[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 187, Issue 26

Dave McManus Dave at damardirect.com
Sat Feb 1 14:52:40 EST 2020


I remember a discussion years ago. There was a big concern FIRE. It is/was flammable.

IndyDave

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 3:57 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Owen Cooke
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 187, Issue 26

 I read that Evans coolant has a lower heat capacity than water and the engine runs hotter. Have you seen any heat issues?
Ken

    On Friday, January 31, 2020, 11:05:24 AM PST, Owen Cooke <owen at tadhgcooke.com> wrote:  
 
   We are using waterless coolant now and it is a permanent solution to
  boiling and corrosion Evans is the maker and a life saver

  Owen cooke dublin

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  Today's Topics:
      1. Re: Radiator (Jack Donahue)
      2. Fwd: Aluminum vs brass (Jack Donahue)
      3. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Bob)
      4. Re: Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on BaT. - Sold
        at $111K (Mike Thomas)
      5. Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR
        on BaT. - Sold at $111K (Himes, Terry (US 397C))
      6. Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
      7. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Mike Drew)
      8. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Mike Drew)
      9. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Doug)
    10. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Julian Kift)
    11. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
    12. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Curt Hall)
    13. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
    14. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Scott Mead Photography)
    15. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Larry Stock)
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  Message: 1
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:35:04 -0800
  From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
  To: Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
  Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
  Message-ID: <84656478-FAC8-4A11-8B6D-888B29A18CB2 at gmail.com>
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  FWIW - No Rosion is used for copper/brass rads - HyperKuhl for
  aluminum.
  > On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:39 AM, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  >
  > I concur with Jack, replaced mine with aluminum fluidyne and it
  worked just fine.
  >
  > Jim
  >
  > Sent from my iPhone
  >
  >> On Jan 29, 2020, at 23:29, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> ?  IMHO you will get more cooling with any aluminum radiator
  because they
  >>  typically use 4X size tubes inside. Copper radiators cannot use
  such
  >>  huge inner tubes so their water flow & heat transfer is limited. I
  >>  recommend an aluminum  Fluidyne which is a drop in replacement,
  weighs
  >>  less than half the stock unit and holds more water. It MUST be
  handled
  >>  carefully as soft aluminum strips threads easily and coolant MUST
  be
  >>  kept around pH 12.  'No-Rosion' additive is often included with
  >>  aluminum radiators from vendors. Some local tap water is as acidic
  as
  >>  soda pop and will wreck a new aluminum rad in weeks. I don't think
  >>  Ford, GM or Chrysler has used a brass rad, even in trucks, in this
  >>  century.
  >>  The Fluidyne can also be leaned fwd for convenience in working on a
  far
  >>  more efficient shrouded sucker fan system like the Flexilite. Our
  >>  Fluidyne/Flexilite combo has done outstanding duty since 1995 and
  still
  >>  doesn't leak. From city driving , desert cruising to full-on open
  >>  track. Worked for me- J DeRyke
  >>  -----Original Message-----
  >>  From: Himes, Terry (US 397C) via DeTomaso
  >>  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  >>  To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  >>  Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 6:51 pm
  >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator
  >>  Hall is out of radiators.  I heard they had the best. My original
  >>  radiator needs to be replaced.
  >>  About the only thing I have not replaced, and it has always worked
  >>  extremely well, even with
  >>  many trips to the Vegas POCA events and all the fun-runs.
  >>  Anyone know of another source of a drop-in replacement.  I don't
  want
  >>  to do anything crazy.
  >>  (all tubes replaced with stainless steel long-ago)
  >>  Thanks.
  >>  Terry
  >>  "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
  >>  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
  >>  Terry W. Himes
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  >>  Dawn Spacecraft Team
  >>  Juno Systems & Software Team
  >>  TGO Sequence Lead
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  >>  Odyssey Sequence Team
  >>  Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team
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  >>  Cell:    (818) 653-8213
  >>  [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
  >>  i>>?On 1/29/20, 6:37 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of
  >>  [2]charlesmccall at gmail.com"
  >>  <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
  >>  [4]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
  >>      I realize that none of us are answering the question of where
  to
  >>  buy parts, and all of us are commenting the part that he already
  has
  >>  decided, but...
  >>
  >>      My conclusion after reading all the discussions over the years
  is
  >>  that the optimal location depends on the typical operating
  conditions
  >>  of the car. The stock location is probably better for cruising
  around
  >>  town, or for up to medium-speed trips. The stock condenser fans can
  >>  pull in enough air to cool effectively and the radiator isn't
  >>  obstructed during what is probably the most difficult condition to
  keep
  >>  cool. The front-mounted option is better if you spend most of your
  time
  >>  at higher highway speeds, since above X mph, it's been widely
  published
  >>  that a vacuum starts to form behind the condenser, and the higher
  the
  >>  speed, the more it struggles to get air through it. At higher
  speeds,
  >>  there's no issue with engine cooling since the airflow is enough to
  >>  cool the radiator and the condenser, while it might struggle with
  this
  >>  task if it was only the fan during driving around town.
  >>
  >>      In my particular case, if I had it to do over I'd put it up
  front.
  >>  Most of my use consists of driving from one part of Europe to
  another
  >>  at European highway speeds. Or travelling 5-6 hours away within the
  >>  same country to attend some event, but at higher speed to reach the
  >>  place. I could deal with the AC off in the worst case if necessary
  >>  during the puttering around in town until I got on the highway,
  which
  >>  is when wind noise becomes an issue in any case.  In summary,
  neither
  >>  system is perfect for all conditions, so you pick the system based
  on
  >>  your typical conditions.
  >>
  >>      My two rupees
  >>
  >>      -----Original Message-----
  >>      From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
  >>  Behalf Of R.J.
  >>      Sent: jueves, 30 de enero de 2020 2:10
