[DeTomaso] Throttle Pedal Variants
Larry Montgomery
larrym at charter.net
Sun Mar 31 19:03:27 EDT 2019
I had the space between my throttle and brake pedals increased by Steve
Wilkinson. He did the modifications in his shop, and did not use anyone
else's parts. Works well, gave my size 13s a little more room to move.
He also installed a factory spacer to move the whole pedal assembly
about 2" farther away. Give Steve a call for specifics if you're
interested.
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> 2. Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (Julian Kift)
> 3. Re: Installing early front bumpers on smooth nose Pantera
> (Larry Stock)
> 4. Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (Himes, Terry (397C))
> 5. Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (Larry Stock)
> 6. Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (Richard Greenblum)
> 7. Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (Jerry Knotts)
> 8. Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (L GRAY)
> 9. Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (Charles Engles)
> 10. Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (Ken Green)
> 11. Re: Installing early front bumpers on smooth nose Pantera
> (Mike Drew)
> 12. Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther (Ed Mendez)
> 13. Re: Ares Design Project 1 Panther (gt40 at sbcglobal.net)
> 14. Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16, 2019
> (Mike Drew)
> 15. Re: Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16,
> 2019 (B Hower)
> 16. Re: Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16,
> 2019 (audionut at hushmail.com)
> 17. Re: Installing early front bumpers on smooth nose Pantera
> (Ken Green)
> 18. Toasted pony-car (Steve)
> 19. Re: Toasted pony-car (Mike Drew)
> 20. Re: Toasted pony-car (marshallgsmith)
> 21. Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Toasted pony-car (Himes, Terry (397C))
> 22. Re: Toasted pony-car (Ken Green)
> 23. Re: Toasted pony-car (Scott Mead Photography)
> 24. Re: Toasted pony-car (audionut motonut)
> 25. Passenger window (Steve)
> 26. An orphaned AC cooled intercooler project (Ken Green)
> 27. Re: Ares Design Project 1 Panther (Dave Londry)
> 28. Re: Passenger window (Dave Londry)
> 29. Re: [EXTERNAL] An orphaned AC cooled intercooler project
> (Himes, Terry (397C))
> 30. An orphaned AC cooled intercooler project (Garth Rodericks)
> 31. Re: [EXTERNAL] An orphaned AC cooled intercooler project
> (Jeff Cobb)
> 32. Re: [EXTERNAL] An orphaned AC cooled intercooler project
> (Sean Korb)
> 33. Distributors (Richard Greenblum)
> 34. Re: [EXTERNAL] An orphaned AC cooled intercooler project
> (Himes, Terry (397C))
> 35. Re: DE TOMASO - PANTERA GTS (timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com)
> 36. Re: Distributors (jderyke at aol.com)
> 37. Re: Distributors (Richard Greenblum)
> 38. Re: Distributors (billmoore6480)
> 39. Re: Distributors (Charles McCall)
> 40. Re: Distributors (Dave Londry)
> 41. Re: Distributors (Don Thomas)
> 42. Time to wake-up the list - here are a few Pantera videos to
> brighten your day (Garth Rodericks)
> 43. Re: Time to wake-up the list - here are a few Pantera videos
> to brighten your day (Ken Green)
> 44. Re: Time to wake-up the list - here are a few Pantera videos
> to brighten your day (Mike Drew)
> 45. Re: Time to wake-up the list - here are a few Pantera videos
> to brighten your day (Peter Menyhart)
> 46. How is your car, and are you done with the control arm
> bushing tools? (Ken Green)
> 47. 15-inch GT5 non-original wheels needed (Mike Drew)
> 48. Trivial Techno Question: source for the central cooling pipe
> grommets (Charles Engles)
> 49. Re: Trivial Techno Question: source for the central cooling
> pipe grommets (Forest Goodhart)
> 50. Re: Trivial Techno Question: source for the central cooling
> pipe grommets (Julian Kift)
> 51. Re: 15-inch GT5 non-original wheels needed (Julian Kift)
> 52. Re: Trivial Techno Question: source for the central cooling
> pipe grommets (Mike Drew)
> 53. Re: Trivial Techno Question: source for the central
> coolingpipe grommets (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 54. Re: 15-inch GT5 non-original wheels needed (Julian Kift)
> 55. Unknown1428 (The DeTomaso Registry Guy)
> 56. Re: Unknown1428 (Tom Cabanski)
> 57. Re: Unknown1428 (audionut motonut)
> 58. Re: Unknown1428 (Ken Green)
> 59. Re: Unknown1428 (Dave Londry)
> 60. Re: Unknown1428 (Jim Kosloskey)
> 61. Re: Unknown1428 (Paul Rimov)
> 62. Re: Unknown1428 (Mike Drew)
> 63. Re: Unknown1428 (Mike Drew)
> 64. Re: Unknown1428 (gt40 at sbcglobal.net)
> 65. Insurance (Tom Cabanski)
> 66. Re: Insurance (Asa Jay Laughton)
> 67. Re: Insurance (Julian Kift)
> 68. Re: [EXTERNAL] Insurance (Himes, Terry (397C))
> 69. Re: Insurance (Mike Drew)
> 70. Re: Insurance (timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com)
> 71. Re: Insurance (MARK CHARLTON)
> 72. Re: Insurance (Larry Larsen)
> 73. Re: Insurance (Mike Drew)
> 74. Re: Insurance (Curt Hall)
> 75. Re: Unknown1428 (Will Kooiman)
> 76. Glove box hinge hardware upgrade (Larry Finch)
> 77. Re: Insurance (Larry Larsen)
> 78. Fuel Injection (Richard Greenblum)
> 79. Re: Fuel Injection (Thomas T?rnblom)
> 80. Re: Fuel Injection (Julian Kift)
> 81. Re: Insurance (Dennis Valdez)
> 82. Re: Insurance (Ken Green)
> 83. Re: Insurance (Jim Wallace)
> 84. Insurance (Garth Rodericks)
> 85. Re: [EXTERNAL] Insurance (Himes, Terry (397C))
> 86. Re: [EXTERNAL] Insurance (B Hower)
> 87. Fwd: Listing From Hemmings - 1974+DeTomaso+Pantera+GTS+GTS
> (Jack Donahue)
> 88. Throttle pedal variants?? (Larry Finch)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 11:39:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
> Message-ID: <1729836238.335373.1552675163639 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>
> https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
>> Gerry
>>
> -------------- next part --------------
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
> Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's
> EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>
> [1]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
> Gerry
>
> References
>
> 1. https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 20:24:35 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>, Larry Finch
> <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
> Message-ID:
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>
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to their cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be because I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure as hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern rendition is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't look out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World that demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose parent has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to make an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about the departure statement!
