[DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY DATES

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Fri Jun 22 19:43:55 EDT 2018 

Mike,


That is my understanding, but I'm trying to obtain some further clarification as it would appear Reno Tahoe Pantera's is taking on some not insignificant financial risks as a small chapter and especially as we will be in direct competition for attendees with the Forza event. I'm also trying to clarify the Fun Rally raffle situation as I assume the Chapter would run and benefit from that wholly in an effort to break even.


The bigger question is if POCA is not sponsoring events, what is the amassed $125K of central funds going to do? I would forward a motion that if POCA is decentralizing to the Chapters then the bulk of the membership funds should be redistributed to the those Chapters and future membership renewals likewise, with only a token to cover publications going to POCA central.


Funny how this is all now happening after a fairly disastrous Vegas Rally, not supported by any Chapter! Personally I think if all this is true then POCA just cut it's own throat, quite sad.


Julian

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY DATES

Jack,

All the events you mention were/are great, but they are deliberately smaller regional events, unlike the POCA Fun Rally which is supposed to be THE national event.

Are you saying the board has decided to abdicate that responsibility and there will only be regional events from now on, staged by the chapters?

That would be a very sad state of affairs if it was true. I’m hoping I misunderstood you?

Mike

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> On Jun 22, 2018, at 4:03 PM, jderyke at aol.com wrote:
>
> Yes, Robert-  the Florida event you refer to is a Chapter-run event called 'The First DeTomasos United East Coast Fun Rally. It is to be entirely run by volunteers from the South-East Pantera Chapter of POCA over Oct 18-21. There are probably enough Panteras in FL and the southeast U.S. to make it financially feasible. The 2019 Reno Event will be of the same type held in the West, also run entirely by a POCA Chapter who will reap any rewards for this sort of event. In previous years, such events were sponsored by Great Lakes Panteras Chapter in the mId-West and even earlier on the East Coast by the PONE Chapter and the Jersey Panteras Chapter.
>
> The Board decided that POCA should not compete with the Chapters in doing these sorts of events, when they know their local conditions better than the Board, so we support the Chapter efforts. Hope to see you at one or more- J DeRyke, POCA Newsletter Ed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Pink <robpink2012 at gmail.com>
> To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: fresnofinches <fresnofinches at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; mikeldrew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 22, 2018 5:36 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY DATES
>
> Didnat I see an event in Florida for October this year in the POCA
> Magazine?
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:19 PM marshall smith
> <[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Some collaborative effort Julian....."all the financial risk (and
> any reward) falling toA the local sponsoring Chapter." That says it
> all.
> M
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 6/21/18, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY DATES
> A To: "[3]jjdetrich at gmail.com" <[4]jjdetrich at gmail.com>,
> "[5]cengles at cox.net" <[6]cengles at cox.net>, "j R"
> <[7]pantera351 at yahoo.com>, "marshall smith"
> <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> A Cc: "[9]mikeldrew at aol.com" <[10]mikeldrew at aol.com>,
> "[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, "[13]fresnofinches at aol.com"
> <[14]fresnofinches at aol.com>
> A Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018, 2:59 PM
> A I don't
> A disagree with that, although a collaborative rather than
> A competitive arena will see far more success for all.
> A We also need to be
> A clear what is and isn't a POCA sanctioned and sponsored
> A event, although on that latter point the latestA BoD minutes
> A released today would suggest none of them will be sponsored
> A going forward, all the
> A financial risk (and any reward) falling toA the local
> A sponsoring Chapter. That might see less Chapter's
> A willing to step up (especially the smaller regions)A and put
> A on a RallyA and thenA begs the question why do we
> A evenA haveA a central organization and where will
> A the membership funding go? It's just one more nail in
> A the coffin IMO.
> A Julian
> A From: DeTomaso
> A <[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> A of marshall smith <[16]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> A Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:47 PM
> A To: [17]jjdetrich at gmail.com; [18]cengles at cox.net; j R
> A Cc: [19]mikeldrew at aol.com;
> A [20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [21]fresnofinches at aol.com
> A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY
> A DATES
> A A
> A We've
> A done that for thirtysomething years. It's time for more
> A than one rally per year and in more areas of the country!
> A Marshall
> A --------------------------------------------
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> 5. mailto:cengles at cox.net
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> 7. mailto:pantera351 at yahoo.com
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   Mike,

   That is my understanding, but I'm trying to obtain some further
   clarification as it would appear Reno Tahoe Pantera's is taking on some
   not insignificant financial risks as a small chapter and especially as
   we will be in direct competition for attendees with the Forza event.
   I'm also trying to clarify the Fun Rally raffle situation as I assume
   the Chapter would run and benefit from that wholly in an effort to
   break even.

   The bigger question is if POCA is not sponsoring events, what is the
   amassed $125K of central funds going to do? I would forward a motion
   that if POCA is decentralizing to the Chapters then the bulk of the
   membership funds should be redistributed to the those Chapters and
   future membership renewals likewise, with only a token to cover
   publications going to POCA central.

