[DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera (Project P) Debut at Festival of Speed

Forest Goodhart forestg at att.net
Wed Jun 19 13:47:30 EDT 2019


 Oops, I meant  POCA not POCO.
    On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎19‎, ‎2019‎ ‎10‎:‎46‎:‎12‎ ‎AM‎ ‎PDT, Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:  
 
   As told to us at the President's meeting in Reno Kim let his ownership
  lapse and POCO picked it up for a nominal registration fee. I don't
  know any of the details but the POCA board should be able to clarify.

  Forest

  On aWednesdaya, aJunea a19a, a2019a a10a:a35a:a00a aAMa aPDT, Mike Drew
  via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  Scott,
  I very much doubt that is true. It would represent a great capital
  expense to buy the rights I think, likely more than POCA has in the
  bank.
  Kim supposedly paid quite a bit for the Pantera name and I doubt he
  would relinquish it.
  Mike
  Sent from my iPad
  > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:17, Scott Mead Photography
  <[1]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
  >
  > Actually, POCA now owns the rights to the aPanteraa name.
  >
  > Sent from my iPhone
  >
  >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
  <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>  Julian,
  >>
  >>  No, I don't think so. The Festival of Speed outfit is basically
  >>  British.  They bought the De Tomaso rights from the last aborted
  >>  attempt that landed the crook behind it in an Italian jail.
  >>
  >>  Kim has no rights to the De Tomaso name. He only has Pantera rights
  in
  >>  the USA.
  >>
  >>  I think....
  >>
  >>  Mike
  >>
  >>  Sent from my iPad
  >>  On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:15, Julian Kift
  <[1][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
  >>  wrote:
  >>
  >>  Mike,
  >>
  >>  Hmmm, not how I read the press releases that are out there, but can
  we
  >>  believe anything n the press nowadays! Isn't Consolidated Ideal
  Team
  >>  Ventures the same outfit that Kim was involved with and the very
  same
  >>  that acquired Apollo?
  >>
  >>
  [2][4]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goo
  dwo
  >>  od/
  >>
  >>  [3]De Tomaso to debut 'Project P' at Goodwood - Autoblog
  >>  De Tomaso will unveile its "Project P" car on July 4 at the
  Goodwood
  >>  Festival of Speed to celebrate the brand's 60th anniversary.
  >>  [4]www.autoblog.com
  >>
  >>  Julian
  >>
  __________________________________________________________________
  >>
  >>  From: Mike Drew <[5][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  >>  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:03 AM
  >>  To: Julian Kift
  >>  Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
  >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera (Project P)
  Debut
  >>  at Festival of Speed
  >>
  >>  Julian,
  >>  The new car at the Festival of Speed has nothing to do with Kim's
  GT5-S
  >>  project. They are u related flights of fancy.
  >>  Mike
  >>  Sent from my iPad
  >>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 09:20, Julian Kift
  <[6][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
  >>  wrote:
  >>>
  >>> I would have expected more press or hype around the unveiling of
  >>  the
  >>> new De Tomaso Project P at the upcoming Goodwood Festival of Speed
  >>  July
  >>> 4-7, but it has been relatively quiet.
  >>>
  >>> The FoS is a popular event among our European brethren so hoping
  >>> someone can get lots of photos and details to share.
  >>>
  >>> Peter Brock made mention to the new Pantera during his POCA Fun
  >>  Rally
  >>> speech and would have us believe it is an entirely new design
  >>  involving
  >>> German input, but was sworn to secrecy. That is not consistent with
  >>> prior articles (or spy photos) where it was to be a stretched
  >>  Carbon
  >>> bodied GT5-S with more modern drive train. I guess a couple weeks
  >>  will
  >>> tell!
  >>>
  >>> Julian
  >>> _______________________________________________
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  >>  1. mailto:[9]julian_kift at hotmail.com
  >>  2.
  [10]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
  ood/
  >>  3.
  [11]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
  ood/
  >>  4. [12]http://www.autoblog.com/
  >>  5. mailto:[13]MikeLDrew at aol.com
  >>  6. mailto:[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com
  >>  7. mailto:[15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  >>  8. [16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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  >> 10.
  [17]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
  ood/
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  2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  4. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodwo
  5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  6. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  9. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  10. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodwood/
  11. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodwood/
  12. http://www.autoblog.com/
  13. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  14. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  17. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodwood/
  18. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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   Oops, I meant  POCA not POCO.

