[DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
Pantdino
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Mon Aug 12 12:50:37 EDT 2019
Corey, You should put them on eBay. Someone who does concourse will probably pay you for them.
Jim
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On Monday, August 12, 2019, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Mike,
1) Thanks for the link to the ancient Goodyear Arriva TV commercial.
2) So, the short story *may* be that the Arrivas are simply DOT street-legal version of the Ford GT MkIV LeMans tires. If that is true, then after driving with the civilian Arrivas I would state that my respect for those Ford GT LeMans race drivers has gone up *exponentially*. Of course, at the time, they would have been considered state-of-the-tire-art.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 9:53 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: marshallgsmith; Jeff Cobb; Scott Mead Photography; Detomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
Chuck,
The original Arriva was only made in two sizes and was made only for use on the Pantera. Goodyear later used the name on a low-performance line of touring radial tires but they had no relation to ‘our’ Arrivas.
I have been told (but can’t confirm) that the original Pantera Arriva was simply a DOT street-legal version of the tire used by Ford on the 1967 Le Mans-winning GT Mk IV.
Mike
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> On Aug 11, 2019, at 14:02, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Marshall,
>
>
> I completely agree with the understeer characteristic.
> Dumb questions: Did any other car use Arrivas as OEM? Were sold to
> the general public?
>
>
> I suspect that with the name of Arriva, it is plausible
> that Ford had Goodyear (?) make them for the Italian DeTomaso Pantera.
>
>
> Interesting, Chuck Engles
>
>
> PS: when I used the P7s, I did notice the improvement over the Arrivas
>
>
> From: marshallgsmith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 10:58 AM
> To: Charles Engles; 'Jeff Cobb'; 'Scott Mead Photography'
> Cc: 'Detomaso List'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>
>
>
> Hey Chuck,
>
>
> I had always heard that the Arrivas were designed for the car to make
> it understeer due to Ford's concern and fear that the car would
> oversteer severely because of the power at the hands of inexperienced
> drivers.
>
>
> My experience with the car shod with Arrivas was exactly that. You'd
> come to a turn and the car would just keep going straight no matter how
> much steering input. They were horrible.
>
>
> My first drive with the Pantera wearing BF Goodrich Tires sometime in
> the late 1970s made it a completely different and well handling car. It
> was finally thrilling to drive!!
>
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>
> Date: 8/11/19 8:23 AM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: 'Jeff Cobb' <jeffcobb1 at me.com>, 'Scott Mead Photography'
> <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>
> Cc: 'Detomaso List' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>
>
> Dear Scott,
> So, do I understand correctly that the recapped Arrivas
> were
> judged to be better than their original incarnation??
> Dear Jeff,
> That anecdote confirms the stateside opinion of the
> Arrivas.
> I wonder what the actual story of the Arrivas is: purpose, tire
> engineering
> and sales strategy?
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Cobb [mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:02 AM
> To: Scott Mead Photography
> Cc: Jeff Cobb; Charles Engles; Detomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
> Tom Tjaarda said he never understood why those horrible Arriva tires
> ever
> wound up on the Pantera.
> Also said that boss DeTomaso spent much time in court and with lawyers
> because of all the lawsuits
> created by those tires causing accidents.
> Jeff Cobb
> On Aug 10, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Scott Mead Photography
> <scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>> Chuck - Sometime in the late '70s, remember my father had worn his
> Arrivas
> down to the bare minimum, then taking the car to Caldwell Tire to have
> the
> tires recapped. The newly minted Arrivas were a vast improvement.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Corey,
>>>
>>> Egad. I can remember driving on them in the late
> eighties.
>>> They weren't roadworthy then either. Poor old Arrivas. Perhaps
> someone
>>> will take them for a strict stock original Pantera for display
> purposes.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Corey Price
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 1:43 PM
>>> To: Detomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>>>
>>> I have a pair of front Arriva tires that I was about to have to pay
> a fee
> to
>>> recycle. Does anyone want them? They are free (you pay shipping). I
> will
>>> recycle them if nobody wants them. They are old and no longer road
> worthy.
>>>
>>>
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Corey,
You should put them on eBay. Someone who does concourse will probably
pay you for them.