>
> Julian
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>
> https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
>> Gerry
>>
> -------------- next part --------------
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
> from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there
> are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those
> same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to their
> cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained
> they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to
> find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's
> because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but
> then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume
> supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in
> my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a
> car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but
> then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be because
> I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure as
> hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe
> that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine
> spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd
> like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he
> designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern rendition
> is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't look
> out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still
> outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the
> current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World that
> demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with
> being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know
> for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon
> fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares
> version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at
> lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a
> driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived
> style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose parent
> has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to make
> an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about the
> departure statement!
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
> Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's
> EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
> [1]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
> > Gerry
> >
>
> References
>
> 1. https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 13:30:45 -0700
> From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Garth
> Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing early front bumpers on smooth nose
> Pantera
> Message-ID: <D8B15890.1F1B10%larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> The 71 two piece chrome bumpers have captured Square nuts that require a
> bolt thru the body to fasten them.
> The one piece L bumper as studs in the bumper that extend thru the body
> that fasten inside the body with nuts, but the main fastening mechanism is
> the Bumper shock supports that extend structurally thru the body.
> Larry
>
> On 3/15/19, 11:37 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
>>
>>
>>
>> The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that
>> protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside. Actually
>> I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender washers onto the
>> studs, which can then positively locate the bumper against the body, and
>> then second nuts secure them from the inside.
>>
>> Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have
>> captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn?t remember that detail.
>>
>> Always learning.....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there are
>>> captive nuts? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and tighten
>>> other nuts against them?
>>> I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and be
>>> adjusted?
>>> Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical paint):
>>> Inline image
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
>>> <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Ken,
>>> How are the studs affixed to the bumpers? Welded/brazed on, or merely
>>> threaded into the bumper? Can you double nut the studs and remove
>>> them?
>>> If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers directly
>>> against the car in the exact position you want them and trace their
>>> outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you could
>>> measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from the
>>> outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on the
>>> body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that the
>>> bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best guess
>>> from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
>>> mounting studs.
>>> If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put a
>>> dab
>>> of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car in
>>> the
>>> desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch the
>>> body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the studs to
>>> the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to drill.
>>> After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill. That
>>> way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
>>> paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
>>> And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed to
>>> be.
>>> Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when the
>>> bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime cartoon
>>> racecar look (see attached pics). One of the dumbest things I've seen
>>> on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look
>>> like,
>>> along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for a
>>> Pantera. :)
>>> Cheers!
>>> Garth
>>> #4033
>>> <early front-3.jpg>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 20:31:49 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, GERRY ROMACK
> <gr2835 at comcast.net>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Larry
> Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Re: Ares Project 1 - Panther
> Message-ID: <A028FF9B-84C4-4539-935B-E2B6E5AE400E at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Well said! I do love the new style. BUT. You just cannot beat the sound of the original Pantera!!
> If and when the new ones come out... the original Pantera marque will soar. IMHO
> Why? Because they are still affordable.
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
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> TGO Sequence Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> ??
>
>
> ?On 3/15/19, 1:24 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to their cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be because I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure as hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern rendition is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't look out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World that demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose parent has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to make an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about the departure statement!
>
> Julian
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>
> https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
> > Gerry
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 13:36:36 -0700
> From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, GERRY ROMACK
> <gr2835 at comcast.net>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Larry Finch
> via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
> Message-ID: <D8B15AD5.1F1B1D%larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Well said Julian
>
> On 3/15/19, 1:24 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
>> from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there
>> are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those
>> same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to their
>> cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained
>> they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to
>> find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's
>> because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>>
>> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but
>> then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume
>> supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in
>> my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a
>> car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but
>> then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be because
>> I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure as
>> hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>>
>> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe
>> that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine
>> spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd
>> like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he
>> designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern rendition
>> is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't look
>> out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still
>> outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the
>> current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World that
>> demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with
>> being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>>
>> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know
>> for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon
>> fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares
>> version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at
>> lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a
>> driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived
>> style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose parent
>> has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to make
>> an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about the
>> departure statement!
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>> GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
>> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>>
>> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
>> Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's
>> EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>> [1]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>> > Gerry
>> >
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
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> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:51:26 -0500
> From: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Julian Kift
> <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>, Larry
> Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
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> Agree.? If I had that kind of money, I?d buy one (without the ?Panther? stripe along the bottom).
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Austin, TX
>
>
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Date: Friday, March 15, 2019 at 15:37
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
>
>
> Well said Julian
>
>
>
> On 3/15/19, 1:24 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
>
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>
> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
>
> from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there
>
> are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those
>
> same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to their
>
> cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained
>
> they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to
>
> find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's
>
> because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>
>
>
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but
>
> then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume
>
> supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in
>
> my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a
>
> car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but
>
> then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be because
>
> I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure as
>
> hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>
>
>
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe
>
> that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine
>
> spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd
>
> like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he
>
> designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern rendition
>
> is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't look
>
> out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still
>
> outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the
>
> current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World that
>
> demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with
>
> being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>
>
>
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know
>
> for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon
>
> fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares
>
> version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at
>
> lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a
>
> driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived
>
> style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose parent
>
> has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to make
>
> an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about the
>
> departure statement!
>
>
>
> Julian
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>
> GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
>
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
>
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
>
> Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's
>
> EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>
> [1]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
> > Gerry
>
> >
>
>
>
> References
>
>
>
> 1. https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
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> Agree. If I had that kind of money, I'd buy one (without the "Panther"
> stripe along the bottom).
>
>
> Richard
>
> Austin, TX
>
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Date: Friday, March 15, 2019 at 15:37
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, GERRY ROMACK
> <gr2835 at comcast.net>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, Larry Finch
> via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
>
> Well said Julian
>
>
> On 3/15/19, 1:24 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
>
> <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>
> [2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
>
> from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there
>
> are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those
>
> same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to
> their
>
> cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained
>
> they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble
> to
>
> find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's
>
> because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>
>
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money,
> but
>
> then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume
>
> supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it
> in
>
> my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a
>
> car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but
>
> then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be
> because
>
> I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure
> as
>
> hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>
>
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan,
> maybe
>
> that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine
>
> spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd
>
> like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he
>
> designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern
> rendition
>
> is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't
> look
>
> out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still
>
> outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the
>
> current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World
> that
>
> demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with
>
> being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>
>
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't
> know
>
> for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched
> carbon
>
> fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares
>
> version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original
> at
>
> lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for
> a
>
> driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived
>
> style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose
> parent
>
> has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to
> make
>
> an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about
> the
>
> departure statement!
