[DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v Stock
Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
mbefthomas at comcast.net
Sat Sep 15 11:41:09 EDT 2018
Possibly. I plan to retain the stainless trim around the windows, so likely
retaining the stainless trim around the 'shield would maintain the correct
look. All open for debate at this point and that is certainly what I seem
to have inspired.
As I mentioned in a reply to Mike Drew, I respect the opinion of the
collective, that's why I put it out there. I like to consider all
perspectives. I starts to become that 'caretaker' v/v 'owner' question.
When you have a classic car that you are working to maintain and remind the
world where we've been, you have to think about how what you are doing to
that car is carried forward to the next generation who will be taking the
torch. That's why it does pain me on frequent occasion when I see some of
the 'styling attempts' done on our cars.
My interest in the possibility of a flush windshield was as much for
practicality as aesthetics. My current 'shield is badly chipped and leaks
like a sieve in the rain, so I know I want to replace it. So far as I can
tell the seal is in good shape, still supple all 'round on the outside. I
know the 'shield is not original, so it could be that a slightly undersized
unit was installed, as I've heard has been the case with some aftermarket
replacements.
All the input is appreciated and will be weighed in the balance when I go
forward.
Thanks
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
206-795-3302
Yellow '74 #6328
<http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/> www.panterasnorthwest.com
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:11 PM
To: Matt <nwpantera at gmail.com>; Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v Stock
And for comparison a blue car with glue in windshield. With a full
restoration I imagine you can get a better finish on the glue than a
straight removal and retrofit as this car had. Maybe it's the contrast of
the glue seam against the stainless trim that doesn't work and it would be
better with blacked out trim?
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v Stock
I thought the photo was small enough in size, but looks like this didn't get
through to the list first time;
Speaking of flush/glue in windshields, I took a photo of Roland Jaeckel's
Group 4 car at Le Mans Classic, specifically as I liked the way the his
windshield rubber looked. It is a one piece design that eliminates the
stainless trim and retains slightly more classic look than the full glue in
option. This is the route I would go.
Julian
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Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v Stock
I'm not you Mike and I don't know what you have planned. BUT you asked so
here's my opine.
My thinking is the end result will appear bone stock from the outside,
except for wheel/tire updates.
The real updates would not be obvious from the outside.
All other systems in the car could be updated to your liking but I'd still
retain the original look, including the raised shiny windshield frame.
I would repaint in the original color, what ever that may be. If the front
bonnet has had cooling vents added, I would make it smooth again.Wing? Gone.
Original motor? Preferred but not a deal breaker.
The funny thing is the Pantera seems to make you think it needs to be
"improved" more than most cars.
That's fine if the improvements address power,handling,reliability,safety
and comfort but any changes to appearance are not necessary in my book.
With a stock appearance the car will be worth more if that's important to
you.
I simply like the way it was originally designed and don't see a need to
modify the body other than a front spoiler if you want to go fast.
It all depends on how you plan to use it Mike. It is your car and life is
short so the bottom line is you can do anything you bloody well want!
Have fun,
Matt
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <
mbefthomas at comcast.net <mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net> > wrote:
> Starting that long, slippery list of things I want to have done or
> consider doing when I have 6328 restored in about 18 months (hey, I'm a
> project manager so I plan things . . . ).
>
>
> Since the body will be down to bare, and I need to replace my
> windshield anyway, I'm debating going to a flush unit. Denny Finn will
> be doing the resto.
>
>
> All thoughts and comments welcome!
>
>
> Bye the bye, had a great PNW Fall Cruise to the Beach Baron's Rod Run
> to the End of the World. 13 Panteras, a 67 396 El Camino, a 70 Mach 1
> and a 78 Austin Mini Cooper (RHD). Over 800 cars at the cruise.
> Outlining the Profiles article this week. We had two cars from
> Calgary, Alberta (nearly 1,100 miles and, no surprise to many, Bill
> Moore and Susanne won the Iron Butt(s) Award. We also had Julian and
> Ann Kift join us from Reno in their GT5. A great time was had by all.
> Stay tuned for the rest . . .
>
>
>
> . . . of the story.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> Pres., Panteras Northwest - A quaint little drinknig club with a car
> problem
>
> 206-795-3302
>
> Yellow '74 #6328
>
> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com <http://www.panterasnorthwest.com>
>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/
>
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Possibly. I plan to retain the stainless trim around the windows, so
likely retaining the stainless trim around the `shield would maintain
the correct look. All open for debate at this point and that is
certainly what I seem to have inspired.
