[DeTomaso] AC
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Fri Jun 28 19:22:36 EDT 2019
It is most likely an R12 system judging by the fittings, first thing is put a set of R12 gauges on it and tell me what the pressures are. Some one could have contaminated it with some of that popular 134 doped propane called Freeze 12 back in the day, but none the less lets see if you have at least 150 PSI with the air running to see if you might have a salvageable R-12 system to begin with. If you can’t pump at least 150 PSI it may be a long expensive road to cold air again. It will start to cool at 175 PSI, but that could be 3-4 pounds of R-12 if you can find it at $100 a pound. We can get you converted to R-134 with a good compressor for $400-$600 depending on a few factors.
Larry Stock
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:40 PM
To: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, 'List DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC
So you have a modern rotary compressor, where lacking information in prior discussion we (or I at least) assumed your system was a stock style York compressor. If I recall you mentioned R12 in previous requests, but have you checked the system has not been fully retrofitted to R134a?
Is the system charged currently and you want to 'top off' or are you filling a leaked out system? You should evacuate and pull a vacuum on the system and verify it holds before assuming an empty system is good. In all honesty I think you'd do better taking it to a local AC shop to have it properly evacuated, tested and refilled, it's not as simple as just plugging a can of Freon on the suction port.
Julian
From: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:53 PM
To: Larry Stock; Julian Kift; 'List DeTomaso Forum'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] AC
Hello,
Which port should I use to add Freon? SOC or DLS, as they are labeled.
Thanks,
Trip
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From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:51:03 PM
To: Trip Owen; Julian Kift; 'List DeTomaso Forum'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC
Your R-12 gauges should read:
High pressure 200 @ idle to 225 @ 3000 Rpm
Low Pressure about 30 psi
The York Compressor has ¼ inch square shut off valves, they should be in the open posistion
The System will take up to 4 pounds of Freon
Larry
From: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 10:53 AM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'List DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] AC
I am on it now – trying to find R12 tap – thanks to pics sent – after you find it, its EZ to see it –
like spotting a Red Tailed Hawk, that thinks its hiding,
the lift made that much more doable – there are 2 ports, do I just use one? How much pressure
should it take?
Trip
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From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 1:48:55 PM
To: Julian Kift; Trip Owen; 'List DeTomaso Forum'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC
The exact location depends on a number of factors, but normally it is accessed from under the Pantera or thru the Right Rear wheel well by removing the splash shield, to the front right of the engine to the rear of the firewall. Do you still have the R-12 reciprocal black YORK Compressor, or has it been changed to a newer Silver Rotary type compressor? Then we need to examine the rotary conversion for labels and /or available ports for identification. If you get this far call me for part 2 identifications. Larry Stock 1-800-DeTomaso (338-6627)
On 6/27/19, 9:58 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Attached a picture of a York compressor with A/C line unions and
capped ports
[cid:b06179c7-08c4-44ed-9f61-dd81b4246229]
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From: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 7:20 AM
To: Julian Kift
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] AC
My car is one Kirk Evans did - 1988 GT5S - it is original to the car,
so not a modern one -
I will look again - just do not see the freakin thing - that is why I
asked if it is behind the seat -
Much obliged -
Trip
DC
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:18:26 AM
To: Trip Owen
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC
Did you confirm if it is the original York piston compressor or a
modern rotary one? Ports are normally on the rear of the compressor,
but if your system has been modernized or retrofitted they could have
been relocated albeit uncommon to do so.
Julian
> On Jun 27, 2019, at 06:45, Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Men thanks for the advice, I just do not see where to charge from
under
> the car, my question is
> * Is it accessible from behind the seat, do I remove the panel
behind
> the seats and say - "wow there it is" - I can't find it, or
where I
> set down my coffee............
