[DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
Erik Kolstoe
ekolstoe at gmail.com
Wed Aug 18 17:25:12 EDT 2021
>From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions at all.
I'm still completely baffled by all the buzz around them. There is nothing
in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you don't get to
thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on an unknown peanut
gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and questionable videos,
or to an auction house.
I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion with
someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer that they
either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the effort you
put into it.
my 2 cents...I must be getting old 😂
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars at the
> major auction houses.A I think the exception is Bring A Trailer, which
> draws comments and history for the cars from those that know it.A A
> I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help prevent
> further mistakes.A A
> Regards,A
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
> <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A A Mike,
> A A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having paid out
> the
> A A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications' they had no
> A A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason to help
> the car
> A A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up in a
> future
> A A auction having now established a fictitious perceived value
> that will
> A A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without that
> A A intervention.
> A A Julian
> A A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
> A A To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A Julian,
> A A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it actually sold.
> I will
> A A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until then I will
> stand on
> A A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with admittedly
> no
> A A evidence to support that contention.
> A A Mike
> A A Sent from my iPhone
> A A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
> <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A wrote:
> A A >
> A A >A A Uh, not exactly what you said, but close enough. I'm
> just
> A A surprised the
> A A >A A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
> A A >
> A A >A A Julian
> A A >
> A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A >
> A A >A A From: Mike Drew <[7]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> A A >A A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
> A A >A A To: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A >A A Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A >
> A A >A A Julian,
> A A >A A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original car is worth
> far more
> A A than
> A A >A A a modified one. So if you want a modified one, buy a
> modified one,
> A A >A A don't wreck an unmodified one.
> A A >A A Mike
> A A >A A Sent from my iPad
> A A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
> <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A >>A A wrote:
> A A >>
> A A >>A A Mike,
> A A >>
> A A >>A The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of are now
> comprised
> A A >A A of a
> A A >>A heavy contingent of investors, who have little to no
> appreciation
> A A >A A of
> A A >>A the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to actually
> drive it,
> A A >A A only
> A A >>A it's originality and potential for investment growth. By
> that same
> A A >>A token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S cars are
> prepared to
> A A >>A shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their narrow body
> A A >A A counterparts
> A A >>A due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems a little
> biased on
> A A >A A a
> A A >>A very small snapshot of the market, and ultimately, I think
> it's
> A A >>A predominantly a case of an original Pantera is worth more
> than a
> A A >>A modified one.
> A A >>
> A A >>A Julian
> A A >>
> A A >A
> A __________________________________________________________________
> A A >>
> A A >>A From: DeTomaso
> <[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> A A >A A of
> A A >>A Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >>A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
> A A >>A To: De Tomaso Forum <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A >>A Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
> A A >>
> A A >>A All,
> A A >>A There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
> overlooked in the
> A A >>A Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in the app:
> A A >>A This car:
> A A >>A
> [1][14]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0821-481041/1972-detomaso-panter
> a/
> A A >>A Sold for $78k.
> A A >>A Let that sink in for a minute. At the same auction, people
> were
> A A >A A willing
> A A >>A to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they would pay
> for a
> A A >A A GT5
> A A >>A conversion!A This just highlights what I've said for
> years--if you
> A A >A A are
> A A >>A considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it to GT5 or
> GT5-S or
> A A >A A GT/4
> A A >>A configuration, you have to realize that the $20-30k+ cost
> of the
> A A >>A conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k LOSS in
> value, for
> A A >A A an
> A A >>A all-in cost of $40-60k.
> A A >>A If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do yourself
> and the
> A A >A A world
> A A >>A a favor and buy one already done like this. This looks
> like a
> A A >A A really
> A A >>A nice car, one that you would likely really enjoy, Mister
> Widebody.
> A A >A A And
> A A >>A it would preserve an unmolested car for the much larger
> (and
> A A >>A deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if you chose
> not to hack
> A A >>A your car and instead sold it and bought one already done,
> you would
> A A >>A likely achieve happiness and have an extra $20-30k in your
> pocket!
> A A >>A Mike
> A A >>A Sent from my iPad
> A A >>
> A A >> References
> A A >>
> A A >>A 1.
> A A >A
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From a buyer's perspective, I do not see the attraction of auctions at
all. I'm still completelyA baffled by all the buzz around them. There
is nothing in it except to drive the price up. Most of the time, you
don't get to thoroughly inspect or drive the car. Totally relying on an
unknownA peanut gallery of folks on the internet, digital photos and
questionable videos, or to an auction house.
I personally prefer the old fashioned way. Have an honest discussion
with someone in person, drive the car and make a reasonable offer that
they either take or don't take, shake hands and be pleased with the
effort you put into it.
my 2 cents...I must be getting oldA d-
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:56 PM Steve Lisa <[1]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
A A I have mostly crappy results (some alcohol-induced) buying cars
at the
A A major auction houses.AA I think the exception is Bring A
Trailer, which
A A draws comments and history for the cars from those that know
it.A A
A A I have committed to stop drinking at auctions..... to help
prevent
A A further mistakes.AA A
A A Regards,A
A A Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
A A The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
A A Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
A A Direct: 480-442-0297
A A [1][2]www.PatentIt.com
A A Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656AA |A A F:A
480.535.6628A
A A |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
A A Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357AA |AA F: 312.896.5633AA
|AA A: 55 E.
A A Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
A A This email is intended only for the recipient above and may
contain
A A confidential and privileged information. If you received this
email in
A A error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to
me. Thank
A A you.