>
>
> Julian
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>
>
> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>
> GERRY ROMACK <[4]gr2835 at comcast.net>
>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
>
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
>
> Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's
>
> EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>
>
> [1][5]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute
> /
>
> > Gerry
>
> >
>
>
> References
>
>
> 1.
> [6]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
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> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:11:01 -0500
> From: Jerry Knotts <knottsj at galstar.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
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> Hear hear!
>
> Changes from the push button to the SI and the manufacture still went
> out of business.
>
> jerry knotts
>
> On 3/15/2019 3:24 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
>> from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there
>> are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those
>> same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to their
>> cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained
>> they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to
>> find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's
>> because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>>
>> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but
>> then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume
>> supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in
>> my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a
>> car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but
>> then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be because
>> I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure as
>> hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>>
>> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe
>> that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine
>> spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd
>> like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he
>> designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern rendition
>> is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't look
>> out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still
>> outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the
>> current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World that
>> demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with
>> being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>>
>> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know
>> for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon
>> fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares
>> version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at
>> lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a
>> driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived
>> style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose parent
>> has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to make
>> an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about the
>> departure statement!
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>> GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
>> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>>
>> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
>> Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's
>> EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>> [1]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>> > Gerry
>> >
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>>
>>
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> Hear hear!
>
> Changes from the push button to the SI and the manufacture still went
> out of business.
>
> jerry knotts
>
> On 3/15/2019 3:24 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
>
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
> from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there
> are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those
> same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to their
> cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained
> they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to
> find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's
> because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but
> then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume
> supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in
> my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a
> car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but
> then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be because
> I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure as
> hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe
> that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine
> spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd
> like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he
> designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern rendition
> is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't look
> out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still
> outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the
> current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World that
> demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with
> being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know
> for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon
> fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares
> version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at
> lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a
> driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived
> style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose parent
> has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to make
> an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about the
> departure statement!
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso [1]<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> GERRY ROMACK [2]<gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
> Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's
> EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
> [1][3]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
> > Gerry
> >
>
> References
>
> 1. [4]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 21:23:40 +0000
> From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Larry
> Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
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> Well stated Julian !
>
> Leslie A. Gray
>
>> On Mar 15, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
>> from reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there
>> are no bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those
>> same people that for years embraced any and all modifications to their
>> cars (cue music for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained
>> they weren't worth a dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to
>> find oem parts at scrap value prices and won't drive their Pantera's
>> because they are worth too much and complain about all that too!
>>
>> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but
>> then so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume
>> supercars and coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in
>> my budget no, hell no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a
>> car I'd give it serious consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but
>> then if I was spending that sort of money on a car It would be because
>> I had the means to have a lot of cars! And having bought it I'd sure as
>> hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if not the POCA Fun Rally!
>>
>> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe
>> that would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine
>> spurts into life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd
>> like to think Tom Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he
>> designed so many years ago. Part of the problem of any modern rendition
>> is that the Pantera has stood the test of time so well, it doesn't look
>> out of place against any modern supercar and in some cases can still
>> outshine them. But in reality this Ares isn't a car targeted at the
>> current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition for a modern World that
>> demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have lost touch with
>> being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the road.
>>
>> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know
>> for sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon
>> fiber copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares
>> version. After all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at
>> lower cost? Because, as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a
>> driver, but a car for someone who wants to be driven in perceived
>> style, a status symbol, perhaps for the likes of someone whose parent
>> has just bought their way into an Ivy league school and needs a to make
>> an arrival statement. Whereas, we as Pantera owners are more about the
>> departure statement!
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>> GERRY ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
>> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>>
>> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
>> Lambourgini Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's
>> EX-Partner in Europe who is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>> [1]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>>> Gerry
>>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:48:07 -0500
> From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
> To: "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "'GERRY ROMACK'"
> <gr2835 at comcast.net>, "'Larry Finch'" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "'Larry
> Finch via DeTomaso'" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
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> Dear Julian,
>
>
> Exceedingly well done, sir.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Julian Kift
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 3:25 PM
> To: GERRY ROMACK; Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and from
> reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there are no
> bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those same people
> that for years embraced any and all modifications to their cars (cue music
> for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained they weren't worth a
> dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to find oem parts at scrap
> value prices and won't drive their Pantera's because they are worth too much
> and complain about all that too!
>
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but then
> so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume supercars and
> coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in my budget no, hell
> no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a car I'd give it serious
> consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but then if I was spending that
> sort of money on a car It would be because I had the means to have a lot of
> cars! And having bought it I'd sure as hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if
> not the POCA Fun Rally!
>
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe that
> would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine spurts into
> life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd like to think Tom
> Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he designed so many years ago.
> Part of the problem of any modern rendition is that the Pantera has stood
> the test of time so well, it doesn't look out of place against any modern
> supercar and in some cases can still outshine them. But in reality this Ares
> isn't a car targeted at the current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition
> for a modern World that demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have
> lost touch with being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the
> road.
>
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know for
> sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon fiber
> copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares version. After
> all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at lower cost? Because,
> as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a driver, but a car for
> someone who wants to be driven in perceived style, a status symbol, perhaps
> for the likes of someone whose parent has just bought their way into an Ivy
> league school and needs a to make an arrival statement. Whereas, we as
> Pantera owners are more about the departure statement!
>
> Julian
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of GERRY
> ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged Lambourgini
> Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in Europe who
> is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>
> https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
>> Gerry
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 02:14:28 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'GERRY ROMACK'
> <gr2835 at comcast.net>, 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>, 'Larry
> Finch via DeTomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Charles
> Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
> Message-ID: <1233292349.5824949.1552702468874 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Actually, I think the hard core Vette guys are a lot worse than Pantera folks.? If the original part had over spray, runs, etc, and you clean it up, they consider it sacrilege.
> I guess I'm a moderate because I think some of the new colors, like Larry Finch's car, look fantastic, but anything more than GTS flares turns me off.? Has anyone tracked sales of cars with lots of body mods?? My guess is that the resale is poor and all the $s spent on mods has zero or negative return.
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Julian Kift
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 3:25 PM
> To: GERRY ROMACK; Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and from
> reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there are no
> bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those same people
> that for years embraced any and all modifications to their cars (cue music
> for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained they weren't worth a
> dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to find oem parts at scrap
> value prices and won't drive their Pantera's because they are worth too much
> and complain about all that too!
