[DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good timing etc. Baffled and need Advice

Sun May 17 11:30:41 EDT 2020

Mike R, 

>From one of your previous posts you state you are using as Dura spark II. I haven't heard if you are using a ballast resistor. I found information stateing it is necessasry and one saying not to use one. The following diagram shows one used.  

https://www.painlessperformance.com/Manuals/30812.pdf
So my question is are you using a ballast resistor?

Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) 

    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 8:17:16 AM CDT, FAITH MCCALL <rfmccall at comcast.net> wrote:  

   Mike,

  Please remove and replace the MSD #8207 coil . I had one on my Pantera
  for nearly 15 years and it did an excellent job. I have installed them
  on numerous Panteras but recently ( over the past two years)  I have
  had four of them crap out within the first 6 months of use.

  Most of them just die but on one of the cars, the car died and
  restarted several times until , on about the 4th time, it died and
  would not start.

  I have spoken with MSD about it and they don't seem to care and have
  offered no solution. For anyone running this coil, put your hand on it
  after a 30 minute drive and feel how hot it gets. It doesn't seem to
  matter where it is mounted. It runs extremely hot. Please take it off
  and throw it away . Or at least carry a spare with you .

  Ron McCall

  On May 17, 2020 at 12:59 AM Mike Reilly < [1]reillyms at live.com> wrote:

  Yeah Charles, I also suspect my Duraspark ignition box may have failed
  in some odd fashion. I still get spark at the plug so I assume it's
  still working? I have read that it can provide spark but provide it at
  the wrong time in a failure mode sometimes. Did you get spark at the
  plug and still have your MSD box failing? That will definitely one of
  the things I look at further.

  Thanks! Mike R.

  From: [2]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto: [3]charlesmccall at gmail.com>

  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:42 PM

  To: 'Mike Reilly'<mailto: [4]reillyms at live.com>; 'Asa Jay
  Laughton'<mailto: [5]asajay at asajay.com>;
  [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
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  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
  timing etc. Baffled and need Advice

  Just in case it isn't your ignition switch (this diagnosis was made
  based on

  the understanding that the engine runs just fine with the key in the
  "start"

  position but not "run". I did not understand that this is the case,
  others

  did, so perhaps you could clarify?) I have had several MSD electronic

  ignition boxes fail weirdly. I have had everything from a completely
  dead

  engine, as you describe, to one that ran rough and wouldn't rev about
  3000

  rpm. I now carry a spare unit, and if my engine starts to misbehave I
  swap

  out the MSD unit and see if the problem has disappeared. More than
  once, it

  has. You have a different brand, but they could fail the same - can you

  borrow one to try?

  -----Original Message-----

  From: DeTomaso < [8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf
  Of Mike

  Reilly

  Sent: 17. maj 2020 09:57

  To: Asa Jay Laughton < [9]asajay at asajay.com>;
  [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
  timing

  etc. Baffled and need Advice

  Thanks for the thoughts everyone. Now that I have verified that the

  distributor pin is there and in good shape I reinstalled the
  distributor.

  Checked timing and still would not start. Here is a video of me trying
  to

  start it before my first post. I tried no throttle, two pumps on the

  throttle and then holding the throttle to the floor.

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  Next I will check out the ignition switch. I do have a spare if I need
  it

  which I bought probably 20 years ago at the San Diego swap meet when I
  lived

  there.

  One thing I had thought I listed in my initial email but seemed to have

  forgotten to add was that a month or so ago I was driving down a 40 MPH
  side

  street and the car just died. I had to coast to a safe parking lot.
  When I

  stopped it did restart and drove with no problem. Maybe this points to
  the

  ignition switch as well. Sorry I left that out : ( We also had an
  internet

  outage for the past three days so I was composing mail on a small
  mobile

  device with spotty connections. Internet is back up but now I need to
  get

  the Pantera back in commission. Thanks, Mike R.

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  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:02 PM

  To:

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  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
  timing

  etc. Baffled and need Advice

  Sounds more like it could be the column switch.

  My initial thought was the timing gear, nylon, old, breaks off, lets
  the

  chain jump a few teeth. Ask me how I know.

  Soooo... when that happened to -me-, the engine cranked over very

  -smoothly- with no backfires in the carb and none out the exhaust, it
  just

  wouldn't start. It wouldn't even catch. But boy it turned over real

  smooth, like a Singer sewing machine.

  Since this one sounds like it catches but doesn't stay running, I'd
  lean

  toward the ignition switch.

  By the way, I was able to see my cam gear had broken nylon by looking

  through the distributor hole. Not easy to do, but that's what showed me
  the

  nylon was gone.

  Asa Jay

  Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County
  ARES-RACES-ACS

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  On 5/16/2020 19:05, B Hower via DeTomaso wrote:

  How far off does the timing have to be before you no longer get any

  backfire while cranking ? I may be confused again, but it seems he has

  spark while cranking, thus cam is turning so should have air, gas

  squirts at carburetor. So if gas at cylinder and spark at cylinder,

  shouldn't you get some type of back fire?

  Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be

  ! )

  On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 8:51:28 PM CDT, Dave Londry

  < [17]davel at trguys.com> wrote:

  Yes, if not spark or fuel or air, then timing.

  And per Sean, pin in distributor gear, timing gear or timing chain

  gone

  past by a few links.

  Dave

  On 2020-05-16 4:43 p.m., Sean Korb wrote:

  Oh! Without taking the pump and cover off you can check the chain

  slack

  from the fuel pump hole.A Reach in before the eccentric and see if

  itas loose.A Itas going to have some play but it will feel really

  slack if the teeth have started to decay.

  On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:39 PM Sean Korb

  [1]<[1][1] [18]spkorb at gmail.com>

  wrote:

  A timing light will show how close your timing is.A I worry the pin

  is

  sheared but binding on the shaft.A It should still be checkable by

  sight which sounds like what you have done.A The other thing to

  check,

  since you have a stock timing set, is the nylon gear on the cam.A

  These can crack and fall into your oil pan. A compression check can

  help verify it but if itas that far off youall hear it draw as well

  as

  compress without even having to put a gauge on it.

  Iam hoping itas just the ballast resistor but if you have stock 50

  year

  old nylon gears, put replacing them on the list.

