[DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Konrad Szwab
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Tue Sep 18 16:07:45 EDT 2018
Flywheels.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:00 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
wrote:
> Pump storage has been in use for a long time (1930's). I thought it was
> actually an efficient method (~80%). I worked at several Nukes that were
> used in such a system, too keep the nuke at 100% and pump water at night
> and
> then be able to supply 180% during the day. Fossil fuel plants are also
> used, and it inceases the life on the primary generators as they are
> designed to operate near 100% and having to reduce load at night cause
> fatigue and wear
>
> I heard of one test where they were using an inclined train track to raise
> cars full of gravel during the day with solar, and have the power available
> at night as the cars rolled back down. This shows the natural unbalance
> when thinking about solar power storage during the period when you need the
> power.
>
> Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Will Kooiman
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 15:18 PM
> To: Rob Dumoulin; JFFR
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27
> years will impact the long term value of our cars?
>
> That¹s a cool solution (2 lakes).
>
> I¹ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid system.
> I¹ll never do it, but I¹ve often wondered if it were possible.
> ........
> If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could create
> an energy infrastructure that makes sense. Use all available energy
> sources.
>
>
> On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of rob at dumoulins.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.A They had two
> > lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
> > high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam to
> > generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher reservoir
> > at night when it was off peak.A A
> > Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion machine to
> > even out capacity vs. demand.
>
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Flywheels.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:00 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
<[1]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
Pump storage has been in use for a long time (1930's).A A I thought
it was
actually an efficient method (~80%).A I worked at several Nukes
that were
used in such a system, too keep the nuke at 100% and pump water at
night and
then be able to supply 180% during the day.A Fossil fuel plants are
also
used, and it inceases the life on the primary generators as they are
designed to operate near 100% and having to reduce load at night
cause
fatigue and wear
I heard of one test where they were using an inclined train track to
raise
cars full of gravel during the day with solar, and have the power
available
at night as the cars rolled back down.A This shows the natural
unbalance
when thinking about solar power storage during the period when you
need the
power.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On Behalf
Of Will Kooiman
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 15:18 PM
To: Rob Dumoulin; JFFR
Cc: P - Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel
in 27
years will impact the long term value of our cars?
ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).
IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid
system.
A IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it were possible.
........
If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could
create
an energy infrastructure that makes sense.A Use all available
energy
sources.
On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
<[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[4]rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
>A A I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.AA
They had two
>A A lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
>A A high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam
to
>A A generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher
reservoir
>A A at night when it was off peak.AA A
>A A Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion
machine to
>A A even out capacity vs. demand.
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