  >>      To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  >>      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Parts List & Sources for Pantera AC
  >>  Installation
  >>
  >>      If done right, a front condenser works way better that the
  stock
  >>  system.
  >>      The correct o-ring style pick ups can be soldierd on the stock
  >>  evaproator.
  >>
  >>      Roland, who is running a front condersers since 25 years on
  several
  >>  Panteras.
  >>
  >>>      Am 29.01.2020 um 21:32 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
  >>> Mike,
  >>>
  >>> The Space City Pantera guys just discussed this on their forum in
  >>  the past few weeks including talk of superior hoses with
  quick-connect
  >>  fittings.
  >>>
  >>> Contact John Taphorn for the specifics.
  >>>
  >>> Mike
  >>>
  >>> Sent from my iPad
  >>>
  >>>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:02, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
  >>  <[7]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>>  One of the major upgrades I plan to do to 6328 will be
  >>  installation of
  >>>>  AC - she's never had it and my lovely passenger said she
  >>  won't take
  >>>>  another long summer cruise without it.  OK then . . .
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>  I know this is a hotly debated subject, but I've decided to
  >>  go with a
  >>>>  front-mounted condenser.  That said, I will need the entire
  >>  setup from
  >>>>  A-Z including all hose runs, mechanical parts, electrical
  >>  switches
  >>>>  (thinking of going with John Haas Pantera Electronics AC
  >>  controller)
  >>>>  and other bits & bobs.  During the restoration, I'll have the
  >>  dash out
  >>>>  so will be able to make any needed changes/upgrades to any of
  >>  the parts
  >>>>  under the dash.
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>  Can somebody help me start getting a list of all parts needed
  >>  and where
  >>>>  I would source them?
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>  Thanks very much!
  >>>>
  >>>>  Mike Thomas
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>  Our email address has changed: Please use
  >>  [1][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com for
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  >>>>
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  Message: 2
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:35:34 -0800
  From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
  To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Aluminum vs brass
  Message-ID: <45B25543-38FD-4A3C-A276-9BF7DE3F6E87 at gmail.com>
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  > Begin forwarded message:
  >
  > From: Jay Ross <norosion at aol.com>
  > Subject: Re: Aluminum vs brass
  > Date: January 30, 2020 at 9:15:32 AM PST
  > To: demongusta at gmail.com
  >
  >
  > Hi Jack,
  >
  > We recommend HyperKuhl  for aluminum radiators, and No-Rosion for
  copper/brass radiators.
  >
  > Thank you,
  >
  > -Jay
  >
  > --
  > Jay Ross
  > Applied Chemical Specialties, Inc.
  > jross at norosion.com | 847-477-9262 (T) | 402-390-9262 (F)
  >
  > ASTM D15 Engine Coolants | D02 Petroleum/Fuels | Member #426562
  > SAE Society of Automotive Engineers | Member #6135528286
  >
  > www.norosion.com | Leading Engine Fluid Technologies
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
  > To: info <info at NoRosion.com>
  > Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 8:09 am
  > Subject: Aluminum vs brass
  >
  > Which product additive is better with aluminum vs brass radiators?
  I?ve heard lots of controversy.
  > John Donahue
  -------------- next part --------------
      Begin forwarded message:
      From: Jay Ross <[1]norosion at aol.com>
      Subject: Re: Aluminum vs brass
      Date: January 30, 2020 at 9:15:32 AM PST
      To: [2]demongusta at gmail.com
      Hi Jack,
      We recommend HyperKuhl  for aluminum radiators, and No-Rosion for
      copper/brass radiators.
      Thank you,
      -Jay
  --
  Jay Ross
  Applied Chemical Specialties, Inc.
  [3]jross at norosion.com | 847-477-9262 (T) | 402-390-9262 (F)
  ASTM D15 Engine Coolants | D02 Petroleum/Fuels | Member #426562
  SAE Society of Automotive Engineers | Member #6135528286
  [4]www.norosion.com | Leading Engine Fluid Technologies
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jack Donahue <[5]demongusta at gmail.com>
      To: info <[6]info at NoRosion.com>
      Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 8:09 am
      Subject: Aluminum vs brass
      Which product additive is better with aluminum vs brass radiators?
  I've
      heard lots of controversy.
      John Donahue
  References
      1. mailto:norosion at aol.com
      2. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
      3. mailto:jross at norosion.com
      4. http://www.norosion.com/
      5. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
      6. mailto:info at NoRosion.com
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  Message: 3
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 18:03:50 +0000 (UTC)
  From: Bob <p6746 at aol.com>
  To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
  Message-ID: <876538158.1598069.1580407430512 at mail.yahoo.com>
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  I also have the poster of image 0 at the entrance to my office, which I
  see and smile at several time a day.? In fact I used his car the basis
  for what I wanted to do to our car during restoration in the 80's and
  90's. RIP Dennis.? Bob Reid
  In a message dated 1/29/2020 4:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  detomaso at server.detomasolist.com writes:
  ? I got the poster you have as image0 in like 1985, and it still graces
  ? the wall of my study / man cave. It was probably partly responsible
  for
  ? my buying a Pantera
  ? RIP
  ? -----Original Message-----
  ? From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  ? To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  ? Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 1:14 pm
  ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
  ? ? All,
  ? ? Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
  ? Fugnetti.
  ? ? ? He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in Southern
  ? ? California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He produced
  ? ? several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
  ? stylized
  ? ? representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
  ? ? featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on the
  ? ? marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
  ? ? [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
  ? ? [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
  ? ? [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
  ? ? [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
  ? ? Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed away.
  ? His
  ? ? business lives on, shared with his daughter:
  ? ? [1][1]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
  ? ? I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold his
  ? ? Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be, not
  all
  ? ? that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
  ? personable.
  ? ? My condolences to his family for what has to have been an untimely
  ? ? passing. :(
  ? ? I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in Monterey,
  ? ? sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
  polished
  ? ? engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
  ? ? toll--everything was corroded.? I took it for a test drive and it
  ran
  ? ? like crap too.? The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran terribly,
  then
  ? ? spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place. We
  ? ? barely made it back to the dealer.? It had been a fine car when he
  ? ? owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let it
  ? fall
  ? ? apart.
  ? ? It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
  ? standard
  ? ? motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari 308
  from
  ? ? the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
  touch
  ? ? with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
  ? ? Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless poster,
  ? which
  ? ? many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
  ? ? Mike
  ? ? Sent from my iPad
  ? References
  ? ? 1. [2]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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      I also have the poster of image 0 at the entrance to my office,
  which I
      see and smile at several time a day.  In fact I used his car the
  basis
      for what I wanted to do to our car during restoration in the 80's
  and
      90's. RIP Dennis.  Bob Reid
      In a message dated 1/29/2020 4:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
      detomaso at server.detomasolist.com writes:
        I got the poster you have as image0 in like 1985, and it still
  graces
        the wall of my study / man cave. It was probably partly
  responsible
      for
        my buying a Pantera
        RIP
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        To: De Tomaso Forum <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
        Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 1:14 pm
        Subject: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
          All,
          Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
        Fugnetti.
            He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in
  Southern
          California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He
  produced
          several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
        stylized
          representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
          featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on
  the
          marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
          [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
          [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
          [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
          [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
          Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed
  away.
        His
          business lives on, shared with his daughter:
          [1][1][3]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
          I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold his
          Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be, not
      all
          that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
        personable.
          My condolences to his family for what has to have been an
  untimely
          passing. :(
          I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in
  Monterey,
          sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
      polished
          engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
          toll--everything was corroded.  I took it for a test drive and
  it
      ran
          like crap too.  The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran terribly,
      then
          spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place.
  We
          barely made it back to the dealer.  It had been a fine car when
  he
          owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let
  it
        fall
          apart.
          It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
        standard
          motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari 308
      from
          the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
      touch
          with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
          Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless poster,
        which
          many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
          Mike
          Sent from my iPad
        References
          1. [2][4]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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      3. https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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  Message: 4
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 11:53:33 -0800
  From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
  To: "'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas'" <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>,
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on
  BaT. - Sold at $111K
  Message-ID: <0bfe01d5d7a6$f4b84e40$de28eac0$@comcast.net>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
  Well sold.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
  Mike
  & Elizabeth Thomas
  Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:56 AM
  To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: [DeTomaso] Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on BaT.
  Currently at $82K.
  <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-43/>
  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-43/
  Mike Thomas
  Our email address has changed: Please use mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
  <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>  for all new messages, thanks!
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  Message: 5
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:51:55 +0000
  From: "Himes, Terry (US 397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
  To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Re: Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in
  Portland, OR on BaT. - Sold at $111K
  Message-ID: <EA5D0100-B057-4925-88F9-525B70B58C3E at jpl.nasa.gov>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
  BaT Yellow Pantera sold for $111k.  today. yippee
  Yellow one's always rule!!  __
  "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
  Terry W. Himes
  JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
  Deep Space Exploration ? Mission Operations
  Dawn Spacecraft Team
  Juno Systems & Software Team
  TGO Sequence Lead
  MEX Sequence Lead
  Odyssey Sequence Team
  Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team
  Phone: (818) 393-6261
  Cell:    (818) 653-8213
  thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
  ?On 1/30/20, 11:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Thomas"
  <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
  mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
      Well sold.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf
  Of Mike
      & Elizabeth Thomas
      Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:56 AM
      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: [DeTomaso] Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on
  BaT.