  Sean

  On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:06 PM Mike Reilly

  [2]<[2][2] [19]reillyms at live.com>

  wrote:

  A A Hi all. I'm having a starting issue with my Pantera that has

  me

  A A baffled.A I've had the car since 1992 and it's never left me

  stranded.

  A A It's been running strong and starting immediately including

  right

  A A before this situation.A Last weekend I started a drive with

  a

  planned

  A A stop at a pet supply store near my house on my way out.A So,

  the car

  A A started just fine at home, warmed up a bit and then drove

  perfectly the

  A A 1/2 mile to the pet supply store.A I turned the car off,

  bought dog

  A A food and then got back in to continue my drive.A Well, the

  car

  would

  A A not start.A It turned over fine, the battery was strong, the

  starter

  A A was cranking but it would not start seemly like it couldn't

  get

  a

  A A spark.A I pulled the air cleaner and could see that it was

  getting fuel

  A A as the fuel would squirt in the carb when I gave it

  throttle.A

  I

  A A thought I may have flooded it so I let it sit 15-20 mins and

  tried

  A A again.A Same issue.A I pulled the driver side rear most

  plug

  wire and

  A A hooked up my spark tester.A It showed spark just fine.A I

  let

  it sit

  A A for an hour.A Same issue.A It cranked fine, would sound

  like

  it wanted

  A A to fire but would not.A Even when I floored the gas pedal

  while

  A A cranking it (like for a flooded engine) it would rev up very

  high like

  A A it was running but would not catch to keep running.A I then

  pulled all

  A A the plugs and cleaned them with parts cleaner I had with me.A

  They

  A A looked dry but black indicating they were carbon fouled which

  was

  A A probably from me trying to start it over and over creating a

  rich

  A A condition.A So I ended up getting it towed the 1/2 mile back

  to my

  A A house on a flatbed.A : (A The next day when home I did the

  following

  A A (stats on my car listed at bottom of mail):

  A A A * Checked fuel coming into the carb.A It was fine

  A A A * Changed to all new spark plugs. I checked for spark and

  it

  was

  A A A A getting spark at the plug just fine.A I gapped the new

  plugs at

  A A A A .054 based on research on this forum and other Ford

  sources for a

  A A A A 1974 351c in stock condition with an electronic

  ignition.A The one

  A A A A I tested showed good strong spark.

  A A A * Pulled distributor cap and it looked fine as did the

  rotor.A They

  A A A A are both about a year old.

  A A A * Turned rotor to see if it spun freely (e.g. roll pin may

  have

  A A A A sheared).A Rotor would not turn by hand so I assume it

  was still

  A A A A connected through the shear pin (did check it later

  though)

  A A A * Changed carburetor to the new Summit Racing carb I had

  recently

  A A A A purchased since I did notice my really old Holley 600

  was

  leaking

  A A A A fuel at the base plate area.A However it was running

  fine and

  A A A A strong before I pulled it but it may have been running

  rich based

  A A A A on reading the plugs. The new carb had fuel squirting

  so

  looked

  A A A A good.A Figured since I had spark, that maybe there was

  some issue

  A A A A with the Holley.A Same symptoms with the new

  carb....didn't start

  A A A A in the same manner.

  A A A * Pulled front engine cover to check static timing.A

  Cranked the

  A A A A engine by hand via the crank pulley and moved it to

  show

  the timing

  A A A A mark (16 deg BTDC) on the timing marker that I had set

  last year.

  A A A A The distributor rotor moved just fine to point to the

  #1

  sparkplug

  A A A A wire location at this timing.A This tells me that the

  distributor

  A A A A shear pin was probably fine and the timing chain is

  still

  keeping

  A A A A things lined up

  A A A * Still had the same issue of not starting with the same

  symptoms

  A A A * Pulled the distributor to check to see if the roll pin

  sheared or

  A A A A partially sheared.A It looked perfectly fine.A I did

  notice the

  A A A A inside of the distributor where the magnetic signal is

  captured and

  A A A A the metal wheel that rotates with the rotor to align to

  the sender

  A A A A from the ignition box was had some light surface rust.A

  But since I

  A A A A had spark at the plugs it must still be working fine.A

  I

  cleaned it

  A A A A up anyway while I had it out

  A A Stats on my Pantera:

  A A A * Late model 74

  A A A * Stock basic 1974 engine with 32K miles and never rebuilt

  A A A * Stock oil pump and fuel pump

  A A A * Edelbrock performer aluminum intake manifold installed

  nearly 30

  A A A A years ago

  A A A * 600 CFM Summit Carb with electric choke and vacuum

  secondary (same

  A A A A as the Holley set up I just took off)

  A A A * Duraspark 2 electronic ignition/distributor (bought from

  Hall in

  A A A A 1993). Mine has the green plastic colored wire support

  coming from

  A A A A the control box.A I wonder if this has failed?

  A A A * New MSD coil (not the oil can type).A Bought this about

  4

  months

  A A A A ago and it was working great.A This is MSD, P/N: 8207

  that is one

  A A A A of the coils Jon Haas (Pantera Electronics) recommends

  for his

  A A A A system.A I did have a oil filled coil fail in the past

  and that was

  A A A A easy to diagnose and replace.A This new MSD coil made

  the engine

  A A A A really run nice!

  A A A * Stock starter which cranks just fine

  A A A * New battery (about one year old) which is strong,

  charged

  and

  A A A A cranks fine

  A A A * Standard stock grounds throughout the car. I did clean

  up

  the

  A A A A braided ground by the end of the transaxle as part of

  general

  A A A A maintenance a few years ago

  A A So I've been going through the normal FASTEC approach.A

  Fuel,

  Air,

  A A Spark, Timing, Exhaust, Compression.A It has fuel, air,

  spark,

  and

  A A timing.A Compression hasn't been checked yet but it's a low

  mile engine

  A A which was running super strong.A I think a compression issue

  would have

  A A shown up with some symptoms rather than running great one

  minute and

  A A not starting the next.A As far as exhaust that is working

  and

  not

  A A clogged up in anyway.A I'm at a loss here as to what it

  could

  be and

  A A why it ran great one minute and wouldn't start the next.A

  Next

  I'm

  A A thinking the Duraspark 2 box may have failed.A Not sure if

  those fail

  A A in a mode where you get spark at the plug but the timing of

  the

  spark

  A A is off due to the box failing? Any suggestions are

  appreciated.

