[DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline? NPC (warning: content may offend some readers)
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Tue Oct 27 15:16:28 EDT 2020
Reminds me that there is still a Carl Sagan dialog amongst us.
On 10/27/20, 12:04 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of audionut--- via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Oh well-- Soon we are going to turn ourselves over to AI, eventually
turning ourselves into cyborg robots and then none of this will matter
anymore.
Never mind the noise out there. Nobody knows what the hell they are
talking about concerning the future.
One thing is not in question though: Whatever happens, you can be
damned sure it won't be good!
Why do I say this? Simple. Human beings, the overwhelming dominating
majority of us anyway, are completely nuts. Always have been, always
will be.
We are magnificent, silly beasts imagining that we know who and what we
are. We do not. Not by a long shot. Modern society is a broken mess.
(Not that there still isn't real beauty and courage to be found within
us here and there).
Madness can't create a shining future. Madness eventually winds up in
a dark corner somewhere, poisoned by its' own filth.
All past civilizations on earth have come and gone. This one will too.
Don't get me wrong-- this is a colossal tragedy, but this is what we
do.
As computer coders say: Crap in, crap out.
Soon our simmering, blind madness will boil over and daily life as we
have known it will come to a slow, painful, sputtering halt. (is this
not already happening?) Once we are all on our knees begging for
relief, the worst of us will then step forward and "ride to the rescue"
holding aloft grand plans that involve our complete, total and utter
submission. No longer will any pretense to "liberty" or "human rights"
be entertained as mandatory compliance will be "for the good of all".
(sound familiar? of course it does-- we are being "trained",
acclimated to what awaits us).
It's a bust, freedom-loving gentlemen. A done deal. Get out there and
enjoy being a (relatively) free human while you still can. Expensive
gas? Count on it.
(Okay Laurie Ferrari-- feel free to bash away at me!)
; )
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On 10/27/2020 at 5:53 AM, "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
I have read a *lot* on climate change a from both sides.
I donat understand all of the science, but I understand enough to
follow what others have written.
Itas refreshing to see one aclaima after another that is spot-on.
I listed the claims once a to try to make sense of it all, and then
I fact checked them. The list is really long. It included things
like what has been posted already.
Most of the doom-and-goom about CO2 was difficult or impossible to
fact check. Like the claim that global warming is ahiddena in the
depths of the ocean. How do you know? Do we have thermometers on
the ocean floor?
Some of it was correct. Man does have an impact on the
environment. But the CO2 impact is like peeing on a fire. Our
contribution to global warming is a fraction of a fraction. We do
much more damage with dirty power plants, trash in the oceans, and
by driving Chevys.
From: George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 1:48 AM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Matt Wells
<nwpantera at gmail.com>, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
"will.kooiman at gmail.com" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
Volcanic eruptions play a huge part in this. One large eruption (Mt
Pinatubo) released more greenhouse depleting gasses than all cars
ever made combined. There are constant eruptions around the world of
various magnitudes.
Even if you believe that earths temp is only changing because of man
made influence, the argument doesn't make any sense at all.
China was building brand new dirty coal powerplants every few weeks
for decades. Its estimated they do more environmental damage in a
day than the US does in a year. The air quality is so bad they had
to shutdown 50% of their factories during the Olympics. Yet they
took much of US manufacturing business.
Mexico uses inefficient dirty coal plants that power a large part of
Southern California's grid (at night when most of the electric cars
are charged).
The US uses well regulated scrubbed and catalyzed power plants and
has efficient factories.
If climate change was such a serious issue why would we be allowed
to purchase goods and services from China (or any other gross
polluting country)? Why hasn't anyone been allowed to build an
electric power plant in California in the last 20yrs, but Mexico can
power the grid? Why is it that only strong westernized countries
need to limit recreation, freedoms and prosperity to help this
cause?
This climate change agenda doesn't seems to have much to do with
climate change...
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:00:56 PM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>; Matt Wells
<nwpantera at gmail.com>; Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
Wikipedia says there were 241 coal fired power plants in the US in
2019.
Granted, Wikipedia isn't necessarily correct.
I agree with your point, but 15 seems too low.
i>>?On 10/26/20, 5:38 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Stock"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
Same goes for our dwindling 15 or so left Coal fired power plants
with no more being built, compared to
The EU has 468, and now building 27 more
India has 589, now building 446 more
China has 2363 and now building 1171 more
The reality is;
There are a total of 5615 Coal fired power plants in 8 countries, so
shutting down our 15 power plants is going to save our planet,
probably not going to be 0.00% to the -7 power of insifnificant.
Larry
i>>?On 10/26/20, 2:17 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Matt Wells"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
nwpantera at gmail.com> wrote:
A What ties the global warming discussion with politics is pure
economics and politicalA affiliation withA big industry.
I agree and like I alluded to, the inaccurate perception of our old
cars being a major contributor is lack of education.
Matt
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
California has emitted over 90 million metric tons of CO2 related to
wildfires in 2020 alone....
Even when there's no wildfires I have been through the California
farm
belt when the farmers are burning rice paddy stubble and you can't
see
your hand in front of your face the smoke is so thick and yet
perception is that classic cars are gross polluters, unfortunately
you
can't have a climate impact discussion that doesn't involve
politics!
Julian
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To: Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
A
It all works together Ken, including the fish with "no real value".
Since this has morphed into a climate issue and not a political one
I
would
like to add something to the discussion.
As Terry noted facts and data will lead us to a better understanding
of
the
powers at play here on our little blue rock.
I recently watched an enlightening doc on Netflix called* "Kiss the
Ground"*
featuring Woody Harrelson.
It explains how the farming methods of the past have caught up with
us
and
contributes to excess Carbon being expelled to our atmosphere.
Through education and better understanding of how we've arrived at
this
crisis point of human evolution we can hopefully help to reverse it.
There is another program on Netflix I would recommend by David
Attenborough
called *"A Life on Our Planet"*.
Somehow it helps me to personally deal with global warming anxiety
by
knowing exactly why we're screwed.
I have to force myself to watch these types of shows as it angers me
to
no
end.
They also offer some hope of the action necessary that could
possibly
save
us and the planet.
I now realize that even though ICE emissions are a contributing
factor
to
the destruction of our amazing biosphere they are not the only
reason.
Learn from unbiased sources and stay away from politically motivated
opines!
Terry,
I did a search and found that the NASA program you mentioned is
available
to the public. Thanks for the heads up.
It's on my watch list!
Matt
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ken Green via DeTomaso <
[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>A A A Certainly suspicious.
>A A A But I wonder why it makes sense to dump fresh water into the
Sacramento
>A A A delta and then into the ocean to maintain the environment of
a
fish
>A A A (the delta smelt) that appears headed to extinction, when the
water
>A A A could be used for agriculture that would reduce atmospheric
CO2?A If
>A A A global warming is such a big deal it seems like we should
grow
more
>A A A vegetation not save fish with no real value?A A lot of what
the
>A A A government is doing just doesn't make much sense to me, so I
can
>A A A believe that pushing gas to ridiculous prices to satisfy
>A A A environmentalists is not out of the question.
>A A A Ken
>
>A A A On Monday, October 26, 2020, 10:03:52 AM PDT, Jeff Detrich
>A A A <[7]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>A A A A A I assume this may be from an oil industry supported
source,
but seems
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