>
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but then
> so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume supercars and
> coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in my budget no, hell
> no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a car I'd give it serious
> consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but then if I was spending that
> sort of money on a car It would be because I had the means to have a lot of
> cars! And having bought it I'd sure as hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if
> not the POCA Fun Rally!
>
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe that
> would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine spurts into
> life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd like to think Tom
> Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he designed so many years ago.
> Part of the problem of any modern rendition is that the Pantera has stood
> the test of time so well, it doesn't look out of place against any modern
> supercar and in some cases can still outshine them. But in reality this Ares
> isn't a car targeted at the current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition
> for a modern World that demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have
> lost touch with being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the
> road.
>
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know for
> sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon fiber
> copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares version. After
> all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at lower cost? Because,
> as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a driver, but a car for
> someone who wants to be driven in perceived style, a status symbol, perhaps
> for the likes of someone whose parent has just bought their way into an Ivy
> league school and needs a to make an arrival statement. Whereas, we as
> Pantera owners are more about the departure statement!
>
> Julian
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of GERRY
> ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged Lambourgini
> Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in Europe who
> is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>
> https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>
>> Gerry
>>
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> Actually, I think the hard core Vette guys are a lot worse than Pantera
> folks. If the original part had over spray, runs, etc, and you clean
> it up, they consider it sacrilege.
> I guess I'm a moderate because I think some of the new colors, like
> Larry Finch's car, look fantastic, but anything more than GTS flares
> turns me off. Has anyone tracked sales of cars with lots of body
> mods? My guess is that the resale is poor and all the $s spent on mods
> has zero or negative return.
> Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Julian Kift
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 3:25 PM
> To: GERRY ROMACK; Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
> from
> reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there are no
> bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those same
> people
> that for years embraced any and all modifications to their cars (cue
> music
> for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained they weren't worth
> a
> dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to find oem parts at
> scrap
> value prices and won't drive their Pantera's because they are worth too
> much
> and complain about all that too!
> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but
> then
> so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume supercars
> and
> coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in my budget no,
> hell
> no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a car I'd give it
> serious
> consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but then if I was spending
> that
> sort of money on a car It would be because I had the means to have a
> lot of
> cars! And having bought it I'd sure as hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee
> if
> not the POCA Fun Rally!
> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe
> that
> would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine spurts
> into
> life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd like to think
> Tom
> Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he designed so many years
> ago.
> Part of the problem of any modern rendition is that the Pantera has
> stood
> the test of time so well, it doesn't look out of place against any
> modern
> supercar and in some cases can still outshine them. But in reality this
> Ares
> isn't a car targeted at the current Pantera owner, it is a modern
> rendition
> for a modern World that demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who
> have
> lost touch with being one with the car and feeling out every inch of
> the
> road.
> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know
> for
> sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon
> fiber
> copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares version.
> After
> all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at lower cost?
> Because,
> as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a driver, but a car for
> someone who wants to be driven in perceived style, a status symbol,
> perhaps
> for the likes of someone whose parent has just bought their way into an
> Ivy
> league school and needs a to make an arrival statement. Whereas, we as
> Pantera owners are more about the departure statement!
> Julian
> ________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of GERRY
> ROMACK <[3]gr2835 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
> Lambourgini
> Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in
> Europe who
> is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
> [4]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
> > Gerry
> >
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 19:21:03 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Garth
> Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing early front bumpers on smooth nose
> Pantera
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>
> Ken,
>
> Why are you putting square 1971 bumpers on your 1973 car? The round edge bumpers are more plentiful and cheaper. I would trade away the ones you have and get the right ones if possible?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:00, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is what I have, captive nuts in slots, with a C10 LED parking/turn signal that is nearly a perfect fit:
>>
>>
>> <P1020181.JPG>
>> <P1020182.JPG>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:39:58 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>>
>> The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside. Actually I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender washers onto the studs, which can then positively locate the bumper against the body, and then second nuts secure them from the inside.
>>
>> Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn?t remember that detail.
>>
>> Always learning.....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there are
>>> captive nuts? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and tighten
>>> other nuts against them?
>>> I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and be
>>> adjusted?
>>> Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical paint):
>>> Inline image
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
>>> <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Ken,
>>> How are the studs affixed to the bumpers? Welded/brazed on, or merely
>>> threaded into the bumper? Can you double nut the studs and remove
>>> them?
>>> If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers directly
>>> against the car in the exact position you want them and trace their
>>> outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you could
>>> measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from the
>>> outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on the
>>> body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that the
>>> bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best guess
>>> from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
>>> mounting studs.
>>> If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put a dab
>>> of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car in the
>>> desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch the
>>> body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the studs to
>>> the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to drill.
>>> After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill. That
>>> way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
>>> paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
>>> And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed to be.
>>> Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when the
>>> bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime cartoon
>>> racecar look (see attached pics). One of the dumbest things I've seen
>>> on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look like,
>>> along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for a
>>> Pantera. :)
>>> Cheers!
>>> Garth
>>> #4033
>>> <early front-3.jpg>
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>> <P1020181.JPG>
>> <P1020182.JPG>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Ken,
>
> Why are you putting square 1971 bumpers on your 1973 car? The round
> edge bumpers are more plentiful and cheaper. I would trade away the
> ones you have and get the right ones if possible?
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:00, Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> This is what I have, captive nuts in slots, with a C10 LED parking/turn
> signal that is nearly a perfect fit:
> <P1020181.JPG>
> <P1020182.JPG>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:39:58 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Ken,
> The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
> The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that
> protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside.
> Actually I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender
> washers onto the studs, which can then positively locate the bumper
> against the body, and then second nuts secure them from the inside.
> Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have
> captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn't remember that detail.
> Always learning.....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there are
> > captive nuts? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and tighten
> > other nuts against them?
> > I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and be
> > adjusted?
> > Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical paint):
> > Inline image
> >
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
> > <[4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ken,
> > How are the studs affixed to the bumpers? Welded/brazed on, or
> merely
> > threaded into the bumper? Can you double nut the studs and remove
> > them?
> > If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers
> directly
> > against the car in the exact position you want them and trace their
> > outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you
> could
> > measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from the
> > outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on the
> > body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that
> the
> > bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best
> guess
> > from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
> > mounting studs.
> > If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put a
> dab
> > of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car in
> the
> > desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch the
> > body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the studs
> to
> > the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to drill.