As I mentioned in a reply to Mike Drew, I respect the opinion of the
collective, that's why I put it out there. I like to consider all
perspectives. I starts to become that `caretaker' v/v `owner'
question. When you have a classic car that you are working to maintain
and remind the world where we've been, you have to think about how what
you are doing to that car is carried forward to the next generation who
will be taking the torch. That's why it does pain me on frequent
occasion when I see some of the `styling attempts' done on our cars.
My interest in the possibility of a flush windshield was as much for
practicality as aesthetics. My current `shield is badly chipped and
leaks like a sieve in the rain, so I know I want to replace it. So far
as I can tell the seal is in good shape, still supple all `round on the
outside. I know the `shield is not original, so it could be that a
slightly undersized unit was installed, as I've heard has been the case
with some aftermarket replacements.
All the input is appreciated and will be weighed in the balance when I
go forward.
Thanks
Mike Thomas
Pres., Panteras Northwest
206-795-3302
Yellow '74 #6328
[1]www.panterasnorthwest.com
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:11 PM
To: Matt <nwpantera at gmail.com>; Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
<mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v
Stock
And for comparison a blue car with glue in windshield. With a full
restoration I imagine you can get a better finish on the glue than a
straight removal and retrofit as this car had. Maybe it's the contrast
of the glue seam against the stainless trim that doesn't work and it
would be better with blacked out trim?
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:03 PM
To: Matt; Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v
Stock
I thought the photo was small enough in size, but looks like this
didn't get through to the list first time;
Speaking of flush/glue in windshields, I took a photo of Roland
Jaeckel's Group 4 car at Le Mans Classic, specifically as I liked the
way the his windshield rubber looked. It is a one piece design that
eliminates the stainless trim and retains slightly more classic look
than the full glue in option. This is the route I would go.
Julian
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of Matt <[6]nwpantera at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v
Stock
I'm not you Mike and I don't know what you have planned. BUT you asked
so
here's my opine.
My thinking is the end result will appear bone stock from the outside,
except for wheel/tire updates.
The real updates would not be obvious from the outside.
All other systems in the car could be updated to your liking but I'd
still
retain the original look, including the raised shiny windshield frame.
I would repaint in the original color, what ever that may be. If the
front
bonnet has had cooling vents added, I would make it smooth again.Wing?
Gone.
Original motor? Preferred but not a deal breaker.
The funny thing is the Pantera seems to make you think it needs to be
"improved" more than most cars.
That's fine if the improvements address
power,handling,reliability,safety
and comfort but any changes to appearance are not necessary in my book.
With a stock appearance the car will be worth more if that's important
to
you.
I simply like the way it was originally designed and don't see a need
to
modify the body other than a front spoiler if you want to go fast.
It all depends on how you plan to use it Mike. It is your car and life
is
short so the bottom line is you can do anything you bloody well want!
Have fun,
Matt
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <
[7]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> Starting that long, slippery list of things I want to have done or
> consider doing when I have 6328 restored in about 18 months (hey,
I'm a
> project manager so I plan things . . . ).
>
>
> Since the body will be down to bare, and I need to replace my
> windshield anyway, I'm debating going to a flush unit. Denny Finn
will
> be doing the resto.
>
>
> All thoughts and comments welcome!
>
>
> Bye the bye, had a great PNW Fall Cruise to the Beach Baron's Rod
Run
> to the End of the World. 13 Panteras, a 67 396 El Camino, a 70
Mach 1
> and a 78 Austin Mini Cooper (RHD). Over 800 cars at the cruise.
> Outlining the Profiles article this week. We had two cars from
> Calgary, Alberta (nearly 1,100 miles and, no surprise to many,
Bill
> Moore and Susanne won the Iron Butt(s) Award. We also had Julian
and
> Ann Kift join us from Reno in their GT5. A great time was had by
all.
> Stay tuned for the rest . . .
>
>
>
> . . . of the story.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> Pres., Panteras Northwest - A quaint little drinknig club with a
car
> problem
>
> 206-795-3302
>
> Yellow '74 #6328
>
> [1][8]www.panterasnorthwest.com
>
> References
>
> 1. [9]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/
>
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References
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3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
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5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
6. mailto:nwpantera at gmail.com
7. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
8. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/
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