[DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive
Pantdino
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Wed Oct 3 16:27:40 EDT 2018
I think you can accomplish the same thing by instructing the owner / driver to do what you'd do, ie stop with hands off the wheel, downshift to second at a certain speed to see if the synchros are working, apply throttle to see if the car changes direction, brake hard, etc.
My impression is that with Ferraris the buyer does not drive the car until he has officially purchased it. Too much money at risk.
Jim
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From: MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
To: Himes, Terry (397C) (397C) <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive
I agree that it seems like it would be dumb to buy a car without driving it, but on reflection, I have bought three collector cars without driving them (each for different reasons) before purchasing them. That includes two Panteras and a Longchamp. I definitely would never let someone I do not know or trust drive one of my cars until the deal is done (or at least a large deposit is in-hand).Mark Charltonpantera01826 at rogers.com> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:> > Well said! > > Except for one thing... realistically, who would buy a car before they drove it?? > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"> > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory> Dawn Spacecraft Team> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead> Phone: (818) 393-6261> Cell: (818) 653-8213> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸> > > On 10/2/18, 11:23 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of asajay at asajay.com> wrote:> > I have to chime in here. I think there is a matter of "vetting" the potential buyer before letting them test drive. Yes, there are those who just want to burn the tires and see how fast the car goes; these you don't want driving the car.> > A real car guy who appreciates what they are looking to buy, will understand the concepts of horsepower and what it can do. They will understand the dynamic difference between mashing the throttle down and easing into it. They will know and feel if the engine is operating properly, if the secondaries for example are working or not. This what you discover by properly vetting the buyer.> > It's a mid-engine car. Have they driven anything like that before? With horsepower?> What do they do for a living? What are their hobbies? What other cars do they own? And more ...> > The idea is to get comfortable with the buyer. If you aren't comfortable with the buyer.... they don't get to drive it, until money is in hand and the title has been signed.> > Just my thoughts.> Asa Jay> > > Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks> > On Oct 2, 2018, 09:28, at 09:28, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> When I bought my Pantera, The seller would not allow me to drive it.>> >> He said people could loose control of the car with its power.>> >> At the time I thought this was a little 'odd', but I still bought the>> car.>> >> Soon thereafter I found that he used the wrong carb cable bracket, and >> the secondaries were not opening.>> >> Yea, the car was a lot faster after that quick fix.>> >> Even if insurance covers the damage, there is still a loss in value>> with>> the car now having been in a wreck, minor as it may be.>> >> The driver owes the owner some money, like $10,000, part compensation>> and part punishment.>> >> Few truly honest people out there... so this won't happen.>> >> I am 'hired' occasionally to drive specialty cars. >> >> This is to diagnose problems, provide my opinion, or to give demo rides>> to perspective buyers.>> >> I was even asked to drive Bob Benson's Blue Beast at the DeAnza Auto-X>> ... 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I think you can accomplish the same thing by instructing the owner /
driver to do what you'd do, ie stop with hands off the wheel, downshift
to second at a certain speed to see if the synchros are working, apply
throttle to see if the car changes direction, brake hard, etc.
My impression is that with Ferraris the buyer does not drive the car
until he has officially purchased it. Too much money at risk.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
To: Himes, Terry (397C) (397C) <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: DeTomaso Email List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; The
DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2018 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive
I agree that it seems like it would be dumb to buy a car without
driving it, but on reflection, I have bought three collector cars
without driving them (each for different reasons) before purchasing
them. That includes two Panteras and a Longchamp. I definitely would
never let someone I do not know or trust drive one of my cars until the
deal is done (or at least a large deposit is in-hand). Mark Charlton
[1]pantera01826 at rogers.com > On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Himes, Terry
(397C) via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >
Well said! > > Except for one thing... realistically, who would buy a
car before they drove it?? > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart
enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to
survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn
Spacecraft Team > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >
Cell: (818) 653-8213 > [3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > d--od-, > > > i>>?On
10/2/18, 11:23 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton"
<detomaso-[4]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[5]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: > > I have to chime in here. I think there
is a matter of "vetting" the potential buyer before letting them test
drive. Yes, there are those who just want to burn the tires and see how
fast the car goes; these you don't want driving the car. > > A real car
guy who appreciates what they are looking to buy, will understand the
concepts of horsepower and what it can do. They will understand the
dynamic difference between mashing the throttle down and easing into
it. They will know and feel if the engine is operating properly, if the
secondaries for example are working or not. This what you discover by
properly vetting the buyer. > > It's a mid-engine car. Have they driven
anything like that before? With horsepower? > What do they do for a
living? What are their hobbies? What other cars do they own? And more
... > > The idea is to get comfortable with the buyer. If you aren't
comfortable with the buyer.... they don't get to drive it, until money
is in hand and the title has been signed. > > Just my thoughts. > Asa
Jay > > > a-L-Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired > Sent
using Jedi Mind Tricksa > > On Oct 2, 2018, 09:28, at 09:28, The
DeTomaso Registry Guy <[6]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> When
I bought my Pantera, The seller would not allow me to drive it. >> >>
He said people could loose control of the car with its power. >> >> At
the time I thought this was a little 'odd', but I still bought the >>
car. >> >> Soon thereafter I found that he used the wrong carb cable
bracket, and >> the secondaries were not opening. >> >> Yea, the car
was a lot faster after that quick fix. >> >> Even if insurance covers
the damage, there is still a loss in value >> with >> the car now
having been in a wreck, minor as it may be. >> >> The driver owes the
owner some money, like $10,000, part compensation >> and part
punishment. >> >> Few truly honest people out there... so this won't
happen. >> >> I am 'hired' occasionally to drive specialty cars. >> >>
This is to diagnose problems, provide my opinion, or to give demo rides
>> to perspective buyers. >> >> I was even asked to drive Bob Benson's
Blue Beast at the DeAnza Auto-X >> ... Just to heat up the tires! >> >>
Now that was FUN! >> >> Chuck >> >> >>
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