> > After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill. That
> > way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
> > paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
> > And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed to
> be.
> > Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when the
> > bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime
> cartoon
> > racecar look (see attached pics). One of the dumbest things I've
> seen
> > on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look
> like,
> > along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for a
> > Pantera. :)
> > Cheers!
> > Garth
> > #4033
> > <early front-3.jpg>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 22:09:23 -0500
> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Cc: Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Larry
> Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
> Message-ID: <FC91B519-4A95-4669-A09D-00A87EC210A8 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> ? I agree!!!
>
> Ed
>
> Forza DeTomaso
>
> Sent from my iPhone X
>
>> On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:48, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Julian,
>>
>>
>> Exceedingly well done, sir.
>>
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Julian Kift
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 3:25 PM
>> To: GERRY ROMACK; Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>>
>> No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and from
>> reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there are no
>> bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those same people
>> that for years embraced any and all modifications to their cars (cue music
>> for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained they weren't worth a
>> dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to find oem parts at scrap
>> value prices and won't drive their Pantera's because they are worth too much
>> and complain about all that too!
>>
>> Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but then
>> so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume supercars and
>> coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in my budget no, hell
>> no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a car I'd give it serious
>> consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but then if I was spending that
>> sort of money on a car It would be because I had the means to have a lot of
>> cars! And having bought it I'd sure as hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if
>> not the POCA Fun Rally!
>>
>> I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe that
>> would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine spurts into
>> life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd like to think Tom
>> Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he designed so many years ago.
>> Part of the problem of any modern rendition is that the Pantera has stood
>> the test of time so well, it doesn't look out of place against any modern
>> supercar and in some cases can still outshine them. But in reality this Ares
>> isn't a car targeted at the current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition
>> for a modern World that demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have
>> lost touch with being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the
>> road.
>>
>> In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know for
>> sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon fiber
>> copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares version. After
>> all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at lower cost? Because,
>> as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a driver, but a car for
>> someone who wants to be driven in perceived style, a status symbol, perhaps
>> for the likes of someone whose parent has just bought their way into an Ivy
>> league school and needs a to make an arrival statement. Whereas, we as
>> Pantera owners are more about the departure statement!
>>
>> Julian
>> ________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of GERRY
>> ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
>> To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
>>
>> The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged Lambourgini
>> Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in Europe who
>> is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
>>
>> https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
>>
>>> Gerry
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 21:43:25 -0700
> From: <gt40 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, "Email List Address For
> Posting" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Design Project 1 Panther
> Message-ID: <BC50E3AA66744391AA78901BA5493251 at DESKTOP2DFQFOR>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> But is it worth more than twice the price of a Huracan?!
> For essentially the same car?!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 7:07 AM
> To: Email List Address For Posting
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ares Design Project 1 Panther
>
> Press release with photos and video (just more stills)
>
> https://www.formacar.com/en/news/view/13716.html
>
> Priced at 615 Euros
>
> Aresdesign.com
>
> Ares is the Greek god of war. Steering wheel logo is of helmeted Ares
>
>
>
>
>
> Does the color look familiar?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 00:03:39 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
> March 16, 2019
> Message-ID: <093B8870-7738-48FE-BD8C-1F1E6A4AE646 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Guys,
>
> Decent-looking ?survivor? Pre-L is a no-sale at $50k.
>
> https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
>
> http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/RTHPNMC03594.asp
>
> FWIW.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: info at hammerpricelive.com
>> Date: March 15, 2019 at 23:01:40 PDT
>> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16, 2019
>>
>>
>>
>> Portfolio Report Saturday, March 16, 2019
>> Pantera
>> 1.
>> 1972 DeTomaso HIGH BID $50,000 USD
>> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
>> EXTERIOR Yellow
>> MECUM
>> INTERIOR Black
>> Lot 158 Phoenix
>> CHASSIS N? THPNMC03594
>> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
>> De Tomaso
>> 1.
>> 1972 DeTomaso HIGH BID $50,000 USD
>> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
>> EXTERIOR Yellow
>> MECUM
>> INTERIOR Black
>> Lot 158 Phoenix
>> CHASSIS N? THPNMC03594
>> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
>> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings.
>> ? 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC
> -------------- next part --------------
> Guys,
>
> Decent-looking `survivor' Pre-L is a no-sale at $50k.
>
> [1]https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
>
> [2]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/
> RTHPNMC03594.asp
>
> FWIW.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: [3]info at hammerpricelive.com
> Date: March 15, 2019 at 23:01:40 PDT
> To: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16, 2019
>
> Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
> Portfolio Report Saturday, March 16, 2019
> Pantera
> 1.
> 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> EXTERIOR Yellow
> Mecum
> INTERIOR Black
> Lot 158 Phoenix
> CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
> De Tomaso
> 1.
> 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> EXTERIOR Yellow
> Mecum
> INTERIOR Black
> Lot 158 Phoenix
> CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the
> app using Settings.
> (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC
>
> References
>
> 1. https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
> 2. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/RTHPNMC03594.asp
> 3. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:44:29 +0000 (UTC)
> From: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Mike Drew
> <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
> March 16, 2019
> Message-ID: <1576844394.5387266.1552736669913 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> But Mike, it is yellow!
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 2:03:59 AM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> ? Guys,
>
> ? Decent-looking `survivor' Pre-L is a no-sale at $50k.
>
> ? [1]https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
>
> ? [2]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/
> ? RTHPNMC03594.asp
>
> ? FWIW.....
>
> ? Mike
>
> ? Sent from my iPad
> ? Begin forwarded message:
>
> ? From: [3]info at hammerpricelive.com
> ? Date: March 15, 2019 at 23:01:40 PDT
> ? To: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> ? Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16, 2019
>
> ? Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
> ? Portfolio Report Saturday, March 16, 2019
> ? Pantera
> ? 1.
> ? 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> ? Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> ? EXTERIOR Yellow
> ? Mecum
> ? INTERIOR Black
> ? Lot 158? ? Phoenix
> ? CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> ? March 15, 2019? ? 5:53PM (EST)
> ? De Tomaso
> ? 1.
> ? 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> ? Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> ? EXTERIOR Yellow
> ? Mecum
> ? INTERIOR Black
> ? Lot 158? ? Phoenix
> ? CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> ? March 15, 2019? ? 5:53PM (EST)
> ? Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the
> ? app using Settings.
> ? (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC
>
> References
>
> ? 1. https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
> ? 2. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/RTHPNMC03594.asp
> ? 3. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
> ? 4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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> But Mike, it is yellow!