  A A Thanks, Mike

  A A P.S.A I will post this on the Forum as well to get

  additional

  input.A I

  A A really want to get driving again : )

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  Yeah Charles, I also suspect my Duraspark ignition box may have failed

  in some odd fashion. I still get spark at the plug so I assume it's

  still working? I have read that it can provide spark but provide it at

  the wrong time in a failure mode sometimes. Did you get spark at the

  plug and still have your MSD box failing? That will definitely one of

  the things I look at further.

  Thanks! Mike R.

  From: [1] [100]charlesmccall at gmail.com

  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:42 PM

  To: [2]'Mike Reilly'; [3]'Asa Jay Laughton';

  [4] [101]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good

  timing etc. Baffled and need Advice

  Just in case it isn't your ignition switch (this diagnosis was made

  based on

  the understanding that the engine runs just fine with the key in the

  "start"

  position but not "run". I did not understand that this is the case,

  others

  did, so perhaps you could clarify?) I have had several MSD electronic

  ignition boxes fail weirdly. I have had everything from a completely

  dead

  engine, as you describe, to one that ran rough and wouldn't rev about

  3000

  rpm. I now carry a spare unit, and if my engine starts to misbehave I

  swap

  out the MSD unit and see if the problem has disappeared. More than

  once, it

  has. You have a different brand, but they could fail the same - can you

  borrow one to try?

  -----Original Message-----

  From: DeTomaso < [102]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
  Behalf Of

  Mike

  Reilly

  Sent: 17. maj 2020 09:57

  To: Asa Jay Laughton < [103]asajay at asajay.com>;

  [104]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good

  timing

  etc. Baffled and need Advice

  Thanks for the thoughts everyone. Now that I have verified that the

  distributor pin is there and in good shape I reinstalled the

  distributor.

  Checked timing and still would not start. Here is a video of me trying

  to

  start it before my first post. I tried no throttle, two pumps on the

  throttle and then holding the throttle to the floor.

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  Next I will check out the ignition switch. I do have a spare if I need

  it

  which I bought probably 20 years ago at the San Diego swap meet when I

  lived

  there.

  One thing I had thought I listed in my initial email but seemed to have

  forgotten to add was that a month or so ago I was driving down a 40 MPH

  side

  street and the car just died. I had to coast to a safe parking lot.

  When I

  stopped it did restart and drove with no problem. Maybe this points to

  the

  ignition switch as well. Sorry I left that out : ( We also had an

  internet

  outage for the past three days so I was composing mail on a small

  mobile

  device with spotty connections. Internet is back up but now I need to

  get

  the Pantera back in commission. Thanks, Mike R.

  From: Asa Jay Laughton via

  DeTomaso<[6]mailto: [106]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:02 PM

  To:

  [107]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
  [108]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co

  m>

  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good

  timing

  etc. Baffled and need Advice

  Sounds more like it could be the column switch.

  My initial thought was the timing gear, nylon, old, breaks off, lets

  the

  chain jump a few teeth. Ask me how I know.

  Soooo... when that happened to -me-, the engine cranked over very

  -smoothly- with no backfires in the carb and none out the exhaust, it

  just

  wouldn't start. It wouldn't even catch. But boy it turned over real

  smooth, like a Singer sewing machine.

  Since this one sounds like it catches but doesn't stay running, I'd

  lean

  toward the ignition switch.

  By the way, I was able to see my cam gear had broken nylon by looking

  through the distributor hole. Not easy to do, but that's what showed

  me the

  nylon was gone.

  Asa Jay

  Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County

  ARES-RACES-ACS

  EC/RO

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  On 5/16/2020 19:05, B Hower via DeTomaso wrote:

  > How far off does the timing have to be before you no longer get

  any

  > backfire while cranking ? I may be confused again, but it seems

  he has

  > spark while cranking, thus cam is turning so should have air,

  gas

  > squirts at carburetor. So if gas at cylinder and spark at

  cylinder,

  > shouldn't you get some type of back fire?

  > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may

  not be

  > ! )

  >

  > On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 8:51:28 PM CDT, Dave Londry

  > < [111]davel at trguys.com> wrote:

  > Yes, if not spark or fuel or air, then timing.

  > And per Sean, pin in distributor gear, timing gear or timing

  chain

  > gone

  > past by a few links.

  > Dave

  > On 2020-05-16 4:43 p.m., Sean Korb wrote:

  > Oh! Without taking the pump and cover off you can check the

  chain

  > slack

  > from the fuel pump hole.A Reach in before the eccentric and

  see if

  > itas loose.A Itas going to have some play but it will feel

  really

  > slack if the teeth have started to decay.

  > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:39 PM Sean Korb

  [1]<[1][1] [112]spkorb at gmail.com>

  > wrote:

  > A timing light will show how close your timing is.A I worry

  the pin

  > is

  > sheared but binding on the shaft.A It should still be

  checkable by

  > sight which sounds like what you have done.A The other thing

  to

  > check,

  > since you have a stock timing set, is the nylon gear on the

  cam.A

  > These can crack and fall into your oil pan. A compression check

  can

  > help verify it but if itas that far off youall hear it draw as

  well

  > as

  > compress without even having to put a gauge on it.

  > Iam hoping itas just the ballast resistor but if you have stock

  50

  > year

  > old nylon gears, put replacing them on the list.

  > Sean

  > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:06 PM Mike Reilly

  > [2]<[2][2] [113]reillyms at live.com>

  > wrote:

  > A A Hi all. I'm having a starting issue with my Pantera that

  has

  > me

  > A A baffled.A I've had the car since 1992 and it's never

  left me

  > stranded.

