A  A AA  A
        A  A  A A
        __________________________________________________________________
        A  A  A AA  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3][4]mikeldrew at aol.com>
        A  A  A AA  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
        A  A  A AA  A To: Julian Kift <[4][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A  A AA  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
        <[5][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        A  A  A AA  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        A  A  A AA  A Julian,
        A  A  A AA  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it
        actually sold.
        A  A  A I will
        A  A  A AA  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until
        then I will
        A  A  A stand on
        A  A  A AA  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
        admittedly
        A  A  A no
        A  A  A AA  A evidence to support that contention.
        A  A  A AA  A Mike
        A  A  A AA  A Sent from my iPhone
        A  A  A AA  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
        A  A  A <[6][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A  A AA  A wrote:
        A  A  A AA  A >
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  AA  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close
        enough. I'm
        A  A  A just
        A  A  A AA  A surprised the
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so
   much
        A  A  A AA  A >
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Julian
        A  A  A AA  A >
        A  A  A A
        A  A  A A
        __________________________________________________________________
        A  A  A AA  A >
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A From: Mike Drew <[7][8]mikeldrew at aol.com>
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A To: Julian Kift
   <[8][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
        <[9][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked
   Pantera
        sale
        A  A  A AA  A >
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Julian,
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original
        car is worth
        A  A  A far more
        A  A  A AA  A than
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A a modified one. So if you want a modified
   one,
        buy a
        A  A  A modified one,
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Mike
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A Sent from my iPad
        A  A  A AA  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
        A  A  A <[10][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  A wrote:
        A  A  A AA  A >>
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  A Mike,
        A  A  A AA  A >>
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak
   of
        are now
        A  A  A comprised
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A of a
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  heavy contingent of investors, who have little
        to no
        A  A  A appreciation
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A of
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire
   to
        actually
        A  A  A drive it,
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A only
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  it's originality and potential for investment
        growth. By
        A  A  A that same
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S
        cars are
        A  A  A prepared to
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their
        narrow body
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A counterparts
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  due to originality plus rarity. Your case
   seems
        a little
        A  A  A biased on
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A a
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  very small snapshot of the market, and
        ultimately, I think
        A  A  A it's
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is
        worth more
        A  A  A than a
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  modified one.
        A  A  A AA  A >>
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Julian
        A  A  A AA  A >>
        A  A  A AA  A >A
        A  A  A A
        __________________________________________________________________
        A  A  A AA  A >>
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  From: DeTomaso
        A  A  A <[11][12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A of
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
        A  A  A <[12][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  To: De Tomaso Forum
        <[13][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera
   sale
        A  A  A AA  A >>
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  All,
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably
   was
        A  A  A overlooked in the
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in
        the app:
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  This car:
        A  A  A AA  A >>A
        A  A
        A
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        panter
        A  A  A a/
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Sold for $78k.
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same
        auction, people
        A  A  A were
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A willing
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than
   they
        would pay
        A  A  A for a
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A GT5
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  conversion!AA  This just highlights what I've
        said for
        A  A  A years--if you
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A are
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it
        to GT5 or
        A  A  A GT5-S or
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A GT/4
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  configuration, you have to realize that the
        $20-30k+ cost
        A  A  A of the
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k
        LOSS in
        A  A  A value, for
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A an
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  all-in cost of $40-60k.
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera,
   do
        yourself
        A  A  A and the
        A  A  A AA  A >AA  A world
        A  A  A AA  A >>AA  a favor and buy one already done like this.
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        A  A  A Widebody.
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   Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
   To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,  Larry
           Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Concorso video
   Message-ID: <161039051.2004746.1629322528315 at mail.yahoo.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Hahahaha! I love when he looks in your front trunk at the brake booster
   and master cylinder and says, "Interesting! We got something up front.
   Maybe someone could tell me what that is."
   THAT was funny!!! Definitely a car guy! :)
   --- original message ---
   All,
   YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
   continues for about 90 seconds.
   Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two
   Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double
   din Kenwood receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
   I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of
   11 pieces of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car
   consoles, TIG welded, laboriously sanded and smoothed prior to
   chroming.
