[DeTomaso] Remote Decklid Release
Björn Carlsson
bjocar01 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 10 01:21:20 EST 2020
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/björn, why keep things simple?
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:03 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 19:04, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Mike,
> Ach du Lieber! The very early Panteras had a remote
> mechanical rear decklid release?? I did not know that. Does it
> resemble the front hood release system? Pictures?
>
> >>>Chuck,
>
> It's been staring you in the face for years. Open your hymnal to the
> section on decklid and associated parts:
>
> [1]https://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/2016/ill27c.html
> I have had extensive experience working with these things in Stephane
> Bergeron's car, #1256. If you look in the registry there are many
> detailed photos I took of various elements of the system.
>
> [2]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNLC01256/
> RTHPNLC01256.asp
>
> The handle is the same as the trunk latch on an Alfa Romeo Spyder. The
> original Pantera handle didn't have a lock, but he replaced his with an
> Alfa version, and the only one he could find did have a lock (no bad
> thing perhaps).
>
> But the system is fatally flawed. The handle is set into the driver's
> side B-pillar post. There is a long cable (same kind as used for the
> front trunk) which snakes behind the gas tank, then through the
> wheelhouse into the fender wall, then back through the fender well and
> into the side of the latch (same kind as used for the front trunk too).
>
> But here is the huge gotcha. The front end of the cable is secured to
> the lever with a nut and bolt arrangement, like the front trunk. If the
> cable breaks or slips out of the lever, you need to remove the lever to
> fix it.
>
> Ah, but the lever has studs, and is secured to the B-pillar post with
> two nuts. They are completely inaccessible as they are completely
> blocked by the gas tank. So in order to reconnect the latch you first
> have to remove the gas tank.
>
> But to remove the gas tank you first have to remove the engine and
> gearbox.
>
> What's Step One of removing the engine and gearbox?
>
> Open the decklid!
>
> It's like Abbot and Costello's "Who's on first?" routine. Eliminating
> that whole system in favor of our tried and true push button
> arrangement is literally the first major improvement to the Pantera
> that Ford instituted, I think.
>
> As for Stephane's car, it was a real struggle to get the system
> working. His old cable was completely screwed. Where do you find a
> replacement cable that's ten feet long? Bike shops have brake cable,
> but it's typically sold in typical bike lengths.
>
> We finally found a place clear on the other side of Paris that could
> fabricate a cable to length. It took the better kart of a day to drive
> there and back. We also created a secondary emergency cable that can be
> accessed from outside the car, following the same philosophy used for
> the front trunk.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 8:43 PM
> To: Mike & Elizabeth
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Remote Decklid Release
> Mike,
> I recommend don't.
> For a variety of reasons it's not a smart idea. The original Panteras
> came with such a system but they quickly ditched it once the problems
> started piling up, and only the first 275 or so cars had it.
> You have enough problems to overcome at the moment. Don't create more
> for yourself for no gain and potentially lots of downside.....
> Mike (hey, you asked....)
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 18:24, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I am planning to add a remote rear decklid release to 6328 as part
> of
>
> the restoration. Pinging the forum to see what others have used
> and/or
>
> what you can recommend.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
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> References
>
> 1. https://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/2016/ill27c.html
> 2.
> http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNLC01256/RTHPNLC01256.asp
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/bjAP:rn, why keep things simple?A A
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 7:03 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A On Dec 9, 2020, at 19:04, Charles Engles
<[2]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
A A Dear Mike,
A A A A A A A Ach du Lieber!A The very early Panteras had a
remote
A A mechanical rear decklid release??A I did not know that.A Does
it
A A resemble the front hood release system?A Pictures?
A A >>>Chuck,
A A It's been staring you in the face for years. Open your hymnal
to the
A A section on decklid and associated parts:
A A [1][3]https://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/2016/ill27c.html
A A I have had extensive experience working with these things in
Stephane
A A Bergeron's car, #1256.A If you look in the registry there are
many
A A detailed photos I took of various elements of the system.
A
A [2][4]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPN
LC01256/
A A RTHPNLC01256.asp
A A The handle is the same as the trunk latch on an Alfa Romeo
Spyder. The
A A original Pantera handle didn't have a lock, but he replaced his
with an
A A Alfa version, and the only one he could find did have a lock
(no bad
A A thing perhaps).
A A But the system is fatally flawed. The handle is set into the
driver's
A A side B-pillar post. There is a long cable (same kind as used
for the
A A front trunk) which snakes behind the gas tank, then through the
A A wheelhouse into the fender wall, then back through the fender
well and
A A into the side of the latch (same kind as used for the front
trunk too).
A A But here is the huge gotcha. The front end of the cable is
secured to
A A the lever with a nut and bolt arrangement, like the front
trunk. If the
A A cable breaks or slips out of the lever, you need to remove the
lever to
A A fix it.
A A Ah, but the lever has studs, and is secured to the B-pillar
post with
A A two nuts.A They are completely inaccessible as they are
completely
A A blocked by the gas tank. So in order to reconnect the latch you
first
A A have to remove the gas tank.
A A But to remove the gas tank you first have to remove the engine
and
A A gearbox.
A A What's Step One of removing the engine and gearbox?
A A Open the decklid!
A A It's like Abbot and Costello'sA "Who's on first?" routine.
Eliminating
A A that whole system in favor of our tried and true push button
A A arrangement is literally the first major improvement to the
Pantera
A A that Ford instituted, I think.
A A As for Stephane's car, it was a real struggle to get the system
A A working. His old cable was completely screwed.A Where do you
find a
A A replacement cable that's ten feet long?A Bike shops have brake
cable,
A A but it's typically sold in typical bike lengths.
A A We finally found a place clear on the other side of Paris that
could
A A fabricate a cable to length. It took the better kart of a day
to drive
A A there and back. We also created a secondary emergency cable
that can be
A A accessed from outside the car, following the same philosophy
used for
A A the front trunk.
A A Cheers!
A A Mike
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
A A Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
A A Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 8:43 PM
A A To: Mike & Elizabeth
A A Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Remote Decklid Release
A A Mike,
A A I recommend don't.
A A For a variety of reasons it's not a smart idea. The original
Panteras
A A came with such a system but they quickly ditched it once the
problems
A A started piling up, and only the first 275 or so cars had it.
A A You have enough problems to overcome at the moment.A Don't
create more
A A for yourself for no gain and potentially lots of downside.....
A A Mike (hey, you asked....)
A A Sent from my iPad
A A A On Dec 9, 2020, at 18:24, Mike & Elizabeth
<[7]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A A I am planning to add a remote rear decklid release to
6328 as part
A A A of
A A A the restoration.A Pinging the forum to see what others
have used
A A A and/or
A A A what you can recommend.
A A A Thanks
A A A Mike Thomas
A A A _______________________________________________
A A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
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References
A A 1. [12]https://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/2016/ill27c.html
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[13]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNLC01
256/RTHPNLC01256.asp
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Tel. +46 708 983430
References
1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
2. mailto:cengles at cox.net
3. https://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/2016/ill27c.html
4. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNLC01256/
5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
12. https://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/2016/ill27c.html
13. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNLC01256/RTHPNLC01256.asp
14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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