  > A A It's been running strong and starting immediately

  including

  > right

  > A A before this situation.A Last weekend I started a drive

  with

  a

  > planned

  > A A stop at a pet supply store near my house on my way

  out.A So,

  > the car

  > A A started just fine at home, warmed up a bit and then

  drove

  > perfectly the

  > A A 1/2 mile to the pet supply store.A I turned the car

  off,

  > bought dog

  > A A food and then got back in to continue my drive.A Well,

  the

  > car

  > would

  > A A not start.A It turned over fine, the battery was

  strong, the

  > starter

  > A A was cranking but it would not start seemly like it

  couldn't

  > get

  > a

  > A A spark.A I pulled the air cleaner and could see that it

  was

  > getting fuel

  > A A as the fuel would squirt in the carb when I gave it

  throttle.A

  > I

  > A A thought I may have flooded it so I let it sit 15-20 mins

  and

  > tried

  > A A again.A Same issue.A I pulled the driver side rear

  most

  plug

  > wire and

  > A A hooked up my spark tester.A It showed spark just

  fine.A I

  > let

  > it sit

  > A A for an hour.A Same issue.A It cranked fine, would

  sound

  like

  > it wanted

  > A A to fire but would not.A Even when I floored the gas

  pedal

  > while

  > A A cranking it (like for a flooded engine) it would rev up

  very

  > high like

  > A A it was running but would not catch to keep running.A I

  then

  > pulled all

  > A A the plugs and cleaned them with parts cleaner I had with

  me.A

  > They

  > A A looked dry but black indicating they were carbon fouled

  which

  > was

  > A A probably from me trying to start it over and over

  creating a

  > rich

  > A A condition.A So I ended up getting it towed the 1/2 mile

  back

  > to my

  > A A house on a flatbed.A : (A The next day when home I did

  the

  > following

  > A A (stats on my car listed at bottom of mail):

  > A A A * Checked fuel coming into the carb.A It was fine

  > A A A * Changed to all new spark plugs. I checked for spark

  and

  > it

  > was

  > A A A A getting spark at the plug just fine.A I gapped

  the new

  > plugs at

  > A A A A .054 based on research on this forum and other

  Ford

  > sources for a

  > A A A A 1974 351c in stock condition with an electronic

  > ignition.A The one

  > A A A A I tested showed good strong spark.

  > A A A * Pulled distributor cap and it looked fine as did

  the

  > rotor.A They

  > A A A A are both about a year old.

  > A A A * Turned rotor to see if it spun freely (e.g. roll

  pin may

  > have

  > A A A A sheared).A Rotor would not turn by hand so I

  assume it

  > was still

  > A A A A connected through the shear pin (did check it

  later

  > though)

  > A A A * Changed carburetor to the new Summit Racing carb I

  had

  > recently

  > A A A A purchased since I did notice my really old Holley

  600

  > was

  > leaking

  > A A A A fuel at the base plate area.A However it was

  running

  > fine and

  > A A A A strong before I pulled it but it may have been

  running

  > rich based

  > A A A A on reading the plugs. The new carb had fuel

  squirting

  so

  > looked

  > A A A A good.A Figured since I had spark, that maybe

  there was

  > some issue

  > A A A A with the Holley.A Same symptoms with the new

  > carb....didn't start

  > A A A A in the same manner.

  > A A A * Pulled front engine cover to check static timing.A

  > Cranked the

  > A A A A engine by hand via the crank pulley and moved it

  to

  show

  > the timing

  > A A A A mark (16 deg BTDC) on the timing marker that I had

  set

  > last year.

  > A A A A The distributor rotor moved just fine to point to

  the

  #1

  > sparkplug

  > A A A A wire location at this timing.A This tells me that

  the

  > distributor

  > A A A A shear pin was probably fine and the timing chain

  is

  > still

  > keeping

  > A A A A things lined up

  > A A A * Still had the same issue of not starting with the

  same

  > symptoms

  > A A A * Pulled the distributor to check to see if the roll

  pin

  > sheared or

  > A A A A partially sheared.A It looked perfectly fine.A I

  did

  > notice the

  > A A A A inside of the distributor where the magnetic

  signal is

  > captured and

  > A A A A the metal wheel that rotates with the rotor to

  align to

  > the sender

  > A A A A from the ignition box was had some light surface

  rust.A

  > But since I

  > A A A A had spark at the plugs it must still be working

  fine.A

  > I

  > cleaned it

  > A A A A up anyway while I had it out

  > A A Stats on my Pantera:

  > A A A * Late model 74

  > A A A * Stock basic 1974 engine with 32K miles and never

  rebuilt

  > A A A * Stock oil pump and fuel pump

  > A A A * Edelbrock performer aluminum intake manifold

  installed

  > nearly 30

  > A A A A years ago

  > A A A * 600 CFM Summit Carb with electric choke and vacuum

  > secondary (same

  > A A A A as the Holley set up I just took off)

  > A A A * Duraspark 2 electronic ignition/distributor (bought

  from

  > Hall in

  > A A A A 1993). Mine has the green plastic colored wire

  support

  > coming from

  > A A A A the control box.A I wonder if this has failed?

  > A A A * New MSD coil (not the oil can type).A Bought this

  about

  > 4

  > months

  > A A A A ago and it was working great.A This is MSD, P/N:

  8207

  > that is one

  > A A A A of the coils Jon Haas (Pantera Electronics)

  recommends

  > for his

  > A A A A system.A I did have a oil filled coil fail in the

  past

  > and that was

  > A A A A easy to diagnose and replace.A This new MSD coil

  made

  > the engine

  > A A A A really run nice!

  > A A A * Stock starter which cranks just fine

  > A A A * New battery (about one year old) which is strong,

  charged

  > and

  > A A A A cranks fine

  > A A A * Standard stock grounds throughout the car. I did

  clean

  up

  > the

  > A A A A braided ground by the end of the transaxle as part

  of

  > general

  > A A A A maintenance a few years ago

  > A A So I've been going through the normal FASTEC approach.A

  Fuel,

  > Air,

  > A A Spark, Timing, Exhaust, Compression.A It has fuel, air,

  > spark,

  > and

  > A A timing.A Compression hasn't been checked yet but it's a

  low

  > mile engine

  > A A which was running super strong.A I think a compression

  issue

  > would have

  > A A shown up with some symptoms rather than running great

  one

  > minute and

  > A A not starting the next.A As far as exhaust that is

  working

  and

  > not

  > A A clogged up in anyway.A I'm at a loss here as to what it

  could

  > be and

  > A A why it ran great one minute and wouldn't start the

  next.A

  > Next

  > I'm

  > A A thinking the Duraspark 2 box may have failed.A Not sure

  if

  > those fail

  > A A in a mode where you get spark at the plug but the timing

  of

  > the

  > spark

  > A A is off due to the box failing? Any suggestions are

  > appreciated.