> * Clueless
> * Trip
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It is most likely an R12 system judging by the fittings, first thing is
put a set of R12 gauges on it and tell me what the pressures are. Some
one could have contaminated it with some of that popular 134 doped
propane called Freeze 12 back in the day, but none the less lets see if
you have at least 150 PSI with the air running to see if you might have
a salvageable R-12 system to begin with. If you can't pump at least 150
PSI it may be a long expensive road to cold air again. It will start to
cool at 175 PSI, but that could be 3-4 pounds of R-12 if you can find
it at $100 a pound. We can get you converted to R-134 with a good
compressor for $400-$600 depending on a few factors.
Larry Stock
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:40 PM
To: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com>, 'List DeTomaso Forum'
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC
So you have a modern rotary compressor, where lacking information in
prior discussion we (or I at least) assumed your system was a stock
style York compressor. If I recall you mentioned R12 in previous
requests, but have you checked the system has not been fully
retrofitted to R134a?
Is the system charged currently and you want to 'top off' or are you
filling a leaked out system? You should evacuate and pull a vacuum on
the system and verify it holds before assuming an empty system is good.
In all honesty I think you'd do better taking it to a local AC shop to
have it properly evacuated, tested and refilled, it's not as simple as
just plugging a can of Freon on the suction port.
Julian
_____________________________________________________________________
From: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:53 PM
To: Larry Stock; Julian Kift; 'List DeTomaso Forum'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] AC
Hello,
Which port should I use to add Freon? SOC or DLS, as they are labeled.
Thanks,
Trip
cid:image003.png at 01D52DDA.638B9470
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From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 2:51:03 PM
To: Trip Owen; Julian Kift; 'List DeTomaso Forum'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC
Your R-12 gauges should read:
High pressure 200 @ idle to 225 @ 3000 Rpm
Low Pressure about 30 psi
The York Compressor has 1/4 inch square shut off valves, they should be
in the open posistion
The System will take up to 4 pounds of Freon
Larry
From: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>
Date: Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 10:53 AM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>, 'List DeTomaso Forum'
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] AC
I am on it now - trying to find R12 tap - thanks to pics sent - after
you find it, its EZ to see it -
like spotting a Red Tailed Hawk, that thinks its hiding,
the lift made that much more doable - there are 2 ports, do I just use
one? How much pressure
should it take?
Trip
Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10
_____________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 1:48:55 PM
To: Julian Kift; Trip Owen; 'List DeTomaso Forum'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC
The exact location depends on a number of factors, but normally it is
accessed from under the Pantera or thru the Right Rear wheel well by
removing the splash shield, to the front right of the engine to the
rear of the firewall. Do you still have the R-12 reciprocal black YORK
Compressor, or has it been changed to a newer Silver Rotary type
compressor? Then we need to examine the rotary conversion for labels
and /or available ports for identification. If you get this far call me
for part 2 identifications. Larry Stock 1-800-DeTomaso (338-6627)
On 6/27/19, 9:58 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Attached a picture of a York compressor with A/C line unions
and
capped ports
[cid:b06179c7-08c4-44ed-9f61-dd81b4246229]
__________________________________________________________________
From: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 7:20 AM
To: Julian Kift
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] AC
My car is one Kirk Evans did - 1988 GT5S - it is original to the
car,
so not a modern one -
I will look again - just do not see the freakin thing - that is
why I
asked if it is behind the seat -
Much obliged -
Trip
DC
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:18:26 AM
To: Trip Owen
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] AC
Did you confirm if it is the original York piston compressor or
a
modern rotary one? Ports are normally on the rear of the
compressor,
but if your system has been modernized or retrofitted they could
have
been relocated albeit uncommon to do so.
Julian
> On Jun 27, 2019, at 06:45, Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Men thanks for the advice, I just do not see where to charge
from
under
> the car, my question is
> * Is it accessible from behind the seat, do I remove the
panel
behind
> the seats and say - "wow there it is" - I can't find it,
or
where I
> set down my coffee............
> * Clueless
> * Trip
>
>
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