[DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing marks

Dennis Valdez sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 28 14:51:25 EDT 2018


 I like the idea of marking the flywheel and bell housing as others have done.
Iv'e found the TDC finding tools, be it a dial gauge or spring loaded device screwed into the spark plug hole are difficult to use if the spark plug is not nearly perpendicular to the top of the piston like a hemi-head.  For those that have done this on the 351c, did you have difficulty getting the device to not bind?
    On Thursday, June 28, 2018, 11:13:34 AM PDT, George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
   I just found TDC with a dial indicator (could use a cheap stopper tool
  that threads in the sparkplug hole) and used a sharpie marker to mark
  the flywheel to bell housing at TDC in inspection cover area. Then just
  use a timing light that you can dial in degrees of delay or advance
  (very inexpensive these days).  That method worked very well for me
  over the last 15years.
  George
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  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
  Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:27:46 AM
  To: 'List DeTomaso Forum'
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
  marks

  Can the flywheel be marked with it out so it will line up with the bell
  housing window,  So I could tell engine builder to have it marked?
  (I am not familiar even if the flywheel has to indexed to the crank)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
  Behalf
  Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:17 AM
  To: Dennis Valdez
  Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
  gggraup at comcast.net; Chuck and Linda Huber
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
  marks
  Dennis,
  Very true. No Fords had timing marks on the flywheel.  It would be
  impossible to see on anything but a Pantera.
  Mike
  Sent from my iPad
  > On Jun 28, 2018, at 01:23, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
  <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  >
  >  My car #7260, is a very late 1974. I've hooked up the timing light
  and
  >  pointed it at the flywheel through the bell housing access hole
  hoping
  >  to see some marks and did not see any.  Based on this, I don't
  think
  >  they came with marks on the flywheel.  For those that have them,
  they
  >  were probably added.
  >  On Monday, June 25, 2018, 7:48:40 PM PDT, Chuck and Linda Huber
  >  <lindahuber at cox.net> wrote:
  >  My car has the timing marks on the flywheel.
  >  You can just mill them on a rotary table.  Much easier access for
  quick
  >  timing checks, and they won't slip.
  >  Chuck
  >  -----Original Message-----
  >  From: Roland [[2]mailto:[1]willibillie at live.de]
  >  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:12 PM
  >  To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
  >  Cc: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [3]gggraup at comcast.net
  >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
  >  marks
  >  Checking and changing the belts is more often than setting the
  timing.
  >  ________________________________
  >  Von: DeTomaso <[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> im
  Auftrag
  >  von Mike
  >  & Elizabeth Thomas <[5]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
  >  Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Juni 2018 21:05
  >  An: 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
  >  Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [7]gggraup at comcast.net
  >  Betreff: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
  >  marks
  >  Not to mention avoiding the need to pull the seat, firewall cover
  and
  >  access
  >  cover to set the timing . . .
  >  Thanks Thomas
  >  -----Original Message-----
  >  From: Thomas TAP:rnblom <[8]thomas at hax.se>
  >  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:11 AM
  >  To: Larry Stock <[9]larrys at panteraparts.com>
  >  Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[10]mbefthomas at comcast.net>;
  >  [11]doug351c at gmail.com;
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  >  [14]gggraup at comcast.net
  >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
  >  marks
  >  Late cars have timing marks on the flywheel. Not sure if that can
  be
  >  added
  >  to early cars, but that is much safer than the damper.
  >  /Thomas
  >> 24 juni 2018 kl. 19:39 skrev Larry Stock
  >  <[15]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
  >>
  >> The damper has probably de-bonded and has rotted out of its balance
  >> position.
  >> Coming through Seattle from Bremerton via ferry today.
  >> Larry
  >>
  >> On 6/24/18, 9:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas"
  >> <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
  >> [17]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
  >>
  >>> One of our PNW members from Spokane has run into some challenges
  >>> with  the timing marks on his Cleveland.  Thought I'd pass it to
  the
  >>> forum  for some Sunday discussion.  Thanks in advance, this is what
  >>> makes this  group so great!
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Mike Thomas
  >>>
  >>> Pres., Panteras Northwest
  >>>
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  >>> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[20]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
  >>> Subject: Pantera Question for you guys.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Hi Mike;  Hope you are well.  Got a question for you .    On my
  >>> Pantera, which is a 71,  I find that when I bring  number 1
  >  cylinder
  >>> up to top dead center and use the mark  on the damper as a guide,
  >  its
  >>> not even close to accurate.  Inches off.......  So I scribed a new
  >>> mark that I use.    I  have no way of knowing, but I suspect it was
  >  mis
  >>> marked or maybe a damper off a different car.      The only thing I
  >>> can figure out otherwise is that possibly the  metal  pointer is in
  >>> the  wrong spot on the engine.,  although it doesn't appear it
  could
  >  go
  >>> anywhere else on the front of the engine.    Any ideas on this?
  >>> Gary Graupner.
  >>>
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  >>>
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   I like the idea of marking the flywheel and bell housing as others have
   done.
   Iv'e found the TDC finding tools, be it a dial gauge or spring loaded
   device screwed into the spark plug hole are difficult to use if the
   spark plug is not nearly perpendicular to the top of the piston like a
   hemi-head.  For those that have done this on the 351c, did you have
   difficulty getting the device to not bind?
   On Thursday, June 28, 2018, 11:13:34 AM PDT, George B
   <gkb1968 at hotmail.com> wrote:
     I just found TDC with a dial indicator (could use a cheap stopper
   tool
     that threads in the sparkplug hole) and used a sharpie marker to mark
     the flywheel to bell housing at TDC in inspection cover area. Then
   just
     use a timing light that you can dial in degrees of delay or advance
     (very inexpensive these days).  That method worked very well for me
     over the last 15years.
     George
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
     Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[2]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
     Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:27:46 AM
     To: 'List DeTomaso Forum'
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
     marks
     Can the flywheel be marked with it out so it will line up with the
   bell
     housing window,  So I could tell engine builder to have it marked?
     (I am not familiar even if the flywheel has to indexed to the crank)
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso
   [[1]mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
     Behalf
     Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:17 AM
     To: Dennis Valdez
     Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
     [5]gggraup at comcast.net; Chuck and Linda Huber
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
     marks
     Dennis,
     Very true. No Fords had timing marks on the flywheel.  It would be
     impossible to see on anything but a Pantera.
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Jun 28, 2018, at 01:23, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
     <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >
     >  My car #7260, is a very late 1974. I've hooked up the timing light
     and
     >  pointed it at the flywheel through the bell housing access hole
     hoping
     >  to see some marks and did not see any.  Based on this, I don't
     think
     >  they came with marks on the flywheel.  For those that have them,
     they
     >  were probably added.
     >  On Monday, June 25, 2018, 7:48:40 PM PDT, Chuck and Linda Huber
     >  <[7]lindahuber at cox.net> wrote:
     >  My car has the timing marks on the flywheel.
     >  You can just mill them on a rotary table.  Much easier access for
     quick
     >  timing checks, and they won't slip.
     >  Chuck
     >  -----Original Message-----
     >  From: Roland [[2]mailto:[1][8]willibillie at live.de]
     >  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:12 PM
     >  To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
     >  Cc: [2][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
   [3][10]gggraup at comcast.net
     >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
   timing
     >  marks
     >  Checking and changing the belts is more often than setting the
     timing.
     >  ________________________________
     >  Von: DeTomaso <[4][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> im
     Auftrag
     >  von Mike
     >  & Elizabeth Thomas <[5][12]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     >  Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Juni 2018 21:05
     >  An: 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
     >  Cc: [6][13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
   [7][14]gggraup at comcast.net
     >  Betreff: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
   timing
     >  marks
     >  Not to mention avoiding the need to pull the seat, firewall cover
     and
     >  access
     >  cover to set the timing . . .
     >  Thanks Thomas
     >  -----Original Message-----
     >  From: Thomas TAP:rnblom <[8][15]thomas at hax.se>
     >  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:11 AM
     >  To: Larry Stock <[9][16]larrys at panteraparts.com>
     >  Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[10][17]mbefthomas at comcast.net>;
     >  [11][18]doug351c at gmail.com;
     >  [12][19]jgkrenton at comcast.net;
   [13][20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
     >  [14][21]gggraup at comcast.net
     >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
   timing
     >  marks
     >  Late cars have timing marks on the flywheel. Not sure if that can
     be
     >  added
     >  to early cars, but that is much safer than the damper.
     >  /Thomas
     >> 24 juni 2018 kl. 19:39 skrev Larry Stock
     >  <[15][22]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
     >>
     >> The damper has probably de-bonded and has rotted out of its
   balance
     >> position.
     >> Coming through Seattle from Bremerton via ferry today.
     >> Larry
     >>
     >> On 6/24/18, 9:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth
   Thomas"
     >> <[16][23]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
     >> [17][24]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
     >>
     >>> One of our PNW members from Spokane has run into some challenges
     >>> with  the timing marks on his Cleveland.  Thought I'd pass it to
     the
     >>> forum  for some Sunday discussion.  Thanks in advance, this is
   what
     >>> makes this  group so great!
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> Mike Thomas
     >>>
     >>> Pres., Panteras Northwest
     >>>
     >>> 206-795-3302
     >>>
     >>> Yellow '74 #6328
     >>>
     >>> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> From: [18][25]gggraup at comcast.net <[19][26]gggraup at comcast.net>
     >>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 7:34 AM
     >>> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[20][27]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
     >>> Subject: Pantera Question for you guys.
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> Hi Mike;  Hope you are well.  Got a question for you .    On my
     >>> Pantera, which is a 71,  I find that when I bring  number 1
     >  cylinder
     >>> up to top dead center and use the mark  on the damper as a guide,
     >  its
     >>> not even close to accurate.  Inches off.......  So I scribed a
   new
     >>> mark that I use.    I  have no way of knowing, but I suspect it
   was
     >  mis
     >>> marked or maybe a damper off a different car.      The only thing
   I
     >>> can figure out otherwise is that possibly the  metal  pointer is
   in
     >>> the  wrong spot on the engine.,  although it doesn't appear it
     could
     >  go
     >>> anywhere else on the front of the engine.    Any ideas on this?
     >>> Gary Graupner.
     >>>
     >>> References
     >>>
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     >  8. [11]mailto:[45]thomas at hax.se
     >  9. [12]mailto:[46]larrys at panteraparts.com
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     >  11. [14]mailto:[48]doug351c at gmail.com
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     >  21. [24][58]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 22.
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     11. mailto:[86]thomas at hax.se
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     14. mailto:[89]doug351c at gmail.com
     15. mailto:[90]jgkrenton at comcast.net
     16. mailto:[91]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     17. mailto:[92]gggraup at comcast.net
     18. mailto:[93]larrys at panteraparts.com
     19. mailto:[94]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     20. mailto:[95]mbefthomas at comcast.net
     21. mailto:[96]gggraup at comcast.net
     22. mailto:[97]gggraup at comcast.net
     23. mailto:[98]mbefthomas at comcast.net
     24. [99]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/
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     26. mailto:[101]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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     28. mailto:[103]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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