[DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall

Jerry Knotts knottsj at galstar.com
Thu May 21 16:07:54 EDT 2020


I use these under my Noble.  I am old and the car is lower than the 
Panteras.

I am satisfied with them and just haven't made the surround on the floor 
so I don't have to enter the garage absolutely straight on.

I am getting ready to adapt the pump  to a 10 ton portapower.

YMMV,

jerry knotts

On 5/21/2020 11:46 AM, Mike & Elizabeth wrote:
>     I can see where a scissor lift would have its' advantages, but I've had
>     a QuickJack setup for over a year and couldn't be happier.  They are a
>     bit heavy, true, but when you lift from one end, the rollers on the
>     other make it quite easy to move them around, and there is nothing in
>     the way on the garage floor when the car is out of the garage, unlike a
>     scissor lift with ramps on either side.  I have the pump and hoses
>     stored in a rolling cart in the garage (everything I can I've put
>     wheels or castors on in my garage) and it takes all of 5 minutes to
>     hook everything up and have the car nearly two feet off the floor.  Per
>     their recommendations, I do brace either end with a fixed jackstand if
>     I plan to be under the car, but once you have the car lifted, you can
>     disconnect the hydraulic hoses and put them away so nothing is left to
>     trip over.
>
>
>     Mike Thomas
>
>     Panteras Northwest
>
>
>     From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>     Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:57 AM
>     To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; 'Rich Hoppe'
>     <richbhoppe at gmail.com>; 'Steve Lisa' <stevelisa at patentit.com>
>     Cc: 'Detomaso List Email' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
>
>
>     Quickjack is another Chinese product (under the Bendpak name), I had
>     heard despite looking so, they are not that portable being cumbersome
>     and heavy. Why not get a much more versatile full on scissor lift for
>     similar money? I have one and made a couple full length ramps to be
>     able to clear the lift with the race car, but now I can also just park
>     any car over it, so no loss of garage space.
>
>
>     Julian
>
>      _____________________________________________________________________
>
>     From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>     of Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
>     Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:32 AM
>     To: 'Rich Hoppe' <[3]richbhoppe at gmail.com>; 'Steve Lisa'
>     <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>     Cc: 'Detomaso List Email' <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
>
>
>     Time to go with a QuickJack system.
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf
>     Of Rich Hoppe
>     Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:32 PM
>     To: Steve Lisa <[7]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>     Cc: Detomaso List Email <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
>     you know I would like to buy American not Chinese but it seems we
>     currently do not have a choice.
>     I have bought American name brand and it is labeled made in China.
>     So I agree to buy the best Jack Stand.
>     The question is who makes American quality not don't buy Harbor
>     Freight.
>     Rich
>     On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Steve Lisa <[9]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>     wrote:
>     >    Nice of you to remind everyone.A  We checked right away after
>     getting
>     >    the HF email, and 8 of our race team jacks were on the recall
>     list, and
>     >    have already been returned.A  It is scary to think how many of our
>     crew
>     >    and weekend volunteers have been under cars with those jackA
>     stands.A
>     >    Thankfully, our main endurance sports car now has air jacks --
>     with the
>     >    safety inserts for when crew are under the car.A  Not only is it
>     >    faster, but it is much safer.
>     >    Your advise is very, very sound.A  We train everyone to never be
>     under
>     >    the car when things are rushed, and never to be under a car with
>     less
>     >    than all four jackstands solidly in place.A  Even without a jack
>     >    failure, we have had the cars shift when the fueler pushes on the
>     rear
>     >    and lose a jack stand.A  If the other three weren't there, it
>     could
>     >    have fallen on crew.A A
>     >    Thanks for the email.A A
>     >    Regards,A
>     >    Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>     >    The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>     >    Email: [10]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>     >    Direct: 480-442-0297
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>     >    On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:07 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>     >    <[2][12]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>     >
>     >      Not the same stand, but just show anything can break so have a
>     >      backup (my failure would have been an OSHA near miss)
>     >      As for the pawl type, don't they have provisions for a thru pin
>     at
>     >      several heights?A  (maybe I'm thinking of the tube type)
>     >      -----Original Message-----
>     >      From: DeTomaso
>     [[13]mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>     >      On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
>     >      Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 13:27 PM
>     >      To: [4][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>     >      Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
>     >      FYI - Jeff6559
>     >      The Harbor Freight jack stands that we've all bought, borrowed
>     or
>     >      seen in our friends' garages are being recalled due to a risk of
>     >      collapsing under load. Go check yours immediately.
>     >      In a recall filed with the NHTSA on March 20 of this year,
>     Harbor
>     >      Freight explains that certain 6-ton jack stands have the
>     potential
>     >      to disengage their support pawl under shifting weight, causing
>     the
>     >      stand to drop suddenly. A second recall, filed May 3, extends
>     the
>     >      recall to 3-ton jack stands. The defect is attributed to aging
>     >      tooling at the factory that produced the jack stands.
>     >      The recall document says that the problem could affect more than
>     >      450,000 6-ton jack stands produced between 2013 and 2019 and
>     nearly
>     >      1.3 million 3-ton jack stands produced between 2012 and 2020.
>     These
>     >      jack stands were sold under the Pittsburg brand name, and can be
>     >      identified by item numbers
>     >      56371 or 61196 on 3-ton models, and 61197 on 6-ton models.
>     >      Harbor Freight urges anybody in possession of affected jack
>     stands
>     >      to return them to the store in exchange for a gift card equal to
>     the
>     >      price of the stands. Any unsold jack stands covered by the
>     recall
>     >      have been removed from stores. Check on your buddies and spread
>     the
>     >      word aroundathese jack stands are ubiquitous, and a failure like
>     >      this could be fatal.
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   I use these under my Noble.  I am old and the car is lower than the
   Panteras.

