[DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Thu Oct 4 11:43:16 EDT 2018
I don't know if this is specific to Texas or not, but here in Texas if a
car is involved in an accident, the car carries the insurance regardless of
who is driving. So if the guy says he has insurance, it doesn't matter,
even if it's his fault. If you own the car, it's your insurance that pays.
Jeff
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:27 PM Pantdino via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> I think you can accomplish the same thing by instructing the owner /
> driver to do what you'd do, ie stop with hands off the wheel, downshift
> to second at a certain speed to see if the synchros are working, apply
> throttle to see if the car changes direction, brake hard, etc.
>
> My impression is that with Ferraris the buyer does not drive the car
> until he has officially purchased it. Too much money at risk.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
> To: Himes, Terry (397C) (397C) <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Cc: DeTomaso Email List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; The
> DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2018 12:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive
> I agree that it seems like it would be dumb to buy a car without
> driving it, but on reflection, I have bought three collector cars
> without driving them (each for different reasons) before purchasing
> them. That includes two Panteras and a Longchamp. I definitely would
> never let someone I do not know or trust drive one of my cars until the
> deal is done (or at least a large deposit is in-hand). Mark Charlton
> [1]pantera01826 at rogers.com > On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Himes, Terry
> (397C) via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >
> Well said! > > Except for one thing... realistically, who would buy a
> car before they drove it?? > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart
> enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to
> survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn
> Spacecraft Team > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 >
> Cell: (818) 653-8213 > [3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > d--od-, > > > i>>?On
> 10/2/18, 11:23 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton"
> <detomaso-[4]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [5]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: > > I have to chime in here. I think there
> is a matter of "vetting" the potential buyer before letting them test
> drive. Yes, there are those who just want to burn the tires and see how
> fast the car goes; these you don't want driving the car. > > A real car
> guy who appreciates what they are looking to buy, will understand the
> concepts of horsepower and what it can do. They will understand the
> dynamic difference between mashing the throttle down and easing into
> it. They will know and feel if the engine is operating properly, if the
> secondaries for example are working or not. This what you discover by
> properly vetting the buyer. > > It's a mid-engine car. Have they driven
> anything like that before? With horsepower? > What do they do for a
> living? What are their hobbies? What other cars do they own? And more
> ... > > The idea is to get comfortable with the buyer. If you aren't
> comfortable with the buyer.... they don't get to drive it, until money
> is in hand and the title has been signed. > > Just my thoughts. > Asa
> Jay > > > a-L-Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired > Sent
> using Jedi Mind Tricksa > > On Oct 2, 2018, 09:28, at 09:28, The
> DeTomaso Registry Guy <[6]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> When
> I bought my Pantera, The seller would not allow me to drive it. >> >>
> He said people could loose control of the car with its power. >> >> At
> the time I thought this was a little 'odd', but I still bought the >>
> car. >> >> Soon thereafter I found that he used the wrong carb cable
> bracket, and >> the secondaries were not opening. >> >> Yea, the car
> was a lot faster after that quick fix. >> >> Even if insurance covers
> the damage, there is still a loss in value >> with >> the car now
> having been in a wreck, minor as it may be. >> >> The driver owes the
> owner some money, like $10,000, part compensation >> and part
> punishment. >> >> Few truly honest people out there... so this won't
> happen. >> >> I am 'hired' occasionally to drive specialty cars. >> >>
> This is to diagnose problems, provide my opinion, or to give demo rides
> >> to perspective buyers. >> >> I was even asked to drive Bob Benson's
> Blue Beast at the DeAnza Auto-X >> ... Just to heat up the tires! >> >>
> Now that was FUN! >> >> Chuck >> >> >>
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I don't know if this is specific to Texas or not, but here in Texas if
a car is involved in an accident, the car carries the insurance
regardless of who is driving. So if the guy says he has insurance, it
doesn't matter, even if it's his fault. If you own the car, it's your
insurance that pays.
