[DeTomaso] Pedestal-puck-puck-mount or Pedestal-puck-mount-puck ?

Tue Sep 1 11:09:04 EDT 2020

All:

I have to vote with Thomas on this one.  In order to manage both acceleration and deceleration torque the rubber pucks must be on both the top and bottom of the engine side of mount.

If you've ever played with a car with a broken engine mount, you can watch the torque lift the engine right off the lower rubber.  Common in some older cars and has been known to cause the throttle linkage to bid resulting in a jammed wide open throttle. (Can't happen in a Pantera due to the through bolt type mount.) 

Having rubber on the top side of the Pantera engine side of mount bracket is critical.

Additionally, having two pucks under the engine mount causes the engine to sit too high creating more clearance problems with the firewall and the deck lid.

FYI

Jeff #2467

> On 09/01/2020 12:50 AM Thomas Törnblom <thomas at hax.se> wrote:
> 
>  
> You can tell that the drawing is not showing the correct order of the 
> parts as that would cause the nut to also be on the underside of the 
> motor mount.
> 
> Clamping everything together without the top puck will cause engine 
> vibrations to transfer to the pedestals and thus increase vibrations and 
> noise, or?
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> Den 2020-09-01 kl. 07:54, skrev jderyke at aol.com:
> > I feel the same way. Mike. I deleted the upper pucks in our '72 since 
> > the only time the upper puck really seems to function is over a big 
> > bump or when you 'get air'.
> > JDeryke
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas Törnblom <thomas at hax.se>
> > To: Mike Becker <mikebecker679 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; San Diego 
> > Panteras <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 9:06 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pedestal-puck-puck-mount or 
> > Pedestal-puck-mount-puck ?
> >
> > Your current configuration is correct. The engine needs to be able to 
> > flex in both directions.
> >
> > The drawing seems a bit unclear on the matter.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > > 1 sep. 2020 kl. 05:30 skrev Mike Becker <mikebecker679 at gmail.com 
> > <mailto:mikebecker679 at gmail.com>>:
> > >
> > >   Ok Experts,
> > >
> > >  What is the correct configuration for the engine mount pucks?  Attached
> > >  is a picture of my engine which has always had the setup as
> > >  pedestal-puck-mount-pedestal, but I always questioned the puck being on
> > >  top-side of the engine mount (it doesn't seem to serve any purpose in
> > >  that position).  But I've seen other cars with the same odd
> > >  configuration.  The tech manual, also attached, clearly shows both
> > >  pucks go in between the pedestal and engine mount. Which is the
> > >  correct configuration?
> > >
> > >  Mike Becker - 1741, San Diego
> > >
> > >  <<...>> <<...>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <BeckerEngine.jpg>
> > > <2020-08-31 20.12.09 (Large).jpg>
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>    You can tell that the drawing is not showing the correct order of the
>    parts as that would cause the nut to also be on the underside of the
>    motor mount.
>    Clamping everything together without the top puck will cause engine
>    vibrations to transfer to the pedestals and thus increase vibrations
>    and noise, or?
>    Thomas
> 
>    Den 2020-09-01 kl. 07:54, skrev [1]jderyke at aol.com:
> 
>    I feel the same way. Mike. I deleted the upper pucks in our '72 since
>    the only time the upper puck really seems to function is over a big
>    bump or when you 'get air'.
>    JDeryke
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Thomas Toernblom [2]<thomas at hax.se>
>    To: Mike Becker [3]<mikebecker679 at gmail.com>
>    Cc: List DeTomaso Forum [4]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; San
>    Diego Panteras [5]<sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
>    Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 9:06 pm
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pedestal-puck-puck-mount or
>    Pedestal-puck-mount-puck ?
>    Your current configuration is correct. The engine needs to be able to
>    flex in both directions.
>    The drawing seems a bit unclear on the matter.
>    Thomas
>    > 1 sep. 2020 kl. 05:30 skrev Mike Becker <[6]mikebecker679 at gmail.com>:
>    >
>    >   Ok Experts,
>    >
>    >  What is the correct configuration for the engine mount pucks?
>    Attached
>    >  is a picture of my engine which has always had the setup as
>    >  pedestal-puck-mount-pedestal, but I always questioned the puck being
>    on
>    >  top-side of the engine mount (it doesn't seem to serve any purpose
>    in
>    >  that position).  But I've seen other cars with the same odd
>    >  configuration.  The tech manual, also attached, clearly shows both
>    >  pucks go in between the pedestal and engine mount.  Which is the
>    >  correct configuration?
>    >
>    >  Mike Becker - 1741, San Diego
>    >
>    >  <<...>> <<...>>
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > <BeckerEngine.jpg>
>    > <2020-08-31 20.12.09 (Large).jpg>
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