   Larry
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   Hahahaha! I love when he looks in your front trunk at the brake booster
   and
   master cylinder and says, "Interesting! We got something up front.
   Maybe
   someone could tell me what that is."
      THAT was funny!!! Definitely a car guy! :)
   --- original message ---
   All,
   YouTube video, Pantera coverage starts at five minute mark and
   continues for abo
   ut 90 seconds.
   [1]Car Week Concorso Italiano Part Two
   Gentlemen filming noticed my silver 2511, even pointing out my double
   din Kenwoo
   d receiver, which is one of my favorite upgrades.
   I am especially proud of the center console trim, which is comprised of
   11 piece
   s of the OEM chromed brass channel used on the early car consoles, TIG
   welded, l
   aboriously sanded and smoothed prior to chroming.
   Larry
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   Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 18:16:16 -0700
   From: theemonkey <theemonkey at yahoo.com>
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] one overlooked pantera sale.
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   This is my own personal opinion, but I believe the wheels and seats
   gave the car a very dated look,which hurt it's value.If it had all
   black seats,and a classic wheel such as the original gt5 campis?or even
   a halibrand style it would have gotten a higher price.Sent from an
   ipotato.?
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      This is my own personal opinion, but I believe the wheels and seats
      gave the car a very dated look,which hurt it's value.
      If it had all black seats,and a classic wheel such as the original
   gt5
      campis or even a halibrand style it would have gotten a higher
   price.
      Sent from an ipotato.
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   Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 00:37:20 -0500
   From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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   ?Steve,
   You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by free
   auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
   commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
   had to sell it.  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get
   $180k for it.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
   > ?
   > I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
   the major auction houses.  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
   which draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
   >
   > I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
   further mistakes.
   >
   >
   > Regards,
   >
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   > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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   > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >>    Mike,
   >>
   >>    Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
   the
   >>    owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
   >>    sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the
   car
   >>    get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
   >>    auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
   will
   >>    help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
   >>    intervention.
   >>
   >>    Julian
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>    From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >>    Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
   >>    To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>    Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>
   >>    Julian,
   >>    As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
   will
   >>    believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
   stand on
   >>    my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
   >>    evidence to support that contention.
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>    wrote:
   >>    >
   >>    >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
   >>    surprised the
   >>    >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
   >>    >
   >>    >   Julian
   >>    >
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>    >
   >>    >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >>    >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   >>    >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>    >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>    >
   >>    >   Julian,
   >>    >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
   more
   >>    than
   >>    >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
   one,
   >>    >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
   >>    >   Mike
   >>    >   Sent from my iPad
   >>    >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>    >>   wrote:
   >>    >>
   >>    >>   Mike,
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
   comprised
   >>    >   of a
   >>    >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
   appreciation
   >>    >   of
   >>    >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
   drive it,
   >>    >   only
   >>    >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
   same
   >>    >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
   prepared to
   >>    >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   >>    >   counterparts
   >>    >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
   biased on
   >>    >   a
   >>    >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
   it's
   >>    >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
   than a
   >>    >>  modified one.
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  Julian
   >>    >>
   >>    >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   >>    >   of
   >>    >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >>    >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  All,
   >>    >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
   in the
   >>    >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >>    >>  This car:
   >>    >>
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   >>    >>  Sold for $78k.
   >>    >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
   were
   >>    >   willing
   >>    >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
   for a
   >>    >   GT5
   >>    >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for
   years--if you
   >>    >   are
   >>    >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
   GT5-S or
   >>    >   GT/4
   >>    >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
   the
   >>    >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
   for
   >>    >   an
   >>    >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >>    >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
   the
   >>    >   world
   >>    >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   >>    >   really
   >>    >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
   Widebody.
   >>    >   And
   >>    >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >>    >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
   to hack
   >>    >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
   would
   >>    >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
   pocket!
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      Steve,
      You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by
   free
      auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
      commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
      had to sell it.  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to
   get
      $180k for it.
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
        On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
        wrote:
      I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
   the
      major auction houses.  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
   which
      draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
      I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
      further mistakes.
