[DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera (Project P) Debut at Festival of Speed
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Wed Jun 19 13:56:49 EDT 2019
Hah! POCA should sell it to CIt to make up for huge loss posted last year
from the ill-fated Fun Rally. But make sure to keep right to use the name
for itself and successors and assigns.
Jeff
6559
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 12:46 PM Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:
> As told to us at the President's meeting in Reno Kim let his ownership
> lapse and POCO picked it up for a nominal registration fee. I don't
> know any of the details but the POCA board should be able to clarify.
>
> Forest
>
> On aWednesdaya, aJunea a19a, a2019a a10a:a35a:a00a aAMa aPDT, Mike Drew
> via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Scott,
> I very much doubt that is true. It would represent a great capital
> expense to buy the rights I think, likely more than POCA has in the
> bank.
> Kim supposedly paid quite a bit for the Pantera name and I doubt he
> would relinquish it.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:17, Scott Mead Photography
> <[1]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, POCA now owns the rights to the aPanteraa name.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Julian,
> >>
> >> No, I don't think so. The Festival of Speed outfit is basically
> >> British. They bought the De Tomaso rights from the last aborted
> >> attempt that landed the crook behind it in an Italian jail.
> >>
> >> Kim has no rights to the De Tomaso name. He only has Pantera rights
> in
> >> the USA.
> >>
> >> I think....
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:15, Julian Kift
> <[1][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> Hmmm, not how I read the press releases that are out there, but can
> we
> >> believe anything n the press nowadays! Isn't Consolidated Ideal
> Team
> >> Ventures the same outfit that Kim was involved with and the very
> same
> >> that acquired Apollo?
> >>
> >>
> [2][4]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goo
> dwo
> >> od/
> >>
> >> [3]De Tomaso to debut 'Project P' at Goodwood - Autoblog
> >> De Tomaso will unveile its "Project P" car on July 4 at the
> Goodwood
> >> Festival of Speed to celebrate the brand's 60th anniversary.
> >> [4]www.autoblog.com
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> __________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> From: Mike Drew <[5][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:03 AM
> >> To: Julian Kift
> >> Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera (Project P)
> Debut
> >> at Festival of Speed
> >>
> >> Julian,
> >> The new car at the Festival of Speed has nothing to do with Kim's
> GT5-S
> >> project. They are u related flights of fancy.
> >> Mike
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 09:20, Julian Kift
> <[6][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would have expected more press or hype around the unveiling of
> >> the
> >>> new De Tomaso Project P at the upcoming Goodwood Festival of Speed
> >> July
> >>> 4-7, but it has been relatively quiet.
> >>>
> >>> The FoS is a popular event among our European brethren so hoping
> >>> someone can get lots of photos and details to share.
> >>>
> >>> Peter Brock made mention to the new Pantera during his POCA Fun
> >> Rally
> >>> speech and would have us believe it is an entirely new design
> >> involving
> >>> German input, but was sworn to secrecy. That is not consistent with
> >>> prior articles (or spy photos) where it was to be a stretched
> >> Carbon
> >>> bodied GT5-S with more modern drive train. I guess a couple weeks
> >> will
> >>> tell!
> >>>
> >>> Julian
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>>
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> ood/
> >> 3.
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> ood/
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> 12. http://www.autoblog.com/
> 13. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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Hah! POCA should sell it to CIt to make up for huge loss posted last
year from the ill-fated Fun Rally. But make sure to keep right to use
the name for itself and successors and assigns.A
Jeff
6559
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 12:46 PM Forest Goodhart <[1]forestg at att.net>
wrote:
A A As told to us at the President's meeting in Reno Kim let his
ownership
A A lapse and POCO picked it up for a nominal registration fee. I
don't
A A know any of the details but the POCA board should be able to
clarify.
A A Forest
A A On aWednesdaya, aJunea a19a, a2019a a10a:a35a:a00a aAMa aPDT,
Mike Drew
A A via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A Scott,
A A I very much doubt that is true. It would represent a great
capital
A A expense to buy the rights I think, likely more than POCA has in
the
A A bank.
A A Kim supposedly paid quite a bit for the Pantera name and I
doubt he
A A would relinquish it.