  > A A Thanks, Mike

  > A A P.S.A I will post this on the Forum as well to get

  additional

  > input.A I

  > A A really want to get driving again : )

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  28. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   Mike R,
   From one of your previous posts you state you are using as Dura spark
   II. I haven't heard if you are using a ballast resistor. I found
   information stateing it is necessasry and one saying not to use one.
   The following diagram shows one used.
   [1]https://www.painlessperformance.com/Manuals/30812.pdf
   So my question is are you using a ballast resistor?
   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
   ! )

   On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 8:17:16 AM CDT, FAITH MCCALL
   <rfmccall at comcast.net> wrote:
     Mike,
     Please remove and replace the MSD #8207 coil . I had one on my
   Pantera
     for nearly 15 years and it did an excellent job. I have installed
   them
     on numerous Panteras but recently ( over the past two years)  I have
     had four of them crap out within the first 6 months of use.
     Most of them just die but on one of the cars, the car died and
     restarted several times until , on about the 4th time, it died and
     would not start.
     I have spoken with MSD about it and they don't seem to care and have
     offered no solution. For anyone running this coil, put your hand on
   it
     after a 30 minute drive and feel how hot it gets. It doesn't seem to
     matter where it is mounted. It runs extremely hot. Please take it off
     and throw it away . Or at least carry a spare with you .
     Ron McCall
     On May 17, 2020 at 12:59 AM Mike Reilly < [1][2]reillyms at live.com>
   wrote:
     Yeah Charles, I also suspect my Duraspark ignition box may have
   failed
     in some odd fashion. I still get spark at the plug so I assume it's
     still working? I have read that it can provide spark but provide it
   at
     the wrong time in a failure mode sometimes. Did you get spark at the
     plug and still have your MSD box failing? That will definitely one of
     the things I look at further.
     Thanks! Mike R.
     From: [2][3]charlesmccall at gmail.com<mailto:
   [3][4]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
     Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:42 PM
     To: 'Mike Reilly'<mailto: [4][5]reillyms at live.com>; 'Asa Jay
     Laughton'<mailto: [5][6]asajay at asajay.com>;
     [6][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
     [7][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
     timing etc. Baffled and need Advice
     Just in case it isn't your ignition switch (this diagnosis was made
     based on
     the understanding that the engine runs just fine with the key in the
     "start"
     position but not "run". I did not understand that this is the case,
     others
     did, so perhaps you could clarify?) I have had several MSD electronic
     ignition boxes fail weirdly. I have had everything from a completely
     dead
     engine, as you describe, to one that ran rough and wouldn't rev about
     3000
     rpm. I now carry a spare unit, and if my engine starts to misbehave I
     swap
     out the MSD unit and see if the problem has disappeared. More than
     once, it
     has. You have a different brand, but they could fail the same - can
   you
     borrow one to try?
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso < [8][9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
   Behalf
     Of Mike
     Reilly
     Sent: 17. maj 2020 09:57
     To: Asa Jay Laughton < [9][10]asajay at asajay.com>;
     [10][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
     timing
     etc. Baffled and need Advice
     Thanks for the thoughts everyone. Now that I have verified that the
     distributor pin is there and in good shape I reinstalled the
     distributor.
     Checked timing and still would not start. Here is a video of me
   trying
     to
     start it before my first post. I tried no throttle, two pumps on the
     throttle and then holding the throttle to the floor.