      Regards,
      Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
      The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
      Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
      Direct: 480-442-0297

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           Mike,
           Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
        the
           owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
           sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
   the
        car
           get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
   future
           auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
   that
        will
           help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
           intervention.
           Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
           From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
           Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
           To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
           Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
           Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
           Julian,
           As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
   I
        will
           believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
        stand on
           my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
   no
           evidence to support that contention.
           Mike
           Sent from my iPhone
           > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
        <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
           wrote:
           >
           >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
           surprised the
           >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
           >
           >   Julian
           >
        __________________________________________________________________
           >
           >   From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
           >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
           >   To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
           >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
           >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
           >
           >   Julian,
           >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
   far
        more
           than
           >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
   modified
        one,
           >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
           >   Mike
           >   Sent from my iPad
           >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
        <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
           >>   wrote:
           >>
           >>   Mike,
           >>
           >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
        comprised
           >   of a
           >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
        appreciation
           >   of
           >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
        drive it,
           >   only
           >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
   that
        same
           >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
        prepared to
           >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
           >   counterparts
           >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
        biased on
           >   a
           >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
        it's
           >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
        than a
           >>  modified one.
           >>
           >>  Julian
           >>
           >
        __________________________________________________________________
           >>
           >>  From: DeTomaso
   <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
        on behalf
           >   of
           >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
           >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
           >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
           >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
           >>
           >>  All,
           >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
        in the
           >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
           >>  This car:
           >>

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           >>  Sold for $78k.
           >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
        were
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           >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
        for a
           >   GT5
           >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for
        years--if you
           >   are
           >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
        GT5-S or
           >   GT/4
           >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
   of
        the
           >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
   value,
        for
           >   an
           >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
           >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
   and
        the
           >   world
           >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like
   a
           >   really
           >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
        Widebody.
           >   And
           >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
   (and
           >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
        to hack
           >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
   you
        would
           >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
        pocket!
           >>  Mike
           >>  Sent from my iPad
           >>
           >> References
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   Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:48:24 +0000
   From: Dave McManus <Dave at damardirect.com>
   To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Woodward Dream Cruise
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   Anyone going to Woodward?
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   Message: 15
   Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:48:36 -0700
   From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
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   Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes, Lola
   T324 Formula Super Vee.  We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but not
   being
   able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with our
   visual
   inspection at the auction.  The engine alone was worth $9K, and we were
   able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV that been
   modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's.  All the parts
   were
   there, and it drove on to the auction block.  We decided to bid on it,
   since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a good
   class/car
   for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our rig as a 3rd car to
   take to the races.
   Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right
   before
   the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and outbid us,
   and
   another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't going to let that happen.
   We
   ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes, it cost me over $30,000
   to
   buy that car.  We got it back to the race shop, and the tub was a
   disaster.  It had not been drilled out, bonded, and riveted in decades
   -
   but in fact all the parts were there and the engine ran well.  Many
   hours
   of work later, we had the tub apart, but, we are a very very long way
   from
   having it done.
   Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done
   restoring
   the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be worth $25,000, if
   we
   are lucky.  Our investment will be well north of $50,000, not including
   shop labor.
   That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car we
   buy
   at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because we
   like
   the events and car watching, but have a history of getting caught up in
   the
   moment.  So, I just have to stay away.
   Regards,
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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   On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
   > ?
   > ?
   > ?Steve,
   >
   > You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by
   free
   > auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
   > commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
   had to
   > sell it.  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to get $180k
   for
   > it.
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
   >
   > ?
   > I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
   the
   > major auction houses.  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
   which
   > draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.
   >
   > I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
   further
   > mistakes.
   >
   >
   > Regards,
   >
   > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   > *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC*
   > Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
   > Direct: 480-442-0297
   >
   >
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   > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   > wrote:
   >
   >>    Mike,
   >>
   >>    Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
   the
   >>    owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
   >>    sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help the
   car
   >>    get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a future
   >>    auction having now established a fictitious perceived value that
   will
   >>    help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
   >>    intervention.
