[DeTomaso] Trivia question: Factory colors and years of production

Tue Oct 20 12:52:56 EDT 2020

Mike,

You raise a good point.

When I went back to Marti on the color change, I had solid documentation from service records dated from 75 that had hand written service records that said "Silver 74 Pantera".

I also have a letter from Ford corporate to the original owner (an FBI director) where the Ford executive called his car "Silver Streak" and informed the original owner that it had a recall related to the spare tire. This was dated May 75 and includes the White House mail room receiving stamp.

I included copies of these docs when I requested the correction.

If I didn’t have these docs, I am not sure how cooperative Marti would have been.

/\/\

#6859 WAYBAC

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 11:41 AM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: Mirril McMullen; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Trivia question: Factory colors and years of production

Chuck,

Remember, Marti doesn’t invent anything. They only report what is in the Ford records they acquired directly from Ford. It’s somewhat akin to a birth certificate. One can only speculate why the records might be wrong. 

I actually find it a bit disturbing that they are apparently so willing to change a report at the behest of a customer. The whole point is to provide a copy of what Ford claims is true. If they are malleable and will make a report say whatever you want it to say, that reduces their value IMHO. 

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 20, 2020, at 08:31, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>    Dear Mirril,
> 
> 
>               Despite my presumption that the Marti bunch is a marginal
>   organization, I am pleasantly surprised to learn that they did provide
>   professional and responsive service when you contacted them.   That is
>   good news.
> 
> 
>                                Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> 
> 
>   From: Mirril McMullen [mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net]
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 6:27 AM
>   To: Julian Kift; 'Charles Engles'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Trivia question: Factory colors and years of
>   production
> 
> 
>   Well,
> 
> 
>   I'm not trashing Marti.
> 
> 
>   All the other details on the report were more info then I had
>   originally.
> 
> 
>   When I asked them for the correction, they were very professional and I
>   have no complaints with their service.
> 
> 
>   Color is really the only wildcard that I am aware of when it comes to
>   decoding the VIN.
> 
> 
>   That allows us to paint our cars any color we want,
> 
> 
>   If I owned a 70 HEMI Cuda, I wouldn't have that flexibility ;-(
> 
> 
>   /\/\
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Julian Kift
>   Sent: Oct 19, 2020 8:50 PM
>   To: Mirril McMullen , 'Charles Engles' ,
>   "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Trivia question: Factory colors and years of
>   production
> 
>   That sure casts some doubt on the authenticity of Marti reports, which
>   have been regarded as gospel by so many marques for so long!
> 
> 
>   Julian
> 
>    _____________________________________________________________________
> 
>   From: Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
>   Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:47 PM
>   To: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; 'Charles Engles'
>   <cengles at cox.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Trivia question: Factory colors and years of
>   production
> 
> 
>   For the record......
>   There is no paint identifier on the VIN plate or that can be decoded
>   from
>   the VIN.
>   My 74 was originally silver.
>   I sent for the Marti report and they told me my car was originally red.
>   I then sent them proof that my car was Silver not Red originally (long
>   story
>   on how I proved it).
>   Marti turned around and promptly sent me a corrected Marti report.
>   Who was collecting these?
>   /\/\
>   #6859 WAYBAC
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>   Behalf
>   Of Julian Kift
>   Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:43 PM
>   To: Charles Engles; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Trivia question: Factory colors and years of
>   production
>   Chuck,
>   I thought Marti Reports have the "yours is one of XX silver Panteras
>   produced in 19XX" statement. Wasn't Michael Shortt working on
>   collecting all
>   the available Marti Report data into a database at one point, was that
>   under
>   his tenure with POCA and shared or an individual effort?
>   Julian
>   ________________________________
>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>   Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>   Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 12:16 PM
>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Trivia question: Factory colors and years of
>   production
>   Dear Forum,
>               A Pantera friend is interested in learning how many silver
>   Panteras were made in '73 and '74.   I've checked my books and google
>   without success.
>              I *think* that info Is out there.  Would anyone know the
>   answer
>   about the silver Pantera production numbers or where to ferret it out?
>                                  Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> /\/\///
> 
> References
> 
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