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     Next I will check out the ignition switch. I do have a spare if I
   need
     it
     which I bought probably 20 years ago at the San Diego swap meet when
   I
     lived
     there.
     One thing I had thought I listed in my initial email but seemed to
   have
     forgotten to add was that a month or so ago I was driving down a 40
   MPH
     side
     street and the car just died. I had to coast to a safe parking lot.
     When I
     stopped it did restart and drove with no problem. Maybe this points
   to
     the
     ignition switch as well. Sorry I left that out : ( We also had an
     internet
     outage for the past three days so I was composing mail on a small
     mobile
     device with spotty connections. Internet is back up but now I need to
     get
     the Pantera back in commission. Thanks, Mike R.
     From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso<mailto:
     [12][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:02 PM
     To:
     [13][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
     [14][15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
     timing
     etc. Baffled and need Advice
     Sounds more like it could be the column switch.
     My initial thought was the timing gear, nylon, old, breaks off, lets
     the
     chain jump a few teeth. Ask me how I know.
     Soooo... when that happened to -me-, the engine cranked over very
     -smoothly- with no backfires in the carb and none out the exhaust, it
     just
     wouldn't start. It wouldn't even catch. But boy it turned over real
     smooth, like a Singer sewing machine.
     Since this one sounds like it catches but doesn't stay running, I'd
     lean
     toward the ignition switch.
     By the way, I was able to see my cam gear had broken nylon by looking
     through the distributor hole. Not easy to do, but that's what showed
   me
     the
     nylon was gone.
     Asa Jay
     Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County
     ARES-RACES-ACS
     EC/RO
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     On 5/16/2020 19:05, B Hower via DeTomaso wrote:
     How far off does the timing have to be before you no longer get any
     backfire while cranking ? I may be confused again, but it seems he
   has
     spark while cranking, thus cam is turning so should have air, gas
     squirts at carburetor. So if gas at cylinder and spark at cylinder,
     shouldn't you get some type of back fire?
     Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
   be
     ! )
     On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 8:51:28 PM CDT, Dave Londry
     < [17][18]davel at trguys.com> wrote:
     Yes, if not spark or fuel or air, then timing.
     And per Sean, pin in distributor gear, timing gear or timing chain
     gone
     past by a few links.
     Dave
     On 2020-05-16 4:43 p.m., Sean Korb wrote:
     Oh! Without taking the pump and cover off you can check the chain
     slack
     from the fuel pump hole.A Reach in before the eccentric and see if
     itas loose.A Itas going to have some play but it will feel really
     slack if the teeth have started to decay.
     On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:39 PM Sean Korb
     [1]<[1][1] [18][19]spkorb at gmail.com>
     wrote:
     A timing light will show how close your timing is.A I worry the pin
     is
     sheared but binding on the shaft.A It should still be checkable by
     sight which sounds like what you have done.A The other thing to
     check,
     since you have a stock timing set, is the nylon gear on the cam.A
     These can crack and fall into your oil pan. A compression check can
     help verify it but if itas that far off youall hear it draw as well
     as
     compress without even having to put a gauge on it.
     Iam hoping itas just the ballast resistor but if you have stock 50
     year
     old nylon gears, put replacing them on the list.
     Sean
     On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:06 PM Mike Reilly
     [2]<[2][2] [19][20]reillyms at live.com>
     wrote:
     A A Hi all. I'm having a starting issue with my Pantera that has
     me
     A A baffled.A I've had the car since 1992 and it's never left me
     stranded.
     A A It's been running strong and starting immediately including
     right
     A A before this situation.A Last weekend I started a drive with
     a
     planned
     A A stop at a pet supply store near my house on my way out.A So,
     the car
     A A started just fine at home, warmed up a bit and then drove
     perfectly the
     A A 1/2 mile to the pet supply store.A I turned the car off,
     bought dog
     A A food and then got back in to continue my drive.A Well, the
     car
     would
     A A not start.A It turned over fine, the battery was strong, the
     starter
     A A was cranking but it would not start seemly like it couldn't
     get
     a
     A A spark.A I pulled the air cleaner and could see that it was
     getting fuel
     A A as the fuel would squirt in the carb when I gave it
     throttle.A
     I
     A A thought I may have flooded it so I let it sit 15-20 mins and
     tried
     A A again.A Same issue.A I pulled the driver side rear most
     plug
     wire and
     A A hooked up my spark tester.A It showed spark just fine.A I
     let
     it sit
     A A for an hour.A Same issue.A It cranked fine, would sound
     like
     it wanted
     A A to fire but would not.A Even when I floored the gas pedal
     while
     A A cranking it (like for a flooded engine) it would rev up very
     high like
     A A it was running but would not catch to keep running.A I then
     pulled all
     A A the plugs and cleaned them with parts cleaner I had with me.A
     They
     A A looked dry but black indicating they were carbon fouled which
     was
     A A probably from me trying to start it over and over creating a
     rich
     A A condition.A So I ended up getting it towed the 1/2 mile back
     to my
     A A house on a flatbed.A : (A The next day when home I did the
     following
     A A (stats on my car listed at bottom of mail):
     A A A * Checked fuel coming into the carb.A It was fine
     A A A * Changed to all new spark plugs. I checked for spark and
     it
     was
     A A A A getting spark at the plug just fine.A I gapped the new
     plugs at
     A A A A .054 based on research on this forum and other Ford
     sources for a
     A A A A 1974 351c in stock condition with an electronic
     ignition.A The one
     A A A A I tested showed good strong spark.
     A A A * Pulled distributor cap and it looked fine as did the
     rotor.A They
     A A A A are both about a year old.
     A A A * Turned rotor to see if it spun freely (e.g. roll pin may
     have
     A A A A sheared).A Rotor would not turn by hand so I assume it
     was still
     A A A A connected through the shear pin (did check it later
     though)
     A A A * Changed carburetor to the new Summit Racing carb I had
     recently
     A A A A purchased since I did notice my really old Holley 600
     was
     leaking
     A A A A fuel at the base plate area.A However it was running
     fine and
     A A A A strong before I pulled it but it may have been running
     rich based
     A A A A on reading the plugs. The new carb had fuel squirting
     so
     looked
     A A A A good.A Figured since I had spark, that maybe there was
     some issue
     A A A A with the Holley.A Same symptoms with the new
     carb....didn't start
     A A A A in the same manner.
     A A A * Pulled front engine cover to check static timing.A
     Cranked the
     A A A A engine by hand via the crank pulley and moved it to
     show
     the timing
     A A A A mark (16 deg BTDC) on the timing marker that I had set
     last year.
     A A A A The distributor rotor moved just fine to point to the
     #1
     sparkplug
     A A A A wire location at this timing.A This tells me that the
     distributor
     A A A A shear pin was probably fine and the timing chain is
     still
     keeping
     A A A A things lined up
     A A A * Still had the same issue of not starting with the same
     symptoms
     A A A * Pulled the distributor to check to see if the roll pin
     sheared or
     A A A A partially sheared.A It looked perfectly fine.A I did
     notice the
     A A A A inside of the distributor where the magnetic signal is
     captured and
     A A A A the metal wheel that rotates with the rotor to align to
     the sender
     A A A A from the ignition box was had some light surface rust.A