   >>
   >>    Julian
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>    From: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >>    Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
   >>    To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>    Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>
   >>    Julian,
   >>    As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold. I
   will
   >>    believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
   stand on
   >>    my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly no
   >>    evidence to support that contention.
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>    wrote:
   >>    >
   >>    >    Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm just
   >>    surprised the
   >>    >   lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
   >>    >
   >>    >   Julian
   >>    >
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>    >
   >>    >   From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >>    >   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
   >>    >   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>    >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>    >
   >>    >   Julian,
   >>    >   Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth far
   more
   >>    than
   >>    >   a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a modified
   one,
   >>    >   don't wreck an unmodified one.
   >>    >   Mike
   >>    >   Sent from my iPad
   >>    >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   >>    >>   wrote:
   >>    >>
   >>    >>   Mike,
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
   comprised
   >>    >   of a
   >>    >>  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
   appreciation
   >>    >   of
   >>    >>  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
   drive it,
   >>    >   only
   >>    >>  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By that
   same
   >>    >>  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
   prepared to
   >>    >>  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
   >>    >   counterparts
   >>    >>  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
   biased on
   >>    >   a
   >>    >>  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
   it's
   >>    >>  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
   than a
   >>    >>  modified one.
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  Julian
   >>    >>
   >>    >
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   >> behalf
   >>    >   of
   >>    >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    >>  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
   >>    >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>    >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  All,
   >>    >>  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was overlooked
   in the
   >>    >>  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
   >>    >>  This car:
   >>    >>
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   >>    >>  Sold for $78k.
   >>    >>  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
   were
   >>    >   willing
   >>    >>  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
   for a
   >>    >   GT5
   >>    >>  conversion!  This just highlights what I've said for
   years--if you
   >>    >   are
   >>    >>  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
   GT5-S or
   >>    >   GT/4
   >>    >>  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost of
   the
   >>    >>  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in value,
   for
   >>    >   an
   >>    >>  all-in cost of $40-60k.
   >>    >>  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself and
   the
   >>    >   world
   >>    >>  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks like a
   >>    >   really
   >>    >>  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
   Widebody.
   >>    >   And
   >>    >>  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger (and
   >>    >>  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose not
   to hack
   >>    >>  your car and instead sold it and bought one already done, you
   would
   >>    >>  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
   pocket!
   >>    >>  Mike
   >>    >>  Sent from my iPad
   >>    >>
   >>    >> References
   >>    >>
   >>    >>  1.
   >>    >
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      Our worst purchase was a "race-ready," "Ez-wider" ex-Howdy Holmes,
   Lola
      T324 Formula Super Vee.A  We could tell it wasn't race-ready, but
   not
      being able to drive it and with no recent videos, we were left with
   our
      visual inspection at the auction.A  The engine alone was worth $9K,
   and
      we were able to verify that it was indeed "the" ex-Howdy Holmes SV
   that
      been modified to run in Formula Atlantic later in the 70's.A  All
   the
      parts were there, and it drove on to the auction block.A  We decided
   to
      bid on it, since we were doing more vintage racing and it would be a
      good class/car for Tony to drive - plus it would easily fit in our
   rig
      as a 3rd car to take to the races.A
      Bidding stalled with us as high bidder at $15,000, and then right
      before the hammer dropped, some drunk fool decided to jump in and
      outbid us, and another impaired fool (me) decided I wasn't goingA to
      let that happen.A  We ended at $26,000, and with auction fees/taxes,
   it
      cost me over $30,000 to buy that car.A  We got it back to the race
      shop, and the tub was a disaster.A  It had not been drilled out,
      bonded, and riveted in decades - but in fact all the parts were
   there
      and the engine ran well.A  Many hours of work later, we had the tub
      apart, but, we are a very very long way from having it done.A A
      Anyway, when we are finally - years from now -- completely done
      restoring the car and get a few races under its belt, it may be
   worth
      $25,000, if we are lucky.A  Our investment will be well north of
      $50,000, not including shop labor.