Jim
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On Monday, August 12, 2019, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Mike,
1) Thanks for the link to the ancient Goodyear Arriva TV
commercial.
2) So, the short story *may* be that the Arrivas are
simply DOT street-legal version of the Ford GT MkIV LeMans tires. If
that is true, then after driving with the civilian Arrivas I would
state that my respect for those Ford GT LeMans race drivers has gone up
*exponentially*. Of course, at the time, they would have been
considered state-of-the-tire-art.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 9:53 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: marshallgsmith; Jeff Cobb; Scott Mead Photography; Detomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
Chuck,
The original Arriva was only made in two sizes and was made only for
use on the Pantera. Goodyear later used the name on a low-performance
line of touring radial tires but they had no relation to aoura Arrivas.
I have been told (but canat confirm) that the original Pantera Arriva
was simply a DOT street-legal version of the tire used by Ford on the
1967 Le Mans-winning GT Mk IV.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 11, 2019, at 14:02, Charles Engles <[3]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Marshall,
>
>
> I completely agree with the understeer characteristic.
> Dumb questions: Did any other car use Arrivas as OEM? Were sold
to
> the general public?
>
>
> I suspect that with the name of Arriva, it is
plausible
> that Ford had Goodyear (?) make them for the Italian DeTomaso
Pantera.
>
>
> Interesting, Chuck Engles
>
>
> PS: when I used the P7s, I did notice the improvement over the
Arrivas
>
>
> From: marshallgsmith [mailto:[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 10:58 AM
> To: Charles Engles; 'Jeff Cobb'; 'Scott Mead Photography'
> Cc: 'Detomaso List'
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>
>
>
> Hey Chuck,
>
>
> I had always heard that the Arrivas were designed for the car to
make
> it understeer due to Ford's concern and fear that the car would
> oversteer severely because of the power at the hands of
inexperienced
> drivers.
>
>
> My experience with the car shod with Arrivas was exactly that. You'd
> come to a turn and the car would just keep going straight no matter
how
> much steering input. They were horrible.
>
>
> My first drive with the Pantera wearing BF Goodrich Tires sometime
in
> the late 1970s made it a completely different and well handling car.
It
> was finally thrilling to drive!!
>
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Charles Engles <[5]cengles at cox.net>
>
> Date: 8/11/19 8:23 AM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: 'Jeff Cobb' <[6]jeffcobb1 at me.com>, 'Scott Mead Photography'
> <[7]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>
> Cc: 'Detomaso List' <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>
>
> Dear Scott,
> So, do I understand correctly that the recapped
Arrivas
> were
> judged to be better than their original incarnation??
> Dear Jeff,
> That anecdote confirms the stateside opinion of the
> Arrivas.
> I wonder what the actual story of the Arrivas is: purpose, tire
> engineering
> and sales strategy?
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Cobb [mailto:[9]jeffcobb1 at me.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:02 AM
> To: Scott Mead Photography
> Cc: Jeff Cobb; Charles Engles; Detomaso List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
> Tom Tjaarda said he never understood why those horrible Arriva tires
> ever
> wound up on the Pantera.
> Also said that boss DeTomaso spent much time in court and with
lawyers
> because of all the lawsuits
> created by those tires causing accidents.
> Jeff Cobb
> On Aug 10, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Scott Mead Photography
> <[10]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>> Chuck - Sometime in the late '70s, remember my father had worn his
> Arrivas
> down to the bare minimum, then taking the car to Caldwell Tire to
have
> the
> tires recapped. The newly minted Arrivas were a vast improvement.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Charles Engles <[11]cengles at cox.net>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Corey,
>>>
>>> Egad. I can remember driving on them in the late
> eighties.
>>> They weren't roadworthy then either. Poor old Arrivas. Perhaps
> someone
>>> will take them for a strict stock original Pantera for display
> purposes.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Corey Price
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 1:43 PM
>>> To: Detomaso List
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>>>
>>> I have a pair of front Arriva tires that I was about to have to pay
> a fee
> to
>>> recycle. Does anyone want them? They are free (you pay shipping). I
> will
>>> recycle them if nobody wants them. They are old and no longer road
> worthy.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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