     But since I
     A A A A had spark at the plugs it must still be working fine.A
     I
     cleaned it
     A A A A up anyway while I had it out
     A A Stats on my Pantera:
     A A A * Late model 74
     A A A * Stock basic 1974 engine with 32K miles and never rebuilt
     A A A * Stock oil pump and fuel pump
     A A A * Edelbrock performer aluminum intake manifold installed
     nearly 30
     A A A A years ago
     A A A * 600 CFM Summit Carb with electric choke and vacuum
     secondary (same
     A A A A as the Holley set up I just took off)
     A A A * Duraspark 2 electronic ignition/distributor (bought from
     Hall in
     A A A A 1993). Mine has the green plastic colored wire support
     coming from
     A A A A the control box.A I wonder if this has failed?
     A A A * New MSD coil (not the oil can type).A Bought this about
     4
     months
     A A A A ago and it was working great.A This is MSD, P/N: 8207
     that is one
     A A A A of the coils Jon Haas (Pantera Electronics) recommends
     for his
     A A A A system.A I did have a oil filled coil fail in the past
     and that was
     A A A A easy to diagnose and replace.A This new MSD coil made
     the engine
     A A A A really run nice!
     A A A * Stock starter which cranks just fine
     A A A * New battery (about one year old) which is strong,
     charged
     and
     A A A A cranks fine
     A A A * Standard stock grounds throughout the car. I did clean
     up
     the
     A A A A braided ground by the end of the transaxle as part of
     general
     A A A A maintenance a few years ago
     A A So I've been going through the normal FASTEC approach.A
     Fuel,
     Air,
     A A Spark, Timing, Exhaust, Compression.A It has fuel, air,
     spark,
     and
     A A timing.A Compression hasn't been checked yet but it's a low
     mile engine
     A A which was running super strong.A I think a compression issue
     would have
     A A shown up with some symptoms rather than running great one
     minute and
     A A not starting the next.A As far as exhaust that is working
     and
     not
     A A clogged up in anyway.A I'm at a loss here as to what it
     could
     be and
     A A why it ran great one minute and wouldn't start the next.A
     Next
     I'm
     A A thinking the Duraspark 2 box may have failed.A Not sure if
     those fail
     A A in a mode where you get spark at the plug but the timing of
     the
     spark
     A A is off due to the box failing? Any suggestions are
     appreciated.
     A A Thanks, Mike
     A A P.S.A I will post this on the Forum as well to get
     additional
     input.A I
     A A really want to get driving again : )
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     Yeah Charles, I also suspect my Duraspark ignition box may have
   failed
     in some odd fashion. I still get spark at the plug so I assume it's
     still working? I have read that it can provide spark but provide it
   at
     the wrong time in a failure mode sometimes. Did you get spark at the
     plug and still have your MSD box failing? That will definitely one of
     the things I look at further.
     Thanks! Mike R.
     From: [1] [100][101]charlesmccall at gmail.com
     Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:42 PM
     To: [2]'Mike Reilly'; [3]'Asa Jay Laughton';
     [4] [101][102]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
     timing etc. Baffled and need Advice
     Just in case it isn't your ignition switch (this diagnosis was made
     based on
     the understanding that the engine runs just fine with the key in the
     "start"
     position but not "run". I did not understand that this is the case,
     others
     did, so perhaps you could clarify?) I have had several MSD electronic
     ignition boxes fail weirdly. I have had everything from a completely
     dead
     engine, as you describe, to one that ran rough and wouldn't rev about
     3000
     rpm. I now carry a spare unit, and if my engine starts to misbehave I
     swap
     out the MSD unit and see if the problem has disappeared. More than
     once, it
     has. You have a different brand, but they could fail the same - can
   you
     borrow one to try?
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso < [102][103]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
   On
     Behalf Of
     Mike
     Reilly
     Sent: 17. maj 2020 09:57
     To: Asa Jay Laughton < [103][104]asajay at asajay.com>;
     [104][105]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
     timing
     etc. Baffled and need Advice
     Thanks for the thoughts everyone. Now that I have verified that the
     distributor pin is there and in good shape I reinstalled the
     distributor.
     Checked timing and still would not start. Here is a video of me
   trying
     to
     start it before my first post. I tried no throttle, two pumps on the
     throttle and then holding the throttle to the floor.
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     Next I will check out the ignition switch. I do have a spare if I
   need
     it
     which I bought probably 20 years ago at the San Diego swap meet when
   I
     lived
     there.
     One thing I had thought I listed in my initial email but seemed to
   have
     forgotten to add was that a month or so ago I was driving down a 40
   MPH
     side
     street and the car just died. I had to coast to a safe parking lot.
     When I
     stopped it did restart and drove with no problem. Maybe this points
   to
     the
     ignition switch as well. Sorry I left that out : ( We also had an
     internet
     outage for the past three days so I was composing mail on a small
     mobile
     device with spotty connections. Internet is back up but now I need to
     get
     the Pantera back in commission. Thanks, Mike R.
     From: Asa Jay Laughton via
     DeTomaso<[6]mailto: [106][107]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:02 PM
     To:
     [107][108]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:
     [108][109]detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
     m>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Won't Start but has fuel, spark, good
     timing
     etc. Baffled and need Advice
     Sounds more like it could be the column switch.
     My initial thought was the timing gear, nylon, old, breaks off, lets
     the
     chain jump a few teeth. Ask me how I know.
     Soooo... when that happened to -me-, the engine cranked over very
     -smoothly- with no backfires in the carb and none out the exhaust, it
     just
     wouldn't start. It wouldn't even catch. But boy it turned over real
     smooth, like a Singer sewing machine.
     Since this one sounds like it catches but doesn't stay running, I'd
     lean
     toward the ignition switch.
     By the way, I was able to see my cam gear had broken nylon by looking
     through the distributor hole. Not easy to do, but that's what showed
     me the
     nylon was gone.
     Asa Jay
     Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County
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     On 5/16/2020 19:05, B Hower via DeTomaso wrote:
     > How far off does the timing have to be before you no longer get
     any
     > backfire while cranking ? I may be confused again, but it seems
     he has
     > spark while cranking, thus cam is turning so should have air,
     gas
     > squirts at carburetor. So if gas at cylinder and spark at
     cylinder,
     > shouldn't you get some type of back fire?
     > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
     not be
     > ! )
     >
     > On Saturday, May 16, 2020, 8:51:28 PM CDT, Dave Londry
     > < [111][112]davel at trguys.com> wrote:
     > Yes, if not spark or fuel or air, then timing.
     > And per Sean, pin in distributor gear, timing gear or timing
     chain
     > gone
     > past by a few links.
     > Dave
     > On 2020-05-16 4:43 p.m., Sean Korb wrote:
     > Oh! Without taking the pump and cover off you can check the
     chain
     > slack
     > from the fuel pump hole.A Reach in before the eccentric and
     see if
     > itas loose.A Itas going to have some play but it will feel
     really
     > slack if the teeth have started to decay.
     > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:39 PM Sean Korb
     [1]<[1][1] [112][113]spkorb at gmail.com>
     > wrote:
     > A timing light will show how close your timing is.A I worry
     the pin
     > is
     > sheared but binding on the shaft.A It should still be
     checkable by