   Funny how this is all now happening after a fairly disastrous Vegas
   Rally, not supported by any Chapter! Personally I think if all this is
   true then POCA just cut it's own throat, quite sad.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 4:14 PM
   To: jderyke at aol.com
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; fresnofinches at aol.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY DATES

   Jack,
   All the events you mention were/are great, but they are deliberately
   smaller regional events, unlike the POCA Fun Rally which is supposed to
   be THE national event.
   Are you saying the board has decided to abdicate that responsibility
   and there will only be regional events from now on, staged by the
   chapters?
   That would be a very sad state of affairs if it was true. I'm hoping I
   misunderstood you?
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Jun 22, 2018, at 4:03 PM, jderyke at aol.com wrote:
   >
   > Yes, Robert-  the Florida event you refer to is a Chapter-run event
   called 'The First DeTomasos United East Coast Fun Rally. It is to be
   entirely run by volunteers from the South-East Pantera Chapter of POCA
   over Oct 18-21. There are probably enough Panteras in FL and the
   southeast U.S. to make it financially feasible. The 2019 Reno Event
   will be of the same type held in the West, also run entirely by a POCA
   Chapter who will reap any rewards for this sort of event. In previous
   years, such events were sponsored by Great Lakes Panteras Chapter in
   the mId-West and even earlier on the East Coast by the PONE Chapter and
   the Jersey Panteras Chapter.
   >
   > The Board decided that POCA should not compete with the Chapters in
   doing these sorts of events, when they know their local conditions
   better than the Board, so we support the Chapter efforts. Hope to see
   you at one or more- J DeRyke, POCA Newsletter Ed.
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Robert Pink <robpink2012 at gmail.com>
   > To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
   > Cc: fresnofinches <fresnofinches at aol.com>; detomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; mikeldrew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   > Sent: Fri, Jun 22, 2018 5:36 am
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY DATES
   >
   > Didnat I see an event in Florida for October this year in the POCA
   > Magazine?
   >
   > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:19 PM marshall smith
   > <[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
   >
   > Some collaborative effort Julian....."all the financial risk (and
   > any reward) falling toA the local sponsoring Chapter." That says it
   > all.
   > M
   > --------------------------------------------
   > On Thu, 6/21/18, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   > A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY DATES
   > A To: "[3]jjdetrich at gmail.com" <[4]jjdetrich at gmail.com>,
   > "[5]cengles at cox.net" <[6]cengles at cox.net>, "j R"
   > <[7]pantera351 at yahoo.com>, "marshall smith"
   > <[8]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
   > A Cc: "[9]mikeldrew at aol.com" <[10]mikeldrew at aol.com>,
   > "[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   > <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, "[13]fresnofinches at aol.com"
   > <[14]fresnofinches at aol.com>
   > A Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018, 2:59 PM
   > A I don't
   > A disagree with that, although a collaborative rather than
   > A competitive arena will see far more success for all.
   > A We also need to be
   > A clear what is and isn't a POCA sanctioned and sponsored
   > A event, although on that latter point the latestA BoD minutes
   > A released today would suggest none of them will be sponsored
   > A going forward, all the
   > A financial risk (and any reward) falling toA the local
   > A sponsoring Chapter. That might see less Chapter's
   > A willing to step up (especially the smaller regions)A and put
   > A on a RallyA and thenA begs the question why do we
   > A evenA haveA a central organization and where will
   > A the membership funding go? It's just one more nail in
   > A the coffin IMO.
   > A Julian
   > A From: DeTomaso
   > A <[15]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   > A of marshall smith <[16]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
   > A Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:47 PM
   > A To: [17]jjdetrich at gmail.com; [18]cengles at cox.net; j R
   > A Cc: [19]mikeldrew at aol.com;
   > A [20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [21]fresnofinches at aol.com
   > A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 2019 POCA FUN RALLY
   > A DATES
   > A A
   > A We've
   > A done that for thirtysomething years. It's time for more
   > A than one rally per year and in more areas of the country!
   > A Marshall
   > A --------------------------------------------
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   > 3. [3]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   > 4. [4]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   > 5. [5]mailto:cengles at cox.net
   > 6. [6]mailto:cengles at cox.net
   > 7. [7]mailto:pantera351 at yahoo.com
   > 8. [8]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
   > 9. [9]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   > 10. [10]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   > 11. [11]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > 12. [12]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > 13. [13]mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
   > 14. [14]mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
   > 15. [15]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   > 16. [16]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
   > 17. [17]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   > 18. [18]mailto:cengles at cox.net
   > 19. [19]mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   > 20. [20]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > 21. [21]mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
   > 22. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   5. mailto:cengles at cox.net
   6. mailto:cengles at cox.net
   7. mailto:pantera351 at yahoo.com
   8. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
   9. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
  10. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
  11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  13. mailto:fresnofinches at aol.com
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  15. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  16. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
  17. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
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  19. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
  20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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