[DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Mike & Elizabeth
mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
Thu May 21 18:52:00 EDT 2020
I did that when I initially set up the QJ, then tested it in the air by leaving the floor jack just about a 1/2" below the cross member. I put my weight on the back of the car from a step ladder and it did not move. The second block I put under the side jackpoint is about 8-10" aft of that point, to adds a lot more support.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Mike,
FYI because of the rear weight bias, when lifting using those points I always position a floor jack as a fifth point, under the rearmost crossmember, if I will be climbing into the engine bay. It’s stable enough without it until you add the weight of a person climbing in, and then it can get a bit sketchy....
Mike
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> On May 21, 2020, at 13:15, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No, not so. There are support blocks that come with the QJ - four
> thick and four thin. There are pockets in the QJ that the blocks rest
> in, and the front thin blocks are right under the front jacking points,
> the rear, two thick on each side to get as far back as possible, are
> under the frame just aft of the rear/side jacking point, just where the
> frame angles in towards the motor mounts. Attached are a couple of
> shots from the first time I set the car up. - Mike
>
>
> From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
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> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
>
>
> Mike, it looks like the QuickJack is using the rocker panel seams to
> support the Pantera. I didn't think these were appropriate
> support/jacking points on a Pantera. Ideally it's the engine mount
> frame sections for the rear. Also, it looks like you'd want the
> QuickJack more toward the rear of the car due to the weight distro of
> the Pantera. Did you figure out a way to deal with this that's not
> apparent in the photos? Nice job stripping the car by the way : )
> Mike R.
>
>
> From: [1]Mike & Elizabeth
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>
>
> I can see where a scissor lift would have its' advantages, but I've had
> a
> QuickJack setup for over a year and couldn't be happier. They are a
> bit
> heavy, true, but when you lift from one end, the rollers on the other
> make
> it quite easy to move them around, and there is nothing in the way on
> the
> garage floor when the car is out of the garage, unlike a scissor lift
> with
> ramps on either side. I have the pump and hoses stored in a rolling
> cart in
> the garage (everything I can I've put wheels or castors on in my
> garage) and
> it takes all of 5 minutes to hook everything up and have the car nearly
> two
> feet off the floor. Per their recommendations, I do brace either end
> with a
> fixed jackstand if I plan to be under the car, but once you have the
> car
> lifted, you can disconnect the hydraulic hoses and put them away so
> nothing
> is left to trip over.
>
> Mike Thomas
> Panteras Northwest
>
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>
> Quickjack is another Chinese product (under the Bendpak name), I had
> heard
> despite looking so, they are not that portable being cumbersome and
> heavy.
> Why not get a much more versatile full on scissor lift for similar
> money? I
> have one and made a couple full length ramps to be able to clear the
> lift
> with the race car, but now I can also just park any car over it, so no
> loss
> of garage space.
>
> Julian
>
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> Time to go with a QuickJack system.
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> you know I would like to buy American not Chinese but it seems we
> currently
> do not have a choice.
> I have bought American name brand and it is labeled made in China.
> So I agree to buy the best Jack Stand.
> The question is who makes American quality not don't buy Harbor
> Freight.
> Rich
>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com
>> <[19]mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com> > wrote:
>> Nice of you to remind everyone.A We checked right away after
> getting
>> the HF email, and 8 of our race team jacks were on the recall
> list, and
>> have already been returned.A It is scary to think how many of our
> crew
>> and weekend volunteers have been under cars with those jackA
> stands.A
>> Thankfully, our main endurance sports car now has air jacks --
> with the
>> safety inserts for when crew are under the car.A Not only is it
>> faster, but it is much safer.
>> Your advise is very, very sound.A We train everyone to never be
> under
>> the car when things are rushed, and never to be under a car with
> less
>> than all four jackstands solidly in place.A Even without a jack
>> failure, we have had the cars shift when the fueler pushes on the
> rear
>> and lose a jack stand.A If the other three weren't there, it
> could
>> have fallen on crew.A A
>> Thanks for the email.A A
>> Regards,A
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>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:07 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
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> wrote:
>>
>> Not the same stand, but just show anything can break so have a
>> backup (my failure would have been an OSHA near miss)
>> As for the pawl type, don't they have provisions for a thru pin
> at
>> several heights?A (maybe I'm thinking of the tube type)
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>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
>> FYI - Jeff6559
>> The Harbor Freight jack stands that we've all bought, borrowed
> or
>> seen in our friends' garages are being recalled due to a risk of
>> collapsing under load. Go check yours immediately.
>> In a recall filed with the NHTSA on March 20 of this year,
> Harbor
>> Freight explains that certain 6-ton jack stands have the
> potential
>> to disengage their support pawl under shifting weight, causing
> the
>> stand to drop suddenly. A second recall, filed May 3, extends
> the
>> recall to 3-ton jack stands. The defect is attributed to aging
>> tooling at the factory that produced the jack stands.
>> The recall document says that the problem could affect more than
>> 450,000 6-ton jack stands produced between 2013 and 2019 and
> nearly
>> 1.3 million 3-ton jack stands produced between 2012 and 2020.
> These
>> jack stands were sold under the Pittsburg brand name, and can be
>> identified by item numbers
>> 56371 or 61196 on 3-ton models, and 61197 on 6-ton models.
>> Harbor Freight urges anybody in possession of affected jack
> stands
>> to return them to the store in exchange for a gift card equal to
> the
>> price of the stands. Any unsold jack stands covered by the
> recall
>> have been removed from stores. Check on your buddies and spread
> the
>> word aroundathese jack stands are ubiquitous, and a failure like
>> this could be fatal.
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