      Currently at $82K.



        <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-43/>
      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-43/



      Mike Thomas



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  Message: 6
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:12:01 -0600
  From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
  To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Message-ID: <006401d5d7c2$af070dc0$0d152940$@cox.net>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
  Dear Forum,
                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built brakes
  from
  one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The problem is that
  the
  stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The dumb question
  is
  whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.  We do have an
  extra set
  of front shims, but I do not think that they'll fit.  Anyone with
  actual
  knowledge of this bit of stock brake trivia??
                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
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      Dear Forum,
                    An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
  brakes
      from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The problem
  is
      that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The
  dumb
      question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.  We
  do
      have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
      fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
  trivia??
                                    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
  ------------------------------
  Message: 7
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:15:26 -0800
  From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Message-ID: <B4A76F89-90C8-4699-B491-F27004732BD8 at aol.com>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
  Chuck,
  Two things:
  1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
  front anything on the rear.
  2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
  Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
  the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
  which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
  shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
  the thickness of the shim.
  The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
  different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
  very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
  for what they are.
  Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
  descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
  Mike
  Sent from my iPhone
  > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
  >
  >  Dear Forum,
  >
  >
  >                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
  brakes
  >  from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The problem
  is
  >  that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The
  dumb
  >  question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.  We
  do
  >  have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
  >  fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
  trivia??
  >
  >
  >                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
  >
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  Message: 8
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:15:26 -0800
  From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Message-ID: <B4A76F89-90C8-4699-B491-F27004732BD8 at aol.com>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
  Chuck,
  Two things:
  1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
  front anything on the rear.
  2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
  Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
  the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
  which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
  shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
  the thickness of the shim.
  The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
  different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
  very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
  for what they are.
  Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
  descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
  Mike
  Sent from my iPhone
  > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
  >
  >  Dear Forum,
  >
  >
  >                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
  brakes
  >  from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The problem
  is
  >  that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The
  dumb
  >  question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.  We
  do
  >  have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
  >  fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
  trivia??
  >
  >
  >                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
  >
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  Message: 9
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:36:54 -0800
  From: "Doug" <doug351c at gmail.com>
  To: "'Charles Engles'" <cengles at cox.net>,
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Message-ID: <00ae01d5d7ce$8aa4ab20$9fee0160$@gmail.com>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
  Chuck,
  The front spacers will definitely NOT fit the rear.
  The fronts have a 76mm bolt spacing while the rears have a 60mm
  spacing.
  Doug Braun
  Blue 73L #5505
  -----Original Message-----
  From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
  Behalf
  Of Charles Engles
  Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:12 PM
  To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Dear Forum,
                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built brakes
  from
  one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The problem is that
  the
  stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The dumb question
  is
  whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.  We do have an
  extra set
  of front shims, but I do not think that they'll fit.  Anyone with
  actual
  knowledge of this bit of stock brake trivia??
                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
  ------------------------------
  Message: 10
  Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 00:47:59 +0000
  From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
  To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Message-ID:
  <BYAPR08MB6118F1AE1B727EF2CF4AFF0F95070 at BYAPR08MB6118.namprd08.prod.out
  look.com>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
  They would be a fairly easy part to take to a local shop and get a
  bunch laser cut, you'd have thought a vendor would have been all over
  this as the lock tabs are a consumable that weakens after a couple uses
  and the tab breaks off. The caliper bolt spacing isn't that uncommon of
  the era, surely someone must sell equivalent lock tabs that don't come
  in a De Tomaso plastic bag....?
  Alternatively one could drill the bolt heads for safety wiring, or
  purchase pre-drilled bolts. The second option may be more expensive
  than new lock tabs in the short term, but almost infinitely reusable.
  Julian
  ________________________________
  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:15 PM
  To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Chuck,
  Two things:
  1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
  front anything on the rear.
  2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
  Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
  the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
  which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
  shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
  the thickness of the shim.
  The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
  different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
  very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
  for what they are.
  Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
  descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
  Mike
  Sent from my iPhone
  > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
  >
  >  Dear Forum,
  >
  >
  >                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
  brakes
  >  from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The problem
  is
  >  that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The
  dumb
  >  question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.  We
  do
  >  have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
  >  fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
  trivia??
  >
  >
  >                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
  >
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      They would be a fairly easy part to take to a local shop and get a
      bunch laser cut, you'd have thought a vendor would have been all
  over
      this as the lock tabs are a consumable that weakens after a couple
  uses
      and the tab breaks off. The caliper bolt spacing isn't that uncommon
  of
      the era, surely someone must sell equivalent lock tabs that don't