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 2:03:59 AM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Guys,
> Decent-looking `survivor' Pre-L is a no-sale at $50k.
> [1][1]https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
>
> [2][2]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC035
> 94/
> RTHPNMC03594.asp
> FWIW.....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: [3][3]info at hammerpricelive.com
> Date: March 15, 2019 at 23:01:40 PDT
> To: [4][4]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16, 2019
> Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
> Portfolio Report Saturday, March 16, 2019
> Pantera
> 1.
> 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> EXTERIOR Yellow
> Mecum
> INTERIOR Black
> Lot 158 Phoenix
> CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
> De Tomaso
> 1.
> 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> EXTERIOR Yellow
> Mecum
> INTERIOR Black
> Lot 158 Phoenix
> CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in
> the
> app using Settings.
> (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC
> References
> 1. [5]https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
> 2.
> [6]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/
> RTHPNMC03594.asp
> 3. mailto:[7]info at hammerpricelive.com
> 4. mailto:[8]MikeLDrew at aol.com
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> 2. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/
> 3. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
> 5. https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
> 6. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/RTHPNMC03594.asp
> 7. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
> 8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 11:59:33 -0700
> From: audionut at hushmail.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
> March 16, 2019
> Message-ID: <20190316185933.D607DE073E at smtp.hushmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Scary things lurking where the sun don't shine?
>
> Smart buyers + owner in "Rust Denial" = no sale.
> Sent using Hushmail
> On 3/16/2019 at 4:44 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso" wrote:But Mike, it is
> yellow!
>
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
> ! )
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 2:03:59 AM CDT, Mike Drew via
> DeTomaso wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Decent-looking `survivor' Pre-L is a no-sale at $50k.
>
> [1]https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
>
>
> [2]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/
> RTHPNMC03594.asp
>
> FWIW.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: [3]info at hammerpricelive.com
> Date: March 15, 2019 at 23:01:40 PDT
> To: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16, 2019
>
> Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
> Portfolio Report Saturday, March 16, 2019
> Pantera
> 1.
> 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> EXTERIOR Yellow
> Mecum
> INTERIOR Black
> Lot 158 Phoenix
> CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
> De Tomaso
> 1.
> 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> EXTERIOR Yellow
> Mecum
> INTERIOR Black
> Lot 158 Phoenix
> CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in
> the
> app using Settings.
> (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC
>
> References
>
> 1. https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera/
> 2.
> http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC03594/RTHPNMC03594.asp
> 3. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
> 4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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> Scary things lurking where the sun don't shine?
>
> Smart buyers + owner in "Rust Denial" = no sale.
>
> Sent using Hushmail
> On 3/16/2019 at 4:44 AM, "B Hower via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> But Mike, it is yellow!
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
> be ! )
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 2:03:59 AM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Guys,
> Decent-looking `survivor' Pre-L is a no-sale at $50k.
>
> [1][1]https://www.mecum.com/lots/AZ0319-366291/1972-detomaso-pantera
> /
>
> [2][2]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNMC
> 03594/
> RTHPNMC03594.asp
> FWIW.....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: [3]info at hammerpricelive.com
> Date: March 15, 2019 at 23:01:40 PDT
> To: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, March 16, 2019
> Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
> Portfolio Report Saturday, March 16, 2019
> Pantera
> 1.
> 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
> EXTERIOR Yellow
> Mecum
> INTERIOR Black
> Lot 158 Phoenix
> CHASSIS N-o THPNMC03594
> March 15, 2019 5:53PM (EST)
> De Tomaso
> 1.
> 1972 DeTomaso High Bid $50,000 USD
> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
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> Lot 158 Phoenix
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 01:08:22 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Garth
> Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing early front bumpers on smooth nose
> Pantera
> Message-ID: <445656885.6126185.1552784902743 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Mike,
> ???? I was able to mount the LEDs with a little metal bending, and would be reluctant to recommend that someone try return them to the original condition.? They are ready to mount, and I don't want to take any steps backwards and start over with other bumpers.?
>
> ??? I also kinda like the square ends.
> Ken
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 7:21:22 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> ? Ken,
>
> ? Why are you putting square 1971 bumpers on your 1973 car? The round
> ? edge bumpers are more plentiful and cheaper. I would trade away the
> ? ones you have and get the right ones if possible?
>
> ? Mike
> ? Sent from my iPad
> ? On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:00, Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ? This is what I have, captive nuts in slots, with a C10 LED parking/turn
> ? signal that is nearly a perfect fit:
> ? <P1020181.JPG>
> ? <P1020182.JPG>
> ? On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:39:58 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> ? <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> ? Ken,
> ? The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
> ? The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that
> ? protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside.
> ? Actually I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender
> ? washers onto the studs, which can then positively locate the bumper
> ? against the body, and then second nuts secure them from the inside.
> ? Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have
> ? captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn't remember that detail.
> ? Always learning.....
> ? Mike
> ? Sent from my iPad
> ? > On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> ? <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> ? >
> ? >? I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there are
> ? >? captive nuts?? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and tighten
> ? >? other nuts against them?
> ? >? I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and be
> ? >? adjusted?
> ? >? Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical paint):
> ? >? Inline image
> ? >
> ? >? On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
> ? >? <[4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ? >? Ken,
> ? >? How are the studs affixed to the bumpers?? Welded/brazed on, or
> ? merely
> ? >? threaded into the bumper?? Can you double nut the studs and remove
> ? >? them?
> ? >? If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers
> ? directly
> ? >? against the car in the exact position you want them and trace their
> ? >? outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you
> ? could
> ? >? measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from the
> ? >? outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on the
> ? >? body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that
> ? the
> ? >? bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best
> ? guess
> ? >? from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
> ? >? mounting studs.
> ? >? If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put a
> ? dab
> ? >? of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car in
> ? the
> ? >? desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch the
> ? >? body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the studs
> ? to
> ? >? the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to drill.
> ? >? After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill.? That
> ? >? way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
> ? >? paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
> ? >? And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed to
> ? be.
> ? >? Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when the
> ? >? bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime
> ? cartoon
> ? >? racecar look (see attached pics).? One of the dumbest things I've
> ? seen
> ? >? on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look
> ? like,
> ? >? along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for a
> ? >? Pantera.? :)
> ? >? Cheers!
> ? >? Garth
> ? >? #4033
> ? > <early front-3.jpg>
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> ? 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> ? 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> Mike,
> I was able to mount the LEDs with a little metal bending, and
> would be reluctant to recommend that someone try return them to the
> original condition. They are ready to mount, and I don't want to take
> any steps backwards and start over with other bumpers.
