[DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
j g
notstock at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 24 13:32:35 EST 2020
If you are worried about cv bind at the extent of the suspension travel , lots of off road 930 style cv joints with higher strength bearing cages and increased angle capability are availablehere are some examples https://www.rcvperformance.com/axle-components/cv-joints/930-cv-joints.html
jg
On Monday, February 24, 2020, 12:08:06 PM CST, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
CV Joints have a very narrow suspension compression and expansion range unlike our extended splined drive shafts that Pantera's came with. This narrow CV range is well outside the extra flange adaptor thickness required, so NO you cannot interchange the lengths between 4 bolt flange adaptors and 6 bolt ZF out-put axles. The longer the shaft length, the less the angle, thus the better preforming the CV shaft will work. YES the length does matter.
Larry Stock
On 2/24/20, 9:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Forest Goodhart" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of forestg at att.net> wrote:
The shafts would have to be longer if the adapters are removed and
flanges replaced. If the adapters are 3/4" thick for example removing
them means you need 1 1/2" longer shafts.
On Monday, February 24, 2020, 09:26:20 AM PST, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I suspect the axle lengths would be different.
If the bolt patterns and surfaces are the same on both ends of the
half
shafts, I'd assume the same adapter is used at both ends of the CV
half
shaft.
Ken
On Monday, February 24, 2020, 3:02:25 AM PST, Larry Weston
<[1]lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote:
Are the CV shafts the same for either installation application?
i.e.;
If I got a set to run now with the adapter style flanges, could I
later
on install the CV specific ZF flanges and reuse the same shafts and
other appurtenances?
Are there CV specific flanges for the wheel end also?
Thanks.
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> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:53, Mike Drew <[7][8]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> The website shows all. There are options. You can use bolt-in
adapters, or replace the ZF output flanges with CV flanges, which
is
the superior option.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:40, Ed Mendez <[8][9]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
>>
>> How difficult is the install?
>>
>> Do you have to replace the output shafts on the ZF? Or is this
the
kit that you do not...
>>
>> Thanks, Ed
>>
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>>>> A
>>> A
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>>> cv-axle-
>>>> A A shaft-kit/
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If you are worried about cv bind at the extent of the suspension travel
, lots of off road 930 style cv joints with higher strength bearing
cages and increased angle capability are available
here are some examples
[1]https://www.rcvperformance.com/axle-components/cv-joints/930-cv-join
ts.html
jg
On Monday, February 24, 2020, 12:08:06 PM CST, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
CV Joints have a very narrow suspension compression and expansion range
unlike our extended splined drive shafts that Pantera's came with. This
narrow CV range is well outside the extra flange adaptor thickness
required, so NO you cannot interchange the lengths between 4 bolt
flange adaptors and 6 bolt ZF out-put axles. The longer the shaft
length, the less the angle, thus the better preforming the CV shaft
will work. YES the length does matter.
Larry Stock
i>>?On 2/24/20, 9:36 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Forest Goodhart"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[3]forestg at att.net> wrote:
The shafts would have to be longer if the adapters are removed
and
flanges replaced. If the adapters are 3/4" thick for example
removing
them means you need 1 1/2" longer shafts.
On Monday, February 24, 2020, 09:26:20 AM PST, Ken Green via
DeTomaso
<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I suspect the axle lengths would be different.
If the bolt patterns and surfaces are the same on both ends of
the
half
shafts, I'd assume the same adapter is used at both ends of the
CV
half
shaft.
Ken
On Monday, February 24, 2020, 3:02:25 AM PST, Larry Weston
<[1][5]lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote:
Are the CV shafts the same for either installation
application?
i.e.;
If I got a set to run now with the adapter style flanges,
could I
later
on install the CV specific ZF flanges and reuse the same
shafts and
other appurtenances?
Are there CV specific flanges for the wheel end also?
Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] CV half shaft conversion - opinions
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> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:53, Mike Drew
<[7][8][12]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> The website shows all. There are options. You can use
bolt-in
adapters, or replace the ZF output flanges with CV flanges,
which
is
the superior option.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 10:40, Ed Mendez
<[8][9][13]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
>>
>> How difficult is the install?
>>
>> Do you have to replace the output shafts on the ZF? Or is
this
the
kit that you do not...
>>
>> Thanks, Ed
>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Steve Lisa
<[9][10][14]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> ....pun intended.A It made me chuckle.A
>>> Regards,A
>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>> Email: [10][11][15]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
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