Jeff
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:27 PM Pantdino via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A I think you can accomplish the same thing by instructing the
owner /
A A driver to do what you'd do, ie stop with hands off the wheel,
downshift
A A to second at a certain speed to see if the synchros are
working, apply
A A throttle to see if the car changes direction, brake hard, etc.
A A My impression is that with Ferraris the buyer does not drive
the car
A A until he has officially purchased it.A Too much money at risk.
A A Jim
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: MARK CHARLTON <[2]pantera01826 at rogers.com>
A A To: Himes, Terry (397C) (397C) <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
A A Cc: DeTomaso Email List <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
The
A A DeTomaso Registry Guy <[5]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
A A Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2018 12:19 pm
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test
drive
A A I agree that it seems like it would be dumb to buy a car
without
A A driving it, but on reflection, I have bought three collector
cars
A A without driving them (each for different reasons) before
purchasing
A A them. That includes two Panteras and a Longchamp. I definitely
would
A A never let someone I do not know or trust drive one of my cars
until the
A A deal is done (or at least a large deposit is in-hand). Mark
Charlton
A A [1][6]pantera01826 at rogers.com > On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:32 PM,
Himes, Terry
A A (397C) via DeTomaso <[2][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
wrote: > >
A A Well said! > > Except for one thing... realistically, who would
buy a
A A car before they drove it?? > > > "A Purple Heart proves you
were smart
A A enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky
enough to
A A survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >
Dawn
A A Spacecraft Team > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818)
393-6261 >
A A Cell: (818) 653-8213 > [3][8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > d--od-, > >
> i>>?On
A A 10/2/18, 11:23 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton"
A A <detomaso-[4][9]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A [5][10]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: > > I have to chime in here. I
think there
A A is a matter of "vetting" the potential buyer before letting
them test
A A drive. Yes, there are those who just want to burn the tires and
see how
A A fast the car goes; these you don't want driving the car. > > A
real car
A A guy who appreciates what they are looking to buy, will
understand the
A A concepts of horsepower and what it can do. They will understand
the
A A dynamic difference between mashing the throttle down and easing
into
A A it. They will know and feel if the engine is operating
properly, if the
A A secondaries for example are working or not. This what you
discover by
A A properly vetting the buyer. > > It's a mid-engine car. Have
they driven
A A anything like that before? With horsepower? > What do they do
for a
A A living? What are their hobbies? What other cars do they own?
And more
A A ... > > The idea is to get comfortable with the buyer. If you
aren't
A A comfortable with the buyer.... they don't get to drive it,
until money
A A is in hand and the title has been signed. > > Just my thoughts.
> Asa
A A Jay > > > a-L-Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired >
Sent
A A using Jedi Mind Tricksa > > On Oct 2, 2018, 09:28, at 09:28,
The
A A DeTomaso Registry Guy <[6][11]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
wrote: >> >> When
A A I bought my Pantera, The seller would not allow me to drive it.
>> >>
A A He said people could loose control of the car with its power.
>> >> At
A A the time I thought this was a little 'odd', but I still bought
the >>
A A car. >> >> Soon thereafter I found that he used the wrong carb
cable
A A bracket, and >> the secondaries were not opening. >> >> Yea,
the car
A A was a lot faster after that quick fix. >> >> Even if insurance
covers
A A the damage, there is still a loss in value >> with >> the car
now
A A having been in a wreck, minor as it may be. >> >> The driver
owes the
A A owner some money, like $10,000, part compensation >> and part
A A punishment. >> >> Few truly honest people out there... so this
won't
A A happen. >> >> I am 'hired' occasionally to drive specialty
cars. >> >>
A A This is to diagnose problems, provide my opinion, or to give
demo rides
A A >> to perspective buyers. >> >> I was even asked to drive Bob
Benson's
A A Blue Beast at the DeAnza Auto-X >> ... Just to heat up the
tires! >> >>
A A Now that was FUN! >> >> Chuck >> >> >>
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