[DeTomaso] For Sale

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Fri Jun 8 10:59:18 EDT 2018 

All good advice from Steve;


BaT has a strong following, although as a personal gripe I do miss the old BaT journalistic barn find side that seems to have given way to a pure auction site. There's a lot of side banter comments on auctions by folks who often don't have clue what they are talking about and moreover no intention of bidding, but if you have thick skin and can get past that I think it's become one of the top venues. However like most auction sites BaT has no assurances and relies solely on the sellers description. From a buyer perspective your credit card is billed the 5% buyers fee a auction close and you consummate the deal and payment directly with the seller.


As much as I hate the site and their philosophy I usually advocate for eBay, but as cars are free to list and $125 if it sells it's about the cheapest exposure to the widest audience. There's an awful lot that gets listed for that exposure as a dragnet and sells outside eBay or after the auction ends. Some would argue (mostly eBay) that dealing outside the site loses buyer protections, but in reality eBay policies are to protect eBay not the consumer. In any transaction these days and with the prevalence of scams both buyer and seller need to be very diligent and I personally take far more caution than I used to in the past.


Hemmings I like for the online advertising, I would not bother with the print version if it's an extra cost but suspect it still comes free with a general online ad), they used to run online ads until sold.


Personally I liken the major auction houses to Casino's, it's a roll of the dice and the house always wins (on both sides o the deal in this case)!


Then there's Craigslist, that 's more like walking into the casino and dropping all your worldly possessions on the Roulette table on green!


Julian

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:38 PM
To: mark peterson
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] For Sale

Mark,

After buying cars off of Ebay, Hemmings, Craigslist, RaceCar Direct,
RacDezrt and the Scottsdale car auctions, I personally have come to the
conclusion that BAT is becoming the place to go to sell (or maybe even
buy!) a good car.  I have no direct experience yet buying or selling on
BAT, but have friends who have done so and have watched with a silent
addiction every morning.  In contrast, the other "options" left me surprised
 in some important ways and in some cases paying premiums for that surprise
when I ended up with the car.

Of course, I could blame the glasses of wine before hitting "bid," but I
have on occasional been quite rational, had PPI's done, spent the money on
airfare to go look at a car, and walked away due to fairly obvious problems
missed or underestimated by the inspector (and of course left unstated in
the advert/listing).  I now go so far as to request (and pay for)
compression and leak down tests -- as I did recently on a Pantera that was
for sale).  But, I think that "unknown" on the "silent sale" sites keeps
the price unfairly low for the exception -- the really good cars well known
to an educated group.

This forum can help solve the "unknown" if members are willing to talk
*honestly* on BAT about the well-known Pantera's.  For an uncommon car like
a Pantera, known to a focused group of Pantera experts, I think BAT should
work for a good car -- but clearly won't work for a Pantera with problems.
This group would be all over it.  However, it would not take long for
people to get to know that a car listed on BAT that is favorably and
frequently commented upon by experts is a "good" Pantera to buy.

Anyway - just my thoughts.

Regards,

Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888

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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:48 PM, mark peterson via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

> After almost 20 yrs of ownership, I have come to the realization that my
> ‘71 Pantera needs a better home.
> With 47,572 miles on the odometer, the reason I’m looking to sell it is
> that I don’t drive it.
>
> The car is no stranger to the members of POCA. Don Byars restored it, RBT
> freshened the ZF and the
> motor was professionally rebuilt. Heck, even Dave Adler defended it in
> court during my divorce.  The question for the group is--in addition to the
> POCA website, is there a preferable site to advertise/sell a Pantera, such
> as BaT, Hemmings, E-Bay, etc. or consignment?  Thanks for the input.  Mark
> 1789
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   All good advice from Steve;

   BaT has a strong following, although as a personal gripe I do miss the
   old BaT journalistic barn find side that seems to have given way to a
   pure auction site. There's a lot of side banter comments on auctions by
   folks who often don't have clue what they are talking about and
   moreover no intention of bidding, but if you have thick skin and can
   get past that I think it's become one of the top venues. However like
   most auction sites BaT has no assurances and relies solely on the
   sellers description. From a buyer perspective your credit card is
   billed the 5% buyers fee a auction close and you consummate the deal
   and payment directly with the seller.

   As much as I hate the site and their philosophy I usually advocate for
   eBay, but as cars are free to list and $125 if it sells it's about the
   cheapest exposure to the widest audience. There's an awful lot that
   gets listed for that exposure as a dragnet and sells outside eBay or
   after the auction ends. Some would argue (mostly eBay) that dealing
   outside the site loses buyer protections, but in reality eBay
   policies are to protect eBay not the consumer. In any transaction these
   days and with the prevalence of scams both buyer and seller need to be
   very diligent and I personally take far more caution than I used to in
   the past.

   Hemmings I like for the online advertising, I would not bother with the
   print version if it's an extra cost but suspect it still comes free
   with a general online ad), they used to run online ads until sold.

   Personally I liken the major auction houses to Casino's, it's a roll of
   the dice and the house always wins (on both sides o the deal in this
   case)!

   Then there's Craigslist, that 's more like walking into the casino and
   dropping all your worldly possessions on the Roulette table on green!

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
   Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:38 PM
   To: mark peterson
   Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] For Sale

   Mark,
   After buying cars off of Ebay, Hemmings, Craigslist, RaceCar Direct,
   RacDezrt and the Scottsdale car auctions, I personally have come to the
   conclusion that BAT is becoming the place to go to sell (or maybe even
   buy!) a good car.  I have no direct experience yet buying or selling on
   BAT, but have friends who have done so and have watched with a silent
   addiction every morning.  In contrast, the other "options" left me