  come
      in a De Tomaso plastic bag....?
      Alternatively one could drill the bolt heads for safety wiring, or
      purchase pre-drilled bolts. The second option may be more expensive
      than new lock tabs in the short term, but almost infinitely
  reusable.
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
  of
      Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:15 PM
      To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
      Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
      Chuck,
      Two things:
      1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put
  a
      front anything on the rear.
      2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
      Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
  underneath
      the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
  tabs
      which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
      shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard
  by
      the thickness of the shim.
      The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
  with
      different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
      very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
  expensive
      for what they are.
      Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
  parts
      descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
      > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
      >
      >  Dear Forum,
      >
      >
      >                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
      brakes
      >  from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The
  problem
      is
      >  that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.
  The
      dumb
      >  question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
  We
      do
      >  have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that
  they'll
      >  fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
      trivia??
      >
      >
      >                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
      >
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  Message: 11
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:15:51 -0600
  From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
  To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <doug351c at gmail.com>, "'Julian
  Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Message-ID: <007c01d5d7d3$fbd8ac10$f38a0430$@cox.net>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
  Dear Mike, Doug and Julian,
                  Thanks for the help.  The brake install is back on
  track.
                                    Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
  Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:15 PM
  To: Charles Engles
  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Chuck,
  Two things:
  1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
  front
  anything on the rear.
  2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
  Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
  the
  head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
  which are
  bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have shims
  between
  caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by the thickness
  of the
  shim.
  The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
  different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
  very
  cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive for
  what
  they are.
  Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
  descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
  Mike
  Sent from my iPhone
  > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
  >
  >  Dear Forum,
  >
  >
  >                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
  brakes
  >  from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The problem
  is
  >  that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The
  dumb
  >  question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.  We
  do
  >  have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
  >  fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
  trivia??
  >
  >
  >                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
  >
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  Message: 12
  Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 02:58:13 +0000 (UTC)
  From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
  To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Message-ID: <1126293398.505520.1580439493933 at mail.yahoo.com>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
  Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the Rear!
  Even with a Custom Bracket?
      On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
  DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  Chuck,
  Two things:
  1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
  front anything on the rear.
  2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
  Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
  the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
  which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
  shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
  the thickness of the shim.
  The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
  different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
  very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
  for what they are.
  Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
  descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
  Mike
  Sent from my iPhone
  > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
  >
  >? Dear Forum,
  >
  >
  >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
  brakes
  >? from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.? The problem
  is
  >? that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.? The
  dumb
  >? question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.? We
  do
  >? have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
  >? fit.? Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
  trivia??
  >
  >
  >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
  >
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  -------------- next part --------------
      Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the
  Rear!
      Even with a Custom Bracket?
      On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
  DeTomaso
      <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
      Chuck,
      Two things:
      1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put
  a
      front anything on the rear.
      2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
      Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
  underneath
      the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
  tabs
      which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
      shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard
  by
      the thickness of the shim.
      The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
  with
      different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
      very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
  expensive
      for what they are.
      Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
  parts
      descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
      > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net>
  wrote:
      >
      >  Dear Forum,
      >
      >
      >                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
      brakes
      >  from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The
  problem
      is
      >  that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The
      dumb
      >  question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
  We
      do
      >  have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
      >  fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
      trivia??
      >
      >
      >                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
      >
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  Message: 13
  Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:36:18 -0600
  From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
  To: "'Curt Hall'" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "'Mike Drew'"
  <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
  Dear Curt,
                Good question.  I do not know the answer.
                I do recall the rear brake mod of the eighties to put a
  second rear caliper on the rear.  It didn?t catch on, but some people
  were trying to get more brake power on the rear brake rotors and they
  used a second small stock rear caliper rather than a front one as you
  suggest.  I suspect that the obstacle is space for a caliper the size
  of the front plus custom mount plus the cable actuated parking brake.
              That is my guess which awaits factual refutation.  FWIW.
                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
  From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
  Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:58 PM
  To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew
  Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
  Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the Rear!
  Even with a Custom Bracket?
  On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  Chuck,
  Two things:
  1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
  front anything on the rear.
  2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
  Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
  the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
  which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
  shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
  the thickness of the shim.
  The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
  different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
  very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
  for what they are.
  Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
  descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
  Mike
  Sent from my iPhone
  > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
  >
  >  Dear Forum,
  >
  >
  >                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
  brakes
  >  from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The problem
  is
  >  that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The
  dumb
  >  question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.  We
  do
  >  have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
  >  fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
  trivia??
  >
  >
  >                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
  >
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      Dear Curt,
                  Good question.  I do not know the answer.
                  I do recall the rear brake mod of the eighties to put a
      second rear caliper on the rear.  It didn't catch on, but some
  people
      were trying to get more brake power on the rear brake rotors and
  they
      used a second small stock rear caliper rather than a front one as
  you
      suggest.  I suspect that the obstacle is space for a caliper the
  size
      of the front plus custom mount plus the cable actuated parking
  brake.
                  That is my guess which awaits factual refutation.  FWIW.
                                    Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
      From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
      Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:58 PM
      To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew
      Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
      Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the
  Rear!
      Even with a Custom Bracket?
      On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
  DeTomaso
      <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
      Chuck,
      Two things:
      1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put
  a
      front anything on the rear.
      2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
      Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
  underneath
      the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
  tabs
      which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
      shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard
  by
      the thickness of the shim.
      The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
  with
      different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
      very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
  expensive
      for what they are.
      Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
  parts
      descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
      > On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net>
  wrote:
      >
      >  Dear Forum,
      >
      >
      >                An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
      brakes
      >  from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.  The
  problem
      is
      >  that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.  The
      dumb
      >  question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
  We
      do
      >  have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
      >  fit.  Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
      trivia??
      >
      >
      >                                  Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
      >
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  Message: 14
  Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 07:40:38 -0800
  From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
  To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
  Message-ID:
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  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
  Such sad news. I?ve know Dennis since I was a kid. I have vivid
  memories of Dennis, blasting past my grandfather and I, on a trek to
  Monterey in the ?80s - twin turbos at full song. He was an amazing
  photographer, and one of my inspirations to shoot vehicles myself. His
  sense of lighting, scale and design is unparalleled. He could make an
  ugly duckling look like a prince, and a Countach the lust of every boy
  that could afford a poster. His rear-quarter shot of a Lamborghini
  Miura that was posted last year, captured the complete essence of the
  car in a single shot.
  Aside from being a fantastic shooter, he was true car guy and one of
  the nicest people I?ve ever met. RIP, Dennis. Keep those turbos spoiled
  at full song.
  Sent from my iPhone
  >> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  > ?  All,
  >
  >  Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
  Fugnetti.
  >    He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in Southern
  >  California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He produced
  >  several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
  stylized
  >  representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
  >  featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on the
  >  marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
  >
  >  [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
  >  [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
  >  [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
  >  [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
  >
  >  Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed away.
  His
  >  business lives on, shared with his daughter:
  >
  >  [1]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
  >
  >  I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold his
  >  Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be, not
  all
  >  that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
  personable.
  >  My condolences to his family for what has to have been an untimely
  >  passing. :(
  >
  >  I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in Monterey,
  >  sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
  polished
  >  engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
  >  toll--everything was corroded.  I took it for a test drive and it
  ran
  >  like crap too.  The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran terribly,
  then
  >  spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place. We
  >  barely made it back to the dealer.  It had been a fine car when he
  >  owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let it
  fall
  >  apart.
  >
  >  It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
  standard
  >  motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari 308
  from
  >  the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
  touch
  >  with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
  >
  >  Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless poster,
  which
  >  many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
  >
  >  Mike
  >  Sent from my iPad
  >
  > References
  >
  >  1. https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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  Message: 15
  Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:28:27 -0800
  From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
  To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Mike Drew
  <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
  Message-ID: <E517A392-9046-45DB-A309-B17A3526F61F at panteraparts.com>
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  Best said, only coming from Scott
  ?On 1/31/20, 7:40 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
  <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
  scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
      Such sad news. I?ve know Dennis since I was a kid. I have vivid
  memories of Dennis, blasting past my grandfather and I, on a trek to
  Monterey in the ?80s - twin turbos at full song. He was an amazing
  photographer, and one of my inspirations to shoot vehicles myself. His
  sense of lighting, scale and design is unparalleled. He could make an
  ugly duckling look like a prince, and a Countach the lust of every boy
  that could afford a poster. His rear-quarter shot of a Lamborghini
  Miura that was posted last year, captured the complete essence of the
  car in a single shot.

