[DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing marks
George B
gkb1968 at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 28 14:13:11 EDT 2018
I just found TDC with a dial indicator (could use a cheap stopper tool that threads in the sparkplug hole) and used a sharpie marker to mark the flywheel to bell housing at TDC in inspection cover area. Then just use a timing light that you can dial in degrees of delay or advance (very inexpensive these days). That method worked very well for me over the last 15years.
George
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:27:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing marks
Can the flywheel be marked with it out so it will line up with the bell
housing window, So I could tell engine builder to have it marked?
(I am not familiar even if the flywheel has to indexed to the crank)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing marks
Dennis,
Very true. No Fords had timing marks on the flywheel. It would be
impossible to see on anything but a Pantera.
Mike
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> On Jun 28, 2018, at 01:23, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> My car #7260, is a very late 1974. I've hooked up the timing light and
> pointed it at the flywheel through the bell housing access hole hoping
> to see some marks and did not see any. Based on this, I don't think
> they came with marks on the flywheel. For those that have them, they
> were probably added.
> On Monday, June 25, 2018, 7:48:40 PM PDT, Chuck and Linda Huber
> <lindahuber at cox.net> wrote:
> My car has the timing marks on the flywheel.
> You can just mill them on a rotary table. Much easier access for quick
> timing checks, and they won't slip.
> Chuck
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:12 PM
> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
> Cc: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [3]gggraup at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
> marks
> Checking and changing the belts is more often than setting the timing.
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> & Elizabeth Thomas <[5]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
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> Betreff: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
> marks
> Not to mention avoiding the need to pull the seat, firewall cover and
> access
> cover to set the timing . . .
> Thanks Thomas
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:11 AM
> To: Larry Stock <[9]larrys at panteraparts.com>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
> marks
> Late cars have timing marks on the flywheel. Not sure if that can be
> added
> to early cars, but that is much safer than the damper.
> /Thomas
>> 24 juni 2018 kl. 19:39 skrev Larry Stock
> <[15]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>>
>> The damper has probably de-bonded and has rotted out of its balance
>> position.
>> Coming through Seattle from Bremerton via ferry today.
>> Larry
>>
>> On 6/24/18, 9:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas"
>> <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [17]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> One of our PNW members from Spokane has run into some challenges
>>> with the timing marks on his Cleveland. Thought I'd pass it to the
>>> forum for some Sunday discussion. Thanks in advance, this is what
>>> makes this group so great!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Thomas
>>>
>>> Pres., Panteras Northwest
>>>
>>> 206-795-3302
>>>
>>> Yellow '74 #6328
>>>
>>> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 7:34 AM
>>> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[20]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Pantera Question for you guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mike; Hope you are well. Got a question for you . On my
>>> Pantera, which is a 71, I find that when I bring number 1
> cylinder
>>> up to top dead center and use the mark on the damper as a guide,
> its
>>> not even close to accurate. Inches off....... So I scribed a new
>>> mark that I use. I have no way of knowing, but I suspect it was
> mis
>>> marked or maybe a damper off a different car. The only thing I
>>> can figure out otherwise is that possibly the metal pointer is in
>>> the wrong spot on the engine., although it doesn't appear it could
> go
>>> anywhere else on the front of the engine. Any ideas on this?
>>> Gary Graupner.
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [21]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/
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I just found TDC with a dial indicator (could use a cheap stopper tool
that threads in the sparkplug hole) and used a sharpie marker to mark
the flywheel to bell housing at TDC in inspection cover area. Then just
use a timing light that you can dial in degrees of delay or advance
(very inexpensive these days). That method worked very well for me
over the last 15years.
George
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:27:46 AM
To: 'List DeTomaso Forum'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
marks
Can the flywheel be marked with it out so it will line up with the bell
housing window, So I could tell engine builder to have it marked?
(I am not familiar even if the flywheel has to indexed to the crank)
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From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:17 AM
To: Dennis Valdez
Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
gggraup at comcast.net; Chuck and Linda Huber
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
marks
Dennis,
Very true. No Fords had timing marks on the flywheel. It would be
impossible to see on anything but a Pantera.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 01:23, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> My car #7260, is a very late 1974. I've hooked up the timing light
and
> pointed it at the flywheel through the bell housing access hole
hoping
> to see some marks and did not see any. Based on this, I don't
think
> they came with marks on the flywheel. For those that have them,
they
> were probably added.
> On Monday, June 25, 2018, 7:48:40 PM PDT, Chuck and Linda Huber
> <lindahuber at cox.net> wrote:
> My car has the timing marks on the flywheel.
> You can just mill them on a rotary table. Much easier access for
quick
> timing checks, and they won't slip.
> Chuck
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roland [[2]mailto:[1]willibillie at live.de]
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:12 PM
> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
> Cc: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [3]gggraup at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
> marks
> Checking and changing the belts is more often than setting the
timing.
> ________________________________
> Von: DeTomaso <[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> im
Auftrag
> von Mike
> & Elizabeth Thomas <[5]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Juni 2018 21:05
> An: 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
> Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [7]gggraup at comcast.net
> Betreff: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
> marks
> Not to mention avoiding the need to pull the seat, firewall cover
and
> access
> cover to set the timing . . .
> Thanks Thomas
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas TAP:rnblom <[8]thomas at hax.se>
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:11 AM
> To: Larry Stock <[9]larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[10]mbefthomas at comcast.net>;
> [11]doug351c at gmail.com;
> [12]jgkrenton at comcast.net; [13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
> [14]gggraup at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
> marks
> Late cars have timing marks on the flywheel. Not sure if that can
be
> added
> to early cars, but that is much safer than the damper.
> /Thomas
>> 24 juni 2018 kl. 19:39 skrev Larry Stock
> <[15]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>>
>> The damper has probably de-bonded and has rotted out of its balance
>> position.
>> Coming through Seattle from Bremerton via ferry today.
>> Larry
>>
>> On 6/24/18, 9:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas"
>> <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [17]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> One of our PNW members from Spokane has run into some challenges
>>> with the timing marks on his Cleveland. Thought I'd pass it to
the
>>> forum for some Sunday discussion. Thanks in advance, this is what
>>> makes this group so great!
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Thomas
>>>
>>> Pres., Panteras Northwest
>>>
>>> 206-795-3302
>>>
>>> Yellow '74 #6328
>>>
>>> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: [18]gggraup at comcast.net <[19]gggraup at comcast.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 7:34 AM
>>> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[20]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Pantera Question for you guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mike; Hope you are well. Got a question for you . On my
>>> Pantera, which is a 71, I find that when I bring number 1
> cylinder
>>> up to top dead center and use the mark on the damper as a guide,
> its
>>> not even close to accurate. Inches off....... So I scribed a new
>>> mark that I use. I have no way of knowing, but I suspect it was
> mis
>>> marked or maybe a damper off a different car. The only thing I
>>> can figure out otherwise is that possibly the metal pointer is in
>>> the wrong spot on the engine., although it doesn't appear it
could
> go
>>> anywhere else on the front of the engine. Any ideas on this?
>>> Gary Graupner.
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. [21]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/
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