[DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?

[Will Kooiman]

Using gravity makes a lot more sense than batteries.  The train track idea
is another interesting idea.

As I¹ve said before, I loved my Insight, but the batteries only lasted
about 70,000 miles, and the cost to replace was about $1,000.  Panasonic
quit making the batteries used by the Insight, so the price remained
around $1,000, but the poor quality of the non-professional replacements
only lasted about 50,000 miles.  So, the batteries were always the biggest
issue.

Maybe California/Nevada should use solar to refill Lake Mead from sea
water, along with a desalination plant.  This could address drought
problems, lower sea levels to appease global warming alarmists, and
provide clean energy for tree huggers.  Build a system and prove that it
works before you damn everyone else.  You don¹t make things better by
making everything you dislike illegal.

Off soap box now.   (reference lost on millennials)


On 9/18/18, 4:07 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Konrad Szwab"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of kszwab at gmail.com>
wrote:

>   Flywheels.
>
>   On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:00 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>   <[1]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Pump storage has been in use for a long time (1930's).A  A I thought
>     it was
>     actually an efficient method (~80%).A  I worked at several Nukes
>     that were
>     used in such a system, too keep the nuke at 100% and pump water at
>     night and
>     then be able to supply 180% during the day.A  Fossil fuel plants are
>     also
>     used, and it inceases the life on the primary generators as they are
>     designed to operate near 100% and having to reduce load at night
>     cause
>     fatigue and wear
>     I heard of one test where they were using an inclined train track to
>     raise
>     cars full of gravel during the day with solar, and have the power
>     available
>     at night as the cars rolled back down.A  This shows the natural
>     unbalance
>     when thinking about solar power storage during the period when you
>     need the
>     power.
>     Joe
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>     On Behalf
>     Of Will Kooiman
>     Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 15:18 PM
>     To: Rob Dumoulin; JFFR
>     Cc: P - Mail List
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel
>     in 27
>     years will impact the long term value of our cars?
>     ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).
>     IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid
>     system.
>     A IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it were possible.
>     ........
>     If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could
>     create
>     an energy infrastructure that makes sense.A  Use all available
>     energy
>     sources.
>     On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
>     <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>     [4]rob at dumoulins.net>
>     wrote:
>     >A  A I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.AA
>     They had two
>     >A  A lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
>     >A  A high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam
>     to
>     >A  A generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher
>     reservoir
>     >A  A at night when it was off peak.AA  A
>     >A  A Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion
>     machine to
>     >A  A even out capacity vs. demand.
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