A A On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 1:50 PM Julian Kift
A A <[2][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A AA A Mike,
A A A AA A Now that is a theory that I wholly concur with! Having
paid out
A A A the
A A A AA A owner his reserve after their inept 'modifications'
they had no
A A A AA A sellers' fees, no buyers commission and every reason
to help
A A A the car
A A A AA A get as high as possible. I'm betting it will turn up
in a
A A A future
A A A AA A auction having now established a fictitious perceived
value
A A A that will
A A A AA A help it ultimately sell for more than it would without
that
A A A AA A intervention.
A A A AA A Julian
A A A AA A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A From: MICHAEL DREW <[3][4]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A A AA A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 1:42 PM
A A A AA A To: Julian Kift <[4][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[5][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A A AA A Julian,
A A A AA A As for the lime green car, I'm not convinced it
actually sold.
A A A I will
A A A AA A believe it when the new owner steps forward. Until
then I will
A A A stand on
A A A AA A my conviction that Mecum bought it themselves, with
admittedly
A A A no
A A A AA A evidence to support that contention.
A A A AA A Mike
A A A AA A Sent from my iPhone
A A A AA A > On Aug 18, 2021, at 15:46, Julian Kift
A A A <[6][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A wrote:
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA AA Uh, not exactly what you said, but close
enough. I'm
A A A just
A A A AA A surprised the
A A A AA A >AA A lime green Medum 'modified' car fetched so much
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A Julian
A A A AA A >
A A A A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A From: Mike Drew <[7][8]mikeldrew at aol.com>
A A A AA A >AA A Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:32 PM
A A A AA A >AA A To: Julian Kift <[8][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A >AA A Cc: De Tomaso Forum
<[9][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera
sale
A A A AA A >
A A A AA A >AA A Julian,
A A A AA A >AA A Uh...that's exactly what I said. An original
car is worth
A A A far more
A A A AA A than
A A A AA A >AA A a modified one. So if you want a modified one,
buy a
A A A modified one,
A A A AA A >AA A don't wreck an unmodified one.
A A A AA A >AA A Mike
A A A AA A >AA A Sent from my iPad
A A A AA A >>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 11:27, Julian Kift
A A A <[10][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A AA A >>AA A wrote:
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA A Mike,
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA The deep pocketed narrow body crowd you speak of
are now
A A A comprised
A A A AA A >AA A of a
A A A AA A >>AA heavy contingent of investors, who have little
to no
A A A appreciation
A A A AA A >AA A of
A A A AA A >>AA the width of the body of a Pantera or desire to
actually
A A A drive it,
A A A AA A >AA A only
A A A AA A >>AA it's originality and potential for investment
growth. By
A A A that same
A A A AA A >>AA token buyers of original Group 4 / GT5 & GT5-S
cars are
A A A prepared to
A A A AA A >>AA shell out more (far deeper pockets) than their
narrow body
A A A AA A >AA A counterparts
A A A AA A >>AA due to originality plus rarity. Your case seems
a little
A A A biased on
A A A AA A >AA A a
A A A AA A >>AA very small snapshot of the market, and
ultimately, I think
A A A it's
A A A AA A >>AA predominantly a case of an original Pantera is
worth more
A A A than a
A A A AA A >>AA modified one.
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA Julian
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >A
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA From: DeTomaso
A A A <[11][12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A A AA A >AA A of
A A A AA A >>AA Mike Drew via DeTomaso
A A A <[12][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >>AA Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 7:19 AM
A A A AA A >>AA To: De Tomaso Forum
<[13][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A AA A >>AA Subject: [DeTomaso] One overlooked Pantera sale
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA All,
A A A AA A >>AA There was one Pantera sale that inexplicably was
A A A overlooked in the
A A A AA A >>AA Hammerprice summary, although it was listed in
the app:
A A A AA A >>AA This car:
A A A AA A >>A
A A
A [1][14][15]https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0821-481041/1972-detomaso-
panter
A A A a/
A A A AA A >>AA Sold for $78k.
A A A AA A >>AA Let that sink in for a minute. At the same
auction, people
A A A were
A A A AA A >AA A willing
A A A AA A >>AA to pay $20k more for a CRASHED Pantera than they
would pay
A A A for a
A A A AA A >AA A GT5
A A A AA A >>AA conversion!AA This just highlights what I've
said for
A A A years--if you
A A A AA A >AA A are
A A A AA A >>AA considering hacking up a Pantera to convert it
to GT5 or
A A A GT5-S or
A A A AA A >AA A GT/4
A A A AA A >>AA configuration, you have to realize that the
$20-30k+ cost
A A A of the
A A A AA A >>AA conversion will then be coupled with a $20-30k
LOSS in
A A A value, for
A A A AA A >AA A an
A A A AA A >>AA all-in cost of $40-60k.
A A A AA A >>AA If you have the hots for a widebody Pantera, do
yourself
A A A and the
A A A AA A >AA A world
A A A AA A >>AA a favor and buy one already done like this. This
looks
A A A like a
A A A AA A >AA A really
A A A AA A >>AA nice car, one that you would likely really
enjoy, Mister
A A A Widebody.
A A A AA A >AA A And
A A A AA A >>AA it would preserve an unmolested car for the much
larger
A A A (and
A A A AA A >>AA deep-pocketed) narrow body crowd. In fact, if
you chose
A A A not to hack
A A A AA A >>AA your car and instead sold it and bought one
already done,
A A A you would
A A A AA A >>AA likely achieve happiness and have an extra
$20-30k in your
A A A pocket!
A A A AA A >>AA Mike
A A A AA A >>AA Sent from my iPad
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >> References
A A A AA A >>
A A A AA A >>AA 1.
A A A AA A >A
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