> I also kinda like the square ends.
> Ken
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 7:21:22 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Ken,
> Why are you putting square 1971 bumpers on your 1973 car? The round
> edge bumpers are more plentiful and cheaper. I would trade away the
> ones you have and get the right ones if possible?
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 19:00, Ken Green <[1][1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> This is what I have, captive nuts in slots, with a C10 LED
> parking/turn
> signal that is nearly a perfect fit:
> <P1020181.JPG>
> <P1020182.JPG>
> On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:39:58 AM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[2][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Ken,
> The 1972 bumpers have simple studs.
> The bumpers rest solidly against the body (they have rubber trim that
> protects the paint). Washers and nuts secure them on the inside.
> Actually I think a batter technique is to thread nuts and fender
> washers onto the studs, which can then positively locate the bumper
> against the body, and then second nuts secure them from the inside.
> Actually, looking at the parts book, it suggests that 71 bumpers have
> captive nuts and are secured with bolts? I didn't remember that
> detail.
> Always learning.....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:15, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[3][3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not looking at the bumpers at the moment, but I think there
> are
> > captive nuts? I can just thread the studs into the nuts and
> tighten
> > other nuts against them?
> > I think the captive nuts are in vertical slots so they slope and
> be
> > adjusted?
> > Is this how you like the bumpers (my 73 has nearly identical
> paint):
> > Inline image
> >
> > On Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:06:09 AM PDT, Garth Rodericks
> > <[4][4]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ken,
> > How are the studs affixed to the bumpers? Welded/brazed on, or
> merely
> > threaded into the bumper? Can you double nut the studs and remove
> > them?
> > If you an remove the studs you'd be able to place the bumpers
> directly
> > against the car in the exact position you want them and trace
> their
> > outline onto the car with a pencil (or grease pencil). Then you
> could
> > measure the location of the studs on the back of the bumper from
> the
> > outside edges, and transfer the measurements to your outline on
> the
> > body. Then you can see exactly where to drill with confidence that
> the
> > bumpers will sit exactly where you want them to sit, not a best
> guess
> > from holding them standing several inches off the body due to the
> > mounting studs.
> > If the studs cannot be easily removed, another idea is merely put
> a
> dab
> > of grease on the end of each stud, hold the bumper up to the car
> in
> the
> > desired position (albeit standing off so the studs do not touch
> the
> > body), then move the bumper straight back to gently touch the
> studs
> to
> > the bumper and leave a grease spot exactly where you need to
> drill.
> > After that, use a center punch to make your indents to drill.
> That
> > way, there's no risk of sharpened studs sliding and scratching the
> > paint when you whack the bumper with a mallet.
> > And whatever you do, set the bumpers level like they're supposed
> to
> be.
> > Do NOT angle them - nothing looks dumber on a Pantera than when
> the
> > bumpers are angled - unless of course your going for an anime
> cartoon
> > racecar look (see attached pics). One of the dumbest things I've
> seen
> > on a Pantera. I've attached a couple pic of what they should look
> like,
> > along with the only color God and Alejandro DeTomaso intended for
> a
> > Pantera. :)
> > Cheers!
> > Garth
> > #4033
> > <early front-3.jpg>
> > _______________________________________________
> >
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> 3. mailto:[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 4. mailto:[12]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
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> 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 4. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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> 9. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> 10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 12. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com
> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:27:56 -0700
> From: "Steve" <steve at snclocks.com>
> To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
> Message-ID: <021001d4dcde$6170a650$2451f2f0$@snclocks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never happened.
>
> https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
>
>
>
> Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
>
>
>
> What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
> (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the real
> fire-men are all in appropriate PPE.
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
> happened.
> [1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
>
>
> Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
>
>
> What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
> (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
> real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
>
>
> Stephen
>
> References
>
> 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:43:35 -0700
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Steve <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
> Message-ID: <DD309453-291C-4DAA-9958-49AE7E0A262C at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> The guy wanted to impress people with his burnout skills.
>
> Mission accomplished!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 17, 2019, at 09:27, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>
>> If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
>> happened.
>> [1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
>>
>>
>> Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
>>
>>
>> What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
>> (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
>> real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
>>
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 11:03:06 -0700
> From: marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Steve <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.140.1554063080.3634.detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> They wasted all that beer trying to put out the Mustang!Great response time by the fire department!Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Date: 3/17/19 9:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Steve <steve at snclocks.com> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car The guy wanted to impress people with his burnout skills. Mission accomplished!MikeSent from my iPad> On Mar 17, 2019, at 09:27, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:> >?? If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never>?? happened.>?? [1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ> > >?? Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.> > >?? What I found most instructional was the fire department employee>?? (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the>?? real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...> > >?? Stephen> > References> >?? 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ> _______________________________________________> > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes> DeTomaso mailing list>
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> They wasted all that beer trying to put out the Mustang!
>
> Great response time by the fire department!
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date: 3/17/19 9:43 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Steve <steve at snclocks.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
>
> The guy wanted to impress people with his burnout skills.
> Mission accomplished!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Mar 17, 2019, at 09:27, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> >
> > If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
> > happened.
> > [1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
> >
> >
> > Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
> >
> >
> > What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
> > (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
> > real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
> >
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 18:30:41 +0000
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Steve <steve at snclocks.com>, "Wing,
> Bob R (394E)" <robert.wing at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Re: Toasted pony-car
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> You guys are too funny!!! You crack me up!!
>
> "Hello, All State. Yeah it just caught on fire!... Waddayamean you saw the YouTube Video!" <damn ;-/ >
>
> Sucks to be you... "Bro!"
>
>
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Juno Systems & Software Team
> TGO Sequence Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> ??
>
>
> ?On 3/17/19, 9:43 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> The guy wanted to impress people with his burnout skills.
>
> Mission accomplished!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 17, 2019, at 09:27, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> >
> > If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
> > happened.
>
>
> https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
>
> >
> >
> > Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
> >
> >
> > What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
> > (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
> > real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
> >
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 20:07:58 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, Steve <steve at snclocks.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
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> You realize, of course, that most 20 year olds think you can make a smartphone app to extinguish a fire, or just edit the video to repair the car.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2019, 9:28:11 AM PDT, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>
> ? If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
> ? happened.
> ? [1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
>
>
> ? Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
>
>
> ? What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
> ? (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
> ? real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
>
>
> ? Stephen
>
> References
>
> ? 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
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> You realize, of course, that most 20 year olds think you can make a
> smartphone app to extinguish a fire, or just edit the video to repair
> the car.
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2019, 9:28:11 AM PDT, Steve <steve at snclocks.com>
> wrote:
> If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
> happened.
