[DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?

Mon Oct 26 19:00:56 EDT 2020

Wikipedia says there were 241 coal fired power plants in the US in 2019.

Granted, Wikipedia isn't necessarily correct.

I agree with your point, but 15 seems too low.

On 10/26/20, 5:38 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Stock" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

    Same goes for our dwindling 15 or so left Coal fired power plants with no more being built, compared to 
    The EU  has 468, and now building 27 more
    India has 589, now building 446 more
    China has 2363 and now building 1171 more
    The reality is;
    There are a total of 5615 Coal fired power plants in 8 countries, so shutting down our 15 power plants is going to save our planet, probably not going to be 0.00% to the -7 power of insifnificant.
    Larry

    On 10/26/20, 2:17 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Matt Wells" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of nwpantera at gmail.com> wrote:

           A What ties the global warming discussion with politics is pure
           economics and politicalA affiliation withA big industry.
           I agree and like I alluded to, the inaccurate perception of our old
           cars being a major contributor is lack of education.
           Matt

           On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM Julian Kift
           <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

           California has emitted over 90 million metric tons of CO2 related to
           wildfires in 2020 alone....
           Even when there's no wildfires I have been through the California farm
           belt when the farmers are burning rice paddy stubble and you can't see
           your hand in front of your face the smoke is so thick and yet
           perception is that classic cars are gross polluters, unfortunately you
           can't have a climate impact discussion that doesn't involve politics!
           Julian
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           From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
           of Matt Wells <[3]nwpantera at gmail.com>
           Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:16 PM
           To: Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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           Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
           A
           It all works together Ken, including the fish with "no real value".
           Since this has morphed into a climate issue and not a political one I
           would
           like to add something to the discussion.
           As Terry noted facts and data will lead us to a better understanding of
           the
           powers at play here on our little blue rock.
           I recently watched an enlightening doc on Netflix called* "Kiss the
           Ground"*
           featuring Woody Harrelson.
           It explains how the farming methods of the past have caught up with us
           and
           contributes to excess Carbon being expelled to our atmosphere.
           Through education and better understanding of how we've arrived at this
           crisis point of human evolution we can hopefully help to reverse it.
           There is another program on Netflix I would recommend by David
           Attenborough
           called *"A Life on Our Planet"*.
           Somehow it helps me to personally deal with global warming anxiety by
           knowing exactly why we're screwed.
           I have to force myself to watch these types of shows as it angers me to
           no
           end.
           They also offer some hope of the action necessary that could possibly
           save
           us and the planet.
           I now realize that even though ICE emissions are a contributing factor
           to
           the destruction of our amazing biosphere they are not the only reason.
           Learn from unbiased sources and stay away from politically motivated
           opines!
           Terry,
           I did a search and found that the NASA program you mentioned is
           available
           to the public. Thanks for the heads up.
           It's on my watch list!
           Matt
           On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ken Green via DeTomaso <
           [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
           >A A A  Certainly suspicious.
           >A A A  But I wonder why it makes sense to dump fresh water into the
           Sacramento
           >A A A  delta and then into the ocean to maintain the environment of a
           fish
           >A A A  (the delta smelt) that appears headed to extinction, when the
           water
           >A A A  could be used for agriculture that would reduce atmospheric
           CO2?A  If
           >A A A  global warming is such a big deal it seems like we should grow
           more
           >A A A  vegetation not save fish with no real value?A  A lot of what
           the
           >A A A  government is doing just doesn't make much sense to me, so I
           can
           >A A A  believe that pushing gas to ridiculous prices to satisfy
           >A A A  environmentalists is not out of the question.
           >A A A  Ken
           >
           >A A A  On Monday, October 26, 2020, 10:03:52 AM PDT, Jeff Detrich
           >A A A  <[7]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
           >A A A A A  I assume this may be from an oil industry supported source,
           but seems
           >A A A A A  AA  A to have some basis.A A
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           >A A A A A A A  AA  A I assume this may be from an oil industry
           supported source,
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           >A A A A A A A  AA  A [1]Gasoline Prices Under the Green New Deal Would
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