[DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera (Project P) Debut at Festival of Speed
Forest Goodhart
forestg at att.net
Wed Jun 19 13:47:30 EDT 2019
Oops, I meant POCA not POCO.
On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:46:12 AM PDT, Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:
As told to us at the President's meeting in Reno Kim let his ownership
lapse and POCO picked it up for a nominal registration fee. I don't
know any of the details but the POCA board should be able to clarify.
Forest
On aWednesdaya, aJunea a19a, a2019a a10a:a35a:a00a aAMa aPDT, Mike Drew
via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Scott,
I very much doubt that is true. It would represent a great capital
expense to buy the rights I think, likely more than POCA has in the
bank.
Kim supposedly paid quite a bit for the Pantera name and I doubt he
would relinquish it.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:17, Scott Mead Photography
<[1]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, POCA now owns the rights to the aPanteraa name.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> Julian,
>>
>> No, I don't think so. The Festival of Speed outfit is basically
>> British. They bought the De Tomaso rights from the last aborted
>> attempt that landed the crook behind it in an Italian jail.
>>
>> Kim has no rights to the De Tomaso name. He only has Pantera rights
in
>> the USA.
>>
>> I think....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:15, Julian Kift
<[1][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Hmmm, not how I read the press releases that are out there, but can
we
>> believe anything n the press nowadays! Isn't Consolidated Ideal
Team
>> Ventures the same outfit that Kim was involved with and the very
same
>> that acquired Apollo?
>>
>>
[2][4]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goo
dwo
>> od/
>>
>> [3]De Tomaso to debut 'Project P' at Goodwood - Autoblog
>> De Tomaso will unveile its "Project P" car on July 4 at the
Goodwood
>> Festival of Speed to celebrate the brand's 60th anniversary.
>> [4]www.autoblog.com
>>
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Mike Drew <[5][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:03 AM
>> To: Julian Kift
>> Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera (Project P)
Debut
>> at Festival of Speed
>>
>> Julian,
>> The new car at the Festival of Speed has nothing to do with Kim's
GT5-S
>> project. They are u related flights of fancy.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 09:20, Julian Kift
<[6][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would have expected more press or hype around the unveiling of
>> the
>>> new De Tomaso Project P at the upcoming Goodwood Festival of Speed
>> July
>>> 4-7, but it has been relatively quiet.
>>>
>>> The FoS is a popular event among our European brethren so hoping
>>> someone can get lots of photos and details to share.
>>>
>>> Peter Brock made mention to the new Pantera during his POCA Fun
>> Rally
>>> speech and would have us believe it is an entirely new design
>> involving
>>> German input, but was sworn to secrecy. That is not consistent with
>>> prior articles (or spy photos) where it was to be a stretched
>> Carbon
>>> bodied GT5-S with more modern drive train. I guess a couple weeks
>> will
>>> tell!
>>>
>>> Julian
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ood/
>> 3.
[11]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
ood/
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>> 5. mailto:[13]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> 6. mailto:[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com
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Oops, I meant POCA not POCO.
On aWednesdaya, aJunea a19a, a2019a a10a:a46a:a12a aAMa aPDT, Forest
Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:
As told to us at the President's meeting in Reno Kim let his
ownership
lapse and POCO picked it up for a nominal registration fee. I don't
know any of the details but the POCA board should be able to clarify.
Forest
On aWednesdaya, aJunea a19a, a2019a a10a:a35a:a00a aAMa aPDT, Mike
Drew
via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Scott,
I very much doubt that is true. It would represent a great capital
expense to buy the rights I think, likely more than POCA has in the
bank.
Kim supposedly paid quite a bit for the Pantera name and I doubt he
would relinquish it.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:17, Scott Mead Photography
<[1][2]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, POCA now owns the rights to the aPanteraa name.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2][3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> Julian,
>>
>> No, I don't think so. The Festival of Speed outfit is basically
>> British. They bought the De Tomaso rights from the last aborted
>> attempt that landed the crook behind it in an Italian jail.
>>
>> Kim has no rights to the De Tomaso name. He only has Pantera
rights
in
>> the USA.
>>
>> I think....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:15, Julian Kift
<[1][3][4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Hmmm, not how I read the press releases that are out there, but
can
we
>> believe anything n the press nowadays! Isn't Consolidated Ideal
Team
>> Ventures the same outfit that Kim was involved with and the very
same
>> that acquired Apollo?
>>
>>
[2][4][5]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-
goo
dwo
>> od/
>>
>> [3]De Tomaso to debut 'Project P' at Goodwood - Autoblog
>> De Tomaso will unveile its "Project P" car on July 4 at the
Goodwood
>> Festival of Speed to celebrate the brand's 60th anniversary.
>> [4]www.autoblog.com
>>
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: Mike Drew <[5][5][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:03 AM
>> To: Julian Kift
>> Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera (Project P)
Debut
>> at Festival of Speed
>>
>> Julian,
>> The new car at the Festival of Speed has nothing to do with Kim's
GT5-S
>> project. They are u related flights of fancy.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 09:20, Julian Kift
<[6][6][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would have expected more press or hype around the unveiling of
>> the
>>> new De Tomaso Project P at the upcoming Goodwood Festival of
Speed
>> July
>>> 4-7, but it has been relatively quiet.
>>>
>>> The FoS is a popular event among our European brethren so hoping
>>> someone can get lots of photos and details to share.
>>>
>>> Peter Brock made mention to the new Pantera during his POCA Fun
>> Rally
>>> speech and would have us believe it is an entirely new design
>> involving
>>> German input, but was sworn to secrecy. That is not consistent
with
>>> prior articles (or spy photos) where it was to be a stretched
>> Carbon
>>> bodied GT5-S with more modern drive train. I guess a couple weeks
>> will
>>> tell!
>>>
>>> Julian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Visible links
>> 1. mailto:[9][10]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> 2.
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oodw
ood/
>> 3.
[11][12]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-g
oodw
ood/
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