   On aWednesdaya, aJunea a19a, a2019a a10a:a46a:a12a aAMa aPDT, Forest
   Goodhart <forestg at att.net> wrote:
     As told to us at the President's meeting in Reno Kim let his
   ownership
     lapse and POCO picked it up for a nominal registration fee. I don't
     know any of the details but the POCA board should be able to clarify.
     Forest
     On aWednesdaya, aJunea a19a, a2019a a10a:a35a:a00a aAMa aPDT, Mike
   Drew
     via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     Scott,
     I very much doubt that is true. It would represent a great capital
     expense to buy the rights I think, likely more than POCA has in the
     bank.
     Kim supposedly paid quite a bit for the Pantera name and I doubt he
     would relinquish it.
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Jun 19, 2019, at 12:17, Scott Mead Photography
     <[1][2]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
     >
     > Actually, POCA now owns the rights to the aPanteraa name.
     >
     > Sent from my iPhone
     >
     >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     <[2][3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >>
     >>  Julian,
     >>
     >>  No, I don't think so. The Festival of Speed outfit is basically
     >>  British.  They bought the De Tomaso rights from the last aborted
     >>  attempt that landed the crook behind it in an Italian jail.
     >>
     >>  Kim has no rights to the De Tomaso name. He only has Pantera
   rights
     in
     >>  the USA.
     >>
     >>  I think....
     >>
     >>  Mike
     >>
     >>  Sent from my iPad
     >>  On Jun 19, 2019, at 11:15, Julian Kift
     <[1][3][4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     >>  wrote:
     >>
     >>  Mike,
     >>
     >>  Hmmm, not how I read the press releases that are out there, but
   can
     we
     >>  believe anything n the press nowadays! Isn't Consolidated Ideal
     Team
     >>  Ventures the same outfit that Kim was involved with and the very
     same
     >>  that acquired Apollo?
     >>
     >>

   [2][4][5]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-
   goo
     dwo
     >>  od/
     >>
     >>  [3]De Tomaso to debut 'Project P' at Goodwood - Autoblog
     >>  De Tomaso will unveile its "Project P" car on July 4 at the
     Goodwood
     >>  Festival of Speed to celebrate the brand's 60th anniversary.
     >>  [4]www.autoblog.com
     >>
     >>  Julian
     >>
     __________________________________________________________________
     >>
     >>  From: Mike Drew <[5][5][6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     >>  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:03 AM
     >>  To: Julian Kift
     >>  Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
     >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two Weeks to Go - New Pantera (Project P)
     Debut
     >>  at Festival of Speed
     >>
     >>  Julian,
     >>  The new car at the Festival of Speed has nothing to do with Kim's
     GT5-S
     >>  project. They are u related flights of fancy.
     >>  Mike
     >>  Sent from my iPad
     >>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 09:20, Julian Kift
     <[6][6][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     >>  wrote:
     >>>
     >>> I would have expected more press or hype around the unveiling of
     >>  the
     >>> new De Tomaso Project P at the upcoming Goodwood Festival of
   Speed
     >>  July
     >>> 4-7, but it has been relatively quiet.
     >>>
     >>> The FoS is a popular event among our European brethren so hoping
     >>> someone can get lots of photos and details to share.
     >>>
     >>> Peter Brock made mention to the new Pantera during his POCA Fun
     >>  Rally
     >>> speech and would have us believe it is an entirely new design
     >>  involving
     >>> German input, but was sworn to secrecy. That is not consistent
   with
     >>> prior articles (or spy photos) where it was to be a stretched
     >>  Carbon
     >>> bodied GT5-S with more modern drive train. I guess a couple weeks
     >>  will
     >>> tell!
     >>>
     >>> Julian
     >>> _______________________________________________
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
     >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
     >>> DeTomaso mailing list
     >>> [7][7][8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     >>> [8][8][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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     >>  any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
     the
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     >> References
     >>
     >>  Visible links
     >>  1. mailto:[9][10]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     >>  2.

   [10][11]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-g
   oodw
     ood/
     >>  3.

   [11][12]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-g
   oodw
     ood/
     >>  4. [12][13]http://www.autoblog.com/
     >>  5. mailto:[13][14]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     >>  6. mailto:[14][15]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     >>  7. mailto:[15][16]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     >>  8.
   [16][17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     >>
     >>  Hidden links:
     >> 10.

   [17][18]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-g
   oodw
     ood/
     >> _______________________________________________
     >>
     >>
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     3. mailto:[25]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     4.
   [26]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
   o
     5. mailto:[27]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     6. mailto:[28]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     7. mailto:[29]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     8. [30]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     9. mailto:[31]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     10.
   [32]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
   ood/
     11.
   [33]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
   ood/
     12. [34]http://www.autoblog.com/
     13. mailto:[35]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     14. mailto:[36]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     15. mailto:[37]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     16. [38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     17.
   [39]https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
   ood/
     18. mailto:[40]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     19. [41]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     20. mailto:[42]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   2. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
   3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   4. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   5. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goo
   6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   7. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  10. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  11. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
  12. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
  13. http://www.autoblog.com/
  14. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  15. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  18. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodw
  19. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  21. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  23. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
  24. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  25. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  26. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodwo
  27. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  28. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  29. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  30. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  31. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  32. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodwood/
  33. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodwood/
  34. http://www.autoblog.com/
  35. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  36. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  37. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  38. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  39. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/17/de-tomaso-project-p-debut-goodwood/
  40. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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