[DeTomaso] For Sale
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Fri Jun 8 13:34:29 EDT 2018
There is a Pantera on BAT as we speak getting good reviews and running up
quickly in price. I know nothing about it. It will be interesting to see
the process play out.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 07:59 Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> All good advice from Steve;
>
>
> BaT has a strong following, although as a personal gripe I do miss the old
> BaT journalistic barn find side that seems to have given way to a pure
> auction site. There's a lot of side banter comments on auctions by folks
> who often don't have clue what they are talking about and moreover no
> intention of bidding, but if you have thick skin and can get past that I think
> it's become one of the top venues. However like most auction sites BaT has
> no assurances and relies solely on the sellers description. From a buyer
> perspective your credit card is billed the 5% buyers fee a auction close
> and you consummate the deal and payment directly with the seller.
>
>
> As much as I hate the site and their philosophy I usually advocate for
> eBay, but as cars are free to list and $125 if it sells it's about the
> cheapest exposure to the widest audience. There's an awful lot that gets
> listed for that exposure as a dragnet and sells outside eBay or after the
> auction ends. Some would argue (mostly eBay) that dealing outside the
> site loses buyer protections, but in reality eBay policies are to protect
> eBay not the consumer. In any transaction these days and with the
> prevalence of scams both buyer and seller need to be very diligent and I
> personally take far more caution than I used to in the past.
>
>
> Hemmings I like for the online advertising, I would not bother with the
> print version if it's an extra cost but suspect it still comes free
> with a general online ad), they used to run online ads until sold.
>
>
> Personally I liken the major auction houses to Casino's, it's a roll of
> the dice and the house always wins (on both sides o the deal in this case)!
>
>
> Then there's Craigslist, that 's more like walking into the casino and
> dropping all your worldly possessions on the Roulette table on green!
>
>
> Julian
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:38 PM
> *To:* mark peterson
> *Cc:* List DeTomaso Forum
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] For Sale
>
> Mark,
>
> After buying cars off of Ebay, Hemmings, Craigslist, RaceCar Direct,
> RacDezrt and the Scottsdale car auctions, I personally have come to the
> conclusion that BAT is becoming the place to go to sell (or maybe even
> buy!) a good car. I have no direct experience yet buying or selling on
> BAT, but have friends who have done so and have watched with a silent
> addiction every morning. In contrast, the other "options" left me
> surprised
> in some important ways and in some cases paying premiums for that surprise
> when I ended up with the car.
>
> Of course, I could blame the glasses of wine before hitting "bid," but I
> have on occasional been quite rational, had PPI's done, spent the money on
> airfare to go look at a car, and walked away due to fairly obvious problems
> missed or underestimated by the inspector (and of course left unstated in
> the advert/listing). I now go so far as to request (and pay for)
> compression and leak down tests -- as I did recently on a Pantera that was
> for sale). But, I think that "unknown" on the "silent sale" sites keeps
> the price unfairly low for the exception -- the really good cars well known
> to an educated group.
>
> This forum can help solve the "unknown" if members are willing to talk
> *honestly* on BAT about the well-known Pantera's. For an uncommon car like
> a Pantera, known to a focused group of Pantera experts, I think BAT should
> work for a good car -- but clearly won't work for a Pantera with problems.
> This group would be all over it. However, it would not take long for
> people to get to know that a car listed on BAT that is favorably and
> frequently commented upon by experts is a "good" Pantera to buy.
>
> Anyway - just my thoughts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 312-320-5888
>
> <http://www.patentit.com>
>
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> East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
>
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> Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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>
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>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:48 PM, mark peterson via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> > After almost 20 yrs of ownership, I have come to the realization that my
> > ‘71 Pantera needs a better home.
> > With 47,572 miles on the odometer, the reason I’m looking to sell it is
> > that I don’t drive it.
> >
> > The car is no stranger to the members of POCA. Don Byars restored it, RBT
> > freshened the ZF and the
> > motor was professionally rebuilt. Heck, even Dave Adler defended it in
> > court during my divorce. The question for the group is--in addition to
> the
> > POCA website, is there a preferable site to advertise/sell a Pantera,
> such
> > as BaT, Hemmings, E-Bay, etc. or consignment? Thanks for the input.
> Mark
> > 1789
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There is a Pantera on BAT as we speak getting good reviews and running
up quickly in price.A I know nothing about it. It will be interesting
to see the process play out.