      Aside from being a fantastic shooter, he was true car guy and one
  of the nicest people I?ve ever met. RIP, Dennis. Keep those turbos
  spoiled at full song.


      Sent from my iPhone

      >> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
      > ?  All,
      >
      >  Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
  Fugnetti.
      >    He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in
  Southern
      >  California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He
  produced
      >  several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
  stylized
      >  representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
      >  featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on
  the
      >  marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
      >
      >  [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
      >  [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
      >  [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
      >  [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
      >
      >  Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed
  away. His
      >  business lives on, shared with his daughter:
      >
      >  [1]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
      >
      >  I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold
  his
      >  Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be,
  not all
      >  that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
  personable.
      >  My condolences to his family for what has to have been an
  untimely
      >  passing. :(
      >
      >  I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in
  Monterey,
      >  sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
  polished
      >  engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
      >  toll--everything was corroded.  I took it for a test drive and
  it ran
      >  like crap too.  The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran
  terribly, then
      >  spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place.
  We
      >  barely made it back to the dealer.  It had been a fine car when
  he
      >  owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let
  it fall
      >  apart.
      >
      >  It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
  standard
      >  motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari
  308 from
      >  the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
  touch
      >  with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
      >
      >  Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless
  poster, which
      >  many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
      >
      >  Mike
      >  Sent from my iPad
      >
      > References
      >
      >  1. https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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