> [1][1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
> Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
> What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
> (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
> real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
> Stephen
> References
> 1. [2]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:23:57 -0700
> From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
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> The kid also has ?burndown? skills.
>
> So, you do a crap ton of full-throttle doughnuts, to show your friends that you have skills, even though you have a small penis. You immediately park the car, oblivious to the fact that the cats are red hot, and you REALLY need to drive the car for a couple of miles to cool things off. Your ?Stang burns down, but don?t worry - Daddy will get his little wanker a new GT350 next week.
>
> At least my grandfather taught me to do burnouts/brodies/doughnuts AND keep the car moving to drive another day.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 17, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> The guy wanted to impress people with his burnout skills.
>>
>> Mission accomplished!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2019, at 09:27, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
>>> happened.
>>> [1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
>>>
>>>
>>> Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
>>>
>>>
>>> What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
>>> (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
>>> real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
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> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 19:21:00 -0400 (EDT)
> From: audionut motonut <audionut at mediacombb.net>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
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> Skills? What skills?
>
> Any idiot can abuse a car in this manner.
>
> Even as a teenager in my 70 Cougar (351-C of course!) I never understood the appeal of burnouts and the like. It always struck me as silly hillbilly nonsense.
>
> Yee HAW!
>
> (Richard Rawlins smoking tires on that white Pantera he destroyed certainly comes to mind)
>
> Launching your car without burning out-- now we are approaching something that might be called a skill.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Scott Mead Photography" <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
> To: "Mike Drew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:23:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
>
> The kid also has ?burndown? skills.
>
> So, you do a crap ton of full-throttle doughnuts, to show your friends that you have skills, even though you have a small penis. You immediately park the car, oblivious to the fact that the cats are red hot, and you REALLY need to drive the car for a couple of miles to cool things off. Your ?Stang burns down, but don?t worry - Daddy will get his little wanker a new GT350 next week.
>
> At least my grandfather taught me to do burnouts/brodies/doughnuts AND keep the car moving to drive another day.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 17, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> The guy wanted to impress people with his burnout skills.
>>
>> Mission accomplished!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2019, at 09:27, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
>>> happened.
>>> [1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
>>>
>>>
>>> Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
>>>
>>>
>>> What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
>>> (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
>>> real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
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> -------------- next part --------------
> Skills? What skills?
> Any idiot can abuse a car in this manner.
> Even as a teenager in my 70 Cougar (351-C of course!) I never
> understood the appeal of burnouts and the like. It always struck me as
> silly hillbilly nonsense.
> Yee HAW!
> (Richard Rawlins smoking tires on that white Pantera he destroyed
> certainly comes to mind)
> Launching your car without burning out-- now we are approaching
> something that might be called a skill.
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: "Scott Mead Photography" <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
> To: "Mike Drew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 2:23:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Toasted pony-car
> The kid also has aburndowna skills.
> So, you do a crap ton of full-throttle doughnuts, to show your friends
> that you have skills, even though you have a small penis. You
> immediately park the car, oblivious to the fact that the cats are red
> hot, and you REALLY need to drive the car for a couple of miles to cool
> things off. Your aStang burns down, but donat worry - Daddy will get
> his little wanker a new GT350 next week.
> At least my grandfather taught me to do burnouts/brodies/doughnuts AND
> keep the car moving to drive another day.
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Mar 17, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > The guy wanted to impress people with his burnout skills.
> >
> > Mission accomplished!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Mar 17, 2019, at 09:27, Steve <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If only they made a "Fire Extinguisher APP", this would have never
> >> happened.
> >> [1]https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
> >>
> >>
> >> Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance.
> >>
> >>
> >> What I found most instructional was the fire department employee
> >> (supervisor?) who is waltzing around the car in a t-shirt while the
> >> real fire-men are all in appropriate PPE...
> >>
> >>
> >> Stephen
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 08:54:30 -0700
> From: "Steve" <steve at snclocks.com>
> To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Passenger window
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> Good morning Pantera Folk. Hopefully with spring bringing better weather everyone is getting their cars out and driving them!
>
> Does anyone have a good condition passenger-side window that they are willing to part with? Mine is pretty scratched and needs replaced.
>
> Let me know - please respond to steve at snclocks.com
>
> Also, anyone need a pair of window-raiser brass gears? I bought a pair from Pantera Performance and ended up not needing them. New, $75 for the pair, including postage in the lower 48.
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:40:42 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] An orphaned AC cooled intercooler project
> Message-ID: <847434450.6839152.1552927242902 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> I had a client developing an intercooler that used the AC.? He recently passed away from cancer and no one at his company is in a position to continue the project.? It was very far along and he had 3 issued patents and a pending application.? The company is in Alhambra, CA.?
>
> If anyone is interested in taking on a project like this, please contact me for more information.? I hate to see all his efforts lost.
> I recognize that there may be some skepticism regarding the AC having sufficient cooling capacity, but I think Dodge is doing something like this:
> https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a10362887/dodge-demon-air-conditioning-power-tech/
>
> Ken
> -------------- next part --------------
> I had a client developing an intercooler that used the AC. He recently
> passed away from cancer and no one at his company is in a position to
> continue the project. It was very far along and he had 3 issued
> patents and a pending application. The company is in Alhambra, CA.
>
> If anyone is interested in taking on a project like this, please
> contact me for more information. I hate to see all his efforts lost.
>
> I recognize that there may be some skepticism regarding the AC having
> sufficient cooling capacity, but I think Dodge is doing something like
> this:
>
> [1]https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a10362887/dodge
> -demon-air-conditioning-power-tech/
>
> Ken
>
> References
>
> 1. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a10362887/dodge-demon-air-conditioning-power-tech/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:25:44 -0700
> From: Dave Londry <davel at trguys.com>
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Design Project 1 Panther
> Message-ID: <6b72fd1b-434b-ddac-ce9a-6b6ce933c819 at trguys.com>
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> Yes - i think it looks nice, but a $300K+ body kit leaves me pretty cold.
> Dave
>
> On 2019-03-15 9:43 p.m., gt40 at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> But is it worth more than twice the price of a Huracan?!
>> For essentially the same car?!
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 7:07 AM
>> To: Email List Address For Posting
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ares Design Project 1 Panther
>>
>> Press release with photos and video (just more stills)
>>
>> https://www.formacar.com/en/news/view/13716.html
>>
>> Priced at 615 Euros
>>
>> Aresdesign.com
>>
>> Ares is the Greek god of war. Steering wheel logo is of helmeted Ares
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Does the color look familiar?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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