[DeTomaso] Techno Question: Pre-L mufflers and L Panteras

[Mike Drew]

Chuck,

Sell the NOS exhaust you bought and consider it a lesson learned even if you sell at a loss....

Mike

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> On Dec 3, 2019, at 07:59, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Mike,
> 
>              You wrote:  " This begs the question—what is inspiring this search for a single replacement muffler? I sense a story just begging to be told....:)"
> 
>              On a road trip in far southeastern Oklahoma, I developed a sudden and severe knocking from the rear.  Inspection showed that the right exhaust was no longer symmetric with the left.   I drove onward and the noise mercifully stopped.   A Pantera friend lent me his garage and I pulled the right rear wheel expecting to find that I had failed to tighten the header-exhaust flange nuts&bolts properly.   To my surprise, the junction was just fine, but the exhaust pipe itself had completely failed about two inches beyond the flange.   I presume that 45 years of age, corrosion and shenanigans resulted in metal fatigue and failure.
> 
>              We took the two pieces of exhaust to the local garage and welding shop.  Oscar had a very satisfactory repair done in twenty minutes.  
> 
>               I bought the NOS right rear ANSA exhaust anticipating that it would bolt right on and I would save the well used exhaust as a spare.   These things never seem to work quite the way you expect.
> 
>               So the repair is sound.  The Pantera runs fine.  I am now messing around with the orphan NOS right pre-L Pantera exhaust.   Sigh.
> 
> 
>                                       Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] 
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 9:53 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: P - Mail List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Pre-L mufflers and L Panteras
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Dec 2, 2019, at 19:07, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> $$$$    Right, but they bolt right up to my Big Bore Headers and a well known Pantera personality told me that they look better and sound better than the Big Bore exhausts, which I also have sitting on a shelf.   
> 
>>>> I’m sure there is a metal recycling place near you that would accept those Hall ‘mufflers’. Hall headers are an excellent match to stock tailpipes, but the mufflers are vile. I had a set for years that my conscience wouldn’t allow me to sell on eBay because I wouldn’t sleep at night knowing I had inflicted them on some poor unsuspecting soul. I finally gave them to Dan Jones for testing purposes/benchmarking against the stock mufflers. I’m sure they work better than the stock mufflers at making power, but at the cost of being hideous, and sounding terrible.  
>> 
>> 
>> $$$$    I think I will wrestle with the smaller problem of a right exhaust replacement  rather than the larger proposition of a better exhaust.     ....and Gerry Romack has shown that the Ansa mufflers can be gutted and modified for less boom and a bit more HP.
>> 
>> 
>>>> True, there are gains to be had by performing muffler surgery, but the small tailpipes will always be a limiting factor.
> 
> I do think you should pass on that Pre-L muffler to somebody who could use it, and solicit the purchase of a proper L-Model muffler. You will likely need to buy a pair, which is no bad thing. 
> 
> This begs the question—what is inspiring this search for a single replacement muffler? I sense a story just begging to be told....:)
> 
> Mike (just got done wrestling with a throttle cable end that unthreaded itself and fell off the cable at the gas pedal on Lori’s Pantera, requiring contortions and a few choice words to fix it...like Rosanne Rosannadanna used to say, “Its’s always sumpthin’....”.) 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] 
>> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 7:19 PM
>> To: Charles Engles
>> Cc: P - Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Pre-L mufflers and L Panteras
>> 
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> Short answer is that yes, it should be possible, but it might not match the other side when you’re done. 
>> 
>> Stock mufflers and small-diameter tailpipes are VERY restrictive. So many people have switched to more effective exhaust systems that there are hundreds of stock tailpipes just lying around. It shouldn’t be too difficult to just find what you want rather than hacking up something that isn’t right. Ask and ye shall likely receive.
>> 
>> But I think you would be better off just getting better exhausts.....
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2019, at 17:03, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Forum,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>              I have acquired a NOS right exhaust.  It appears that the
>>> muffler tips have a distinct upward pre-L angle.  I have a Pantera L.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>              Dumb question:  Is it a simple and reasonable task to
>>> perform a bit of cutting and bending to modify a pre-L muffer angle to
>>> a Pantera L straight muffler configuration?     It seems like some
>>> judicious cutting bending and welding might do the trick.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                             Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
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