   I am satisfied with them and just haven't made the surround on the
   floor so I don't have to enter the garage absolutely straight on.

   I am getting ready to adapt the pump  to a 10 ton portapower.

   YMMV,

   jerry knotts

   On 5/21/2020 11:46 AM, Mike & Elizabeth wrote:

   I can see where a scissor lift would have its' advantages, but I've had
   a QuickJack setup for over a year and couldn't be happier.  They are a
   bit heavy, true, but when you lift from one end, the rollers on the
   other make it quite easy to move them around, and there is nothing in
   the way on the garage floor when the car is out of the garage, unlike a
   scissor lift with ramps on either side.  I have the pump and hoses
   stored in a rolling cart in the garage (everything I can I've put
   wheels or castors on in my garage) and it takes all of 5 minutes to
   hook everything up and have the car nearly two feet off the floor.  Per
   their recommendations, I do brace either end with a fixed jackstand if
   I plan to be under the car, but once you have the car lifted, you can
   disconnect the hydraulic hoses and put them away so nothing is left to
   trip over.


   Mike Thomas

   Panteras Northwest


   From: Julian Kift [1]<julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:57 AM
   To: Mike & Elizabeth [2]<mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; 'Rich Hoppe'
   [3]<richbhoppe at gmail.com>; 'Steve Lisa' [4]<stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Cc: 'Detomaso List Email' [5]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall


   Quickjack is another Chinese product (under the Bendpak name), I had
   heard despite looking so, they are not that portable being cumbersome
   and heavy. Why not get a much more versatile full on scissor lift for
   similar money? I have one and made a couple full length ramps to be
   able to clear the lift with the race car, but now I can also just park
   any car over it, so no loss of garage space.