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.A
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct:A 312-320-5888
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P:A 312.752.4357A |A A F:A 312.896.5633A
|A A A:A 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
[1]www.PatentIt.com
This email is intended only for the recipient above, and may contain
confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in
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A A A
On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, 07:59 Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
All good advice from Steve;
BaT has a strong following, although as a personal gripeA I do miss the
old BaT journalistic barn find side that seems to have given way to a
pure auction site. There's a lot of side banter comments on
auctionsA by folks who often don't have clue what they are talking
about and moreover no intention of bidding, but if you have thick skin
and can get past that IA think it's become one of the top venues.
However like most auction sites BaT has no assurances and relies solely
on the sellers description. FromA aA buyer perspective your credit card
is billed the 5% buyers fee a auction close and you consummate the deal
and paymentA directly with the seller.
As much as I hate the siteA and their philosophyA I usually advocate
for eBay, but as cars are free to list and $125 if it sells it's about
the cheapest exposure to the widest audience. There's an awful lot that
gets listed for that exposure as a dragnet and sells outside eBay or
after the auction ends. Some wouldA argue (mostlyA eBay)A that dealing
outside the site loses buyer protections, but in reality eBay
policiesA are to protect eBay not the consumer. InA any transaction
these days and with the prevalenceA of scamsA both buyer and seller
need to be veryA diligent and I personallyA take far more caution than
I used to in the past.
Hemmings I like for the online advertising, I would notA bother with
the print version if it's an extra cost but suspect it still
comesA free withA a generalA online ad), they used to run
onlineA adsA until sold.
Personally I liken the major auction houses to Casino's, it's a roll of
the dice and the house always wins (on both sides o the deal in this
case)!
Then there's Craigslist, that 's more likeA walkingA into the casino
and droppingA all your worldlyA possessions on the Roulette table on
green!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:38 PM
To: mark peterson
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] For Sale
A
Mark,
After buying cars off of Ebay, Hemmings, Craigslist, RaceCar Direct,
RacDezrt and the Scottsdale car auctions, I personally have come to the
conclusion that BAT is becoming the place to go to sell (or maybe even
buy!) a good car.A I have no direct experience yet buying or selling
on
BAT, but have friends who have done so and have watched with a silent
addiction every morning.A In contrast, the other "options" left me
surprised
A in some important ways and in some cases paying premiums for that
surprise
when I ended up with the car.
Of course, I could blame the glasses of wine before hitting "bid," but
I
have on occasional been quite rational, had PPI's done, spent the money
on
airfare to go look at a car, and walked away due to fairly obvious
problems
missed or underestimated by the inspector (and of course left unstated
in
the advert/listing).A I now go so far as to request (and pay for)
compression and leak down tests -- as I did recently on a Pantera that
was
for sale).A But, I think that "unknown" on the "silent sale" sites
keeps
the price unfairly low for the exception -- the really good cars well
known
to an educated group.
This forum can help solve the "unknown" if members are willing to talk
*honestly* on BAT about the well-known Pantera's.A For an uncommon car
like
a Pantera, known to a focused group of Pantera experts, I think BAT
should
work for a good car -- but clearly won't work for a Pantera with
problems.
This group would be all over it.A However, it would not take long for
people to get to know that a car listed on BAT that is favorably and
frequently commented upon by experts is a "good" Pantera to buy.
Anyway - just my thoughts.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
<[5]http://www.patentit.com>
*Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656A |A *F:* 480.535.6628A |A
*A:* 7689
East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
*Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357A |A *F:* 312.896.5633A |A *A:*
55 E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
[6]www.PatentIt.com
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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:48 PM, mark peterson via DeTomaso <
[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> After almost 20 yrs of ownership, I have come to the realization that
my
> a71 Pantera needs a better home.
> With 47,572 miles on the odometer, the reason Iam looking to sell it
is
> that I donat drive it.
>
> The car is no stranger to the members of POCA. Don Byars restored it,
RBT
> freshened the ZF and the
> motor was professionally rebuilt. Heck, even Dave Adler defended it
in
> court during my divorce.A The question for the group is--in addition
to the
> POCA website, is there a preferable site to advertise/sell a Pantera,
such
> as BaT, Hemmings, E-Bay, etc. or consignment?A Thanks for the
input.A Mark
> 1789
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