      That result is not the end of the world, but it will be the last car
   we
      buy at one of the "Scottsdale Auctions" -- which is a shame, because
   we
      like the events and car watching, but have a history of getting
   caught
      up in the moment.A  So, I just have to stay away.A A
      A A
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      On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 10:37 PM MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
      wrote:
      i>>?
      i>>?
      i>>?Steve,
      You are not alone. A guy arguably let his judgement be impaired by
   free
      auction booze and bought a modified original GT5-S for $319k plus
      commission. A few years later Covid kicked his financial butt and he
      had to sell it.A  It took almost a year to sell and he struggled to
   get
      $180k for it.A
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
        On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:56, Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
        wrote:
      i>>?
      I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at
   the
      major auction houses.A  I think the exception is Bring A Trailer,
   which
      draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
      I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
      further mistakes.A  A
      Regards,A
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      The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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      On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
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        A  A Mike,
        A  A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid
   out
        the
        A  A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had
   no
        A  A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
        the car
        A  A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
        future
        A  A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
        that will
        A  A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
        A  A intervention.
        A  A Julian
        A  A
        A
   __________________________________________________________________
        A  A From: MICHAEL DREW <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
        A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
        A  A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        A  A Julian,
        A  A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually
   sold.
        I will
        A  A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I
   will
        stand on
        A  A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
   admittedly
        no
        A  A evidence to support that contention.
        A  A Mike
        A  A Sent from my iPhone
        A  A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
        <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A wrote:
        A  A >
        A  A >A  A  Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
        just
        A  A surprised the
        A  A >A  A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
        A  A >
        A  A >A  A Julian
        A  A >
        A
        A
   __________________________________________________________________
        A  A >
        A  A >A  A From: Mike Drew <[11]mikeldrew at aol.com>
        A  A >A  A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
        A  A >A  A To: Julian Kift <[12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A >A  A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
        <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        A  A >A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        A  A >
        A  A >A  A Julian,
        A  A >A  A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is
   worth
        far more
        A  A than
        A  A >A  A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
        modified one,
        A  A >A  A don't wreck an unmodified one.
        A  A >A  A Mike
        A  A >A  A Sent from my iPad
        A  A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
        <[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
        A  A >>A  A wrote:
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  A Mike,
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
        comprised
        A  A >A  A of a
        A  A >>A  heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
        appreciation
        A  A >A  A of
        A  A >>A  the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
        drive it,
        A  A >A  A only
        A  A >>A  it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
        that same
        A  A >>A  token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
        prepared to
        A  A >>A  shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow
   body
        A  A >A  A counterparts
        A  A >>A  due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
        biased on
        A  A >A  A a
        A  A >>A  very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I
   think
        it's
        A  A >>A  predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth
   more
        than a
        A  A >>A  modified one.
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  Julian
        A  A >>
        A  A >A
        A
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        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  From: DeTomaso
        <[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
        A  A >A  A of
        A  A >>A  Mike Drew via DeTomaso
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        A  A >>A  Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
        A  A >>A  To: De Tomaso Forum
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        A  A >>A  Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  All,
        A  A >>A  There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
        overlooked in the
        A  A >>A  Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
        A  A >>A  This car:
        A  A >>A

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        A  A >>A  Sold for $78k.
        A  A >>A  Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction,
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        A  A >A  A willing
        A  A >>A  to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would
   pay
        for a
        A  A >A  A GT5
        A  A >>A  conversion!A  This just highlights what I've said for
        years--if you
        A  A >A  A are
        A  A >>A  considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
        GT5-S or
        A  A >A  A GT/4
        A  A >>A  configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+
   cost
        of the
        A  A >>A  conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
        value, for
        A  A >A  A an
        A  A >>A  all-in cost of $40-60k.
        A  A >>A  If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
        and the
        A  A >A  A world
        A  A >>A  a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
        like a
        A  A >A  A really
        A  A >>A  nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
        Widebody.
        A  A >A  A And
        A  A >>A  it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
        (and
        A  A >>A  deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
        not to hack
        A  A >>A  your car and instead sold it and bought one already
   done,
        you would
        A  A >>A  likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in
   your
        pocket!
        A  A >>A  Mike
        A  A >>A  Sent from my iPad
        A  A >>
        A  A >> References
        A  A >>
        A  A >>A  1.
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