   Julian

    _____________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso [6]<[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Mike & Elizabeth [7]<[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
   Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:32 AM
   To: 'Rich Hoppe' [8]<[3]richbhoppe at gmail.com>; 'Steve Lisa'
   [9]<[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Cc: 'Detomaso List Email' [10]<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall


   Time to go with a QuickJack system.
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [11]<[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf
   Of Rich Hoppe
   Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:32 PM
   To: Steve Lisa [12]<[7]stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Cc: Detomaso List Email [13]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
   you know I would like to buy American not Chinese but it seems we
   currently do not have a choice.
   I have bought American name brand and it is labeled made in China.
   So I agree to buy the best Jack Stand.
   The question is who makes American quality not don't buy Harbor
   Freight.
   Rich
   On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Steve Lisa [14]<[9]stevelisa at patentit.com>
   wrote:
   >    Nice of you to remind everyone.A  We checked right away after
   getting
   >    the HF email, and 8 of our race team jacks were on the recall
   list, and
   >    have already been returned.A  It is scary to think how many of our
   crew
   >    and weekend volunteers have been under cars with those jackA
   stands.A
   >    Thankfully, our main endurance sports car now has air jacks --
   with the
   >    safety inserts for when crew are under the car.A  Not only is it
   >    faster, but it is much safer.
   >    Your advise is very, very sound.A  We train everyone to never be
   under
   >    the car when things are rushed, and never to be under a car with
   less
   >    than all four jackstands solidly in place.A  Even without a jack
   >    failure, we have had the cars shift when the fueler pushes on the
   rear
   >    and lose a jack stand.A  If the other three weren't there, it
   could
   >    have fallen on crew.A A
   >    Thanks for the email.A A
   >    Regards,A
   >    Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   >    The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
   >    Email: [[15]10]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
   >    Direct: 480-442-0297
   >    [1][11]www.PatentIt.com
   >    Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A  |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
   >    |A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
   >
   >    Chicago OfficeA |A P: 312.752.4357A  |A  F: 312.896.5633A  |A  A:
   55 E.
   >    Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
   >    This email is intended only for the recipient above and may
   contain
   >    confidential and privileged information. If you received this
   email in
   >    error please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me.
   Thank
   >    you.
   >
   >    On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:07 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
   >    [16]<[2][12]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >      Not the same stand, but just show anything can break so have a
   >      backup (my failure would have been an OSHA near miss)
   >      As for the pawl type, don't they have provisions for a thru pin
   at
   >      several heights?A  (maybe I'm thinking of the tube type)
   >      -----Original Message-----
   >      From: DeTomaso
   [[13]mailto:[[17]3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   >      On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
   >      Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 13:27 PM
   >      To: [4][[18]14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >      Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
   >      FYI - Jeff6559
   >      The Harbor Freight jack stands that we've all bought, borrowed
   or
   >      seen in our friends' garages are being recalled due to a risk of
   >      collapsing under load. Go check yours immediately.
   >      In a recall filed with the NHTSA on March 20 of this year,
   Harbor
   >      Freight explains that certain 6-ton jack stands have the
   potential
   >      to disengage their support pawl under shifting weight, causing
   the
   >      stand to drop suddenly. A second recall, filed May 3, extends
   the
   >      recall to 3-ton jack stands. The defect is attributed to aging
   >      tooling at the factory that produced the jack stands.
   >      The recall document says that the problem could affect more than
   >      450,000 6-ton jack stands produced between 2013 and 2019 and
   nearly
   >      1.3 million 3-ton jack stands produced between 2012 and 2020.
   These
   >      jack stands were sold under the Pittsburg brand name, and can be
   >      identified by item numbers
   >      56371 or 61196 on 3-ton models, and 61197 on 6-ton models.
   >      Harbor Freight urges anybody in possession of affected jack
   stands
   >      to return them to the store in exchange for a gift card equal to
   the
   >      price of the stands. Any unsold jack stands covered by the
   recall
   >      have been removed from stores. Check on your buddies and spread
   the
   >      word aroundathese jack stands are ubiquitous, and a failure like
   >      this could be fatal.
   >      _______________________________________________
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