     > sight which sounds like what you have done.A The other thing
     to
     > check,
     > since you have a stock timing set, is the nylon gear on the
     cam.A
     > These can crack and fall into your oil pan. A compression check
     can
     > help verify it but if itas that far off youall hear it draw as
     well
     > as
     > compress without even having to put a gauge on it.
     > Iam hoping itas just the ballast resistor but if you have stock
     50
     > year
     > old nylon gears, put replacing them on the list.
     > Sean
     > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 2:06 PM Mike Reilly
     > [2]<[2][2] [113][114]reillyms at live.com>
     > wrote:
     > A A Hi all. I'm having a starting issue with my Pantera that
     has
     > me
     > A A baffled.A I've had the car since 1992 and it's never
     left me
     > stranded.
     > A A It's been running strong and starting immediately
     including
     > right
     > A A before this situation.A Last weekend I started a drive
     with
     a
     > planned
     > A A stop at a pet supply store near my house on my way
     out.A So,
     > the car
     > A A started just fine at home, warmed up a bit and then
     drove
     > perfectly the
     > A A 1/2 mile to the pet supply store.A I turned the car
     off,
     > bought dog
     > A A food and then got back in to continue my drive.A Well,
     the
     > car
     > would
     > A A not start.A It turned over fine, the battery was
     strong, the
     > starter
     > A A was cranking but it would not start seemly like it
     couldn't
     > get
     > a
     > A A spark.A I pulled the air cleaner and could see that it
     was
     > getting fuel
     > A A as the fuel would squirt in the carb when I gave it
     throttle.A
     > I
     > A A thought I may have flooded it so I let it sit 15-20 mins
     and
     > tried
     > A A again.A Same issue.A I pulled the driver side rear
     most
     plug
     > wire and
     > A A hooked up my spark tester.A It showed spark just
     fine.A I
     > let
     > it sit
     > A A for an hour.A Same issue.A It cranked fine, would
     sound
     like
     > it wanted
     > A A to fire but would not.A Even when I floored the gas
     pedal
     > while
     > A A cranking it (like for a flooded engine) it would rev up
     very
     > high like
     > A A it was running but would not catch to keep running.A I
     then
     > pulled all
     > A A the plugs and cleaned them with parts cleaner I had with
     me.A
     > They
     > A A looked dry but black indicating they were carbon fouled
     which
     > was
     > A A probably from me trying to start it over and over
     creating a
     > rich
     > A A condition.A So I ended up getting it towed the 1/2 mile
     back
     > to my
     > A A house on a flatbed.A : (A The next day when home I did
     the
     > following
     > A A (stats on my car listed at bottom of mail):
     > A A A * Checked fuel coming into the carb.A It was fine
     > A A A * Changed to all new spark plugs. I checked for spark
     and
     > it
     > was
     > A A A A getting spark at the plug just fine.A I gapped
     the new
     > plugs at
     > A A A A .054 based on research on this forum and other
     Ford
     > sources for a
     > A A A A 1974 351c in stock condition with an electronic
     > ignition.A The one
     > A A A A I tested showed good strong spark.
     > A A A * Pulled distributor cap and it looked fine as did
     the
     > rotor.A They
     > A A A A are both about a year old.
     > A A A * Turned rotor to see if it spun freely (e.g. roll
     pin may
     > have
     > A A A A sheared).A Rotor would not turn by hand so I
     assume it
     > was still
     > A A A A connected through the shear pin (did check it
     later
     > though)
     > A A A * Changed carburetor to the new Summit Racing carb I
     had
     > recently
     > A A A A purchased since I did notice my really old Holley
     600
     > was
     > leaking
     > A A A A fuel at the base plate area.A However it was
     running
     > fine and
     > A A A A strong before I pulled it but it may have been
     running
     > rich based
     > A A A A on reading the plugs. The new carb had fuel
     squirting
     so
     > looked
     > A A A A good.A Figured since I had spark, that maybe
     there was
     > some issue
     > A A A A with the Holley.A Same symptoms with the new
     > carb....didn't start
     > A A A A in the same manner.
     > A A A * Pulled front engine cover to check static timing.A
     > Cranked the
     > A A A A engine by hand via the crank pulley and moved it
     to
     show
     > the timing
     > A A A A mark (16 deg BTDC) on the timing marker that I had
     set
     > last year.
     > A A A A The distributor rotor moved just fine to point to
     the
     #1
     > sparkplug
     > A A A A wire location at this timing.A This tells me that
     the
     > distributor
     > A A A A shear pin was probably fine and the timing chain
     is
     > still
     > keeping
     > A A A A things lined up
     > A A A * Still had the same issue of not starting with the
     same
     > symptoms
     > A A A * Pulled the distributor to check to see if the roll
     pin
     > sheared or
     > A A A A partially sheared.A It looked perfectly fine.A I
     did
     > notice the
     > A A A A inside of the distributor where the magnetic
     signal is
     > captured and
     > A A A A the metal wheel that rotates with the rotor to
     align to
     > the sender
     > A A A A from the ignition box was had some light surface
     rust.A
     > But since I
     > A A A A had spark at the plugs it must still be working
     fine.A
     > I
     > cleaned it
     > A A A A up anyway while I had it out
     > A A Stats on my Pantera:
     > A A A * Late model 74
     > A A A * Stock basic 1974 engine with 32K miles and never
     rebuilt
     > A A A * Stock oil pump and fuel pump
     > A A A * Edelbrock performer aluminum intake manifold
     installed
     > nearly 30
     > A A A A years ago
     > A A A * 600 CFM Summit Carb with electric choke and vacuum
     > secondary (same
     > A A A A as the Holley set up I just took off)
     > A A A * Duraspark 2 electronic ignition/distributor (bought
     from
     > Hall in
     > A A A A 1993). Mine has the green plastic colored wire
     support
     > coming from
     > A A A A the control box.A I wonder if this has failed?
     > A A A * New MSD coil (not the oil can type).A Bought this
     about
     > 4
     > months
     > A A A A ago and it was working great.A This is MSD, P/N:
     8207
     > that is one
     > A A A A of the coils Jon Haas (Pantera Electronics)
     recommends
     > for his
     > A A A A system.A I did have a oil filled coil fail in the
     past
     > and that was
     > A A A A easy to diagnose and replace.A This new MSD coil
     made
     > the engine
     > A A A A really run nice!
     > A A A * Stock starter which cranks just fine
     > A A A * New battery (about one year old) which is strong,
     charged
     > and
     > A A A A cranks fine
     > A A A * Standard stock grounds throughout the car. I did
     clean
     up
     > the
     > A A A A braided ground by the end of the transaxle as part
     of
     > general
     > A A A A maintenance a few years ago
     > A A So I've been going through the normal FASTEC approach.A
     Fuel,
     > Air,
     > A A Spark, Timing, Exhaust, Compression.A It has fuel, air,
     > spark,
     > and
     > A A timing.A Compression hasn't been checked yet but it's a
     low
     > mile engine
     > A A which was running super strong.A I think a compression
     issue
     > would have
     > A A shown up with some symptoms rather than running great
     one
     > minute and
     > A A not starting the next.A As far as exhaust that is
     working
     and
     > not
     > A A clogged up in anyway.A I'm at a loss here as to what it
     could
     > be and
     > A A why it ran great one minute and wouldn't start the
     next.A
     > Next
     > I'm
     > A A thinking the Duraspark 2 box may have failed.A Not sure
     if
     > those fail
     > A A in a mode where you get spark at the plug but the timing
     of
     > the
     > spark
     > A A is off due to the box failing? Any suggestions are
     > appreciated.
     > A A Thanks, Mike
     > A A P.S.A I will post this on the Forum as well to get
     additional
     > input.A I
     > A A really want to get driving again : )
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