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPad
A A > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:17, Scott Mead Photography
A A <[1][3]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
A A >
A A > Actually, POCA now owns the rights to the aPanteraa name.
A A >
A A > Sent from my iPhone
A A >
A A >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
A A <[2][4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>A Julian,
A A >>
A A >>A No, I don't think so. The Festival of Speed outfit is
basically
A A >>A British.A They bought the De Tomaso rights from the last
aborted
A A >>A attempt that landed the crook behind it in an Italian
jail.
A A >>
A A >>A Kim has no rights to the De Tomaso name. He only has
Pantera rights
A A in
A A >>A the USA.
A A >>
A A >>A I think....
A A >>
A A >>A Mike
A A >>
A A >>A Sent from my iPad
A A >>A On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:15, Julian Kift
A A <[1][3][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >>A wrote:
A A >>
A A >>A Mike,
A A >>
A A >>A Hmmm, not how I read the press releases that are out
there, but can
A A we
A A >>A believe anything n the press nowadays! Isn't Consolidated
Ideal
A A Team
A A >>A Ventures the same outfit that Kim was involved with and
the very
A A same
A A >>A that acquired Apollo?
A A >>
A A >>
A
A [2][4][6]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-d
ebut-goo
A A dwo
A A >>A od/
A A >>
A A >>A [3]De Tomaso to debut 'Project P' at Goodwood - Autoblog
A A >>A De Tomaso will unveile its "Project P" car on July 4 at
the
A A Goodwood
A A >>A Festival of Speed to celebrate the brand's 60th
anniversary.
A A >>A [4][7]www.autoblog.com
A A >>
A A >>A Julian
A A >>
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >>
A A >>A From: Mike Drew <[5][5][8]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
A A >>A Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:03 AM
A A >>A To: Julian Kift
A A >>A Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
A A >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera
(Project P)
A A Debut
A A >>A at Festival of Speed
A A >>
A A >>A Julian,
A A >>A The new car at the Festival of Speed has nothing to do
with Kim's
A A GT5-S
A A >>A project. They are u related flights of fancy.
A A >>A Mike
A A >>A Sent from my iPad
A A >>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 09:20, Julian Kift
A A <[6][6][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A >>A wrote:
A A >>>
A A >>> I would have expected more press or hype around the
unveiling of
A A >>A the
A A >>> new De Tomaso Project P at the upcoming Goodwood Festival
of Speed
A A >>A July
A A >>> 4-7, but it has been relatively quiet.
A A >>>
A A >>> The FoS is a popular event among our European brethren so
hoping
A A >>> someone can get lots of photos and details to share.
A A >>>
A A >>> Peter Brock made mention to the new Pantera during his POCA
Fun
A A >>A Rally
A A >>> speech and would have us believe it is an entirely new
design
A A >>A involving
A A >>> German input, but was sworn to secrecy. That is not
consistent with
A A >>> prior articles (or spy photos) where it was to be a
stretched
A A >>A Carbon
A A >>> bodied GT5-S with more modern drive train. I guess a couple
weeks
A A >>A will
A A >>> tell!
A A >>>
A A >>> Julian
A A >>> _______________________________________________
A A >>>
A A >>>
A A >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
A A >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
A A >>> DeTomaso mailing list
A A >>> [7][7][10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A >>>
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A A etc.)
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A A >>A any message posted here to all past, current, or future
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A A >>A list. They also grant the list owner permission to
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A A >>
A A >>A Visible links
A A >>A 1. mailto:[9][12]julian_kift at hotmail.com
A A >>A 2.
A
A [10][13]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-de
but-goodw
A A ood/
A A >>A 3.
A
A [11][14]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-de
but-goodw
A A ood/
A A >>A 4. [12][15]http://www.autoblog.com/
A A >>A 5. mailto:[13][16]MikeLDrew at aol.com
A A >>A 6. mailto:[14][17]julian_kift at hotmail.com
A A >>A 7. mailto:[15][18]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A >>A 8.
[16][19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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A A >>A Hidden links:
A A >> 10.
A
A [17][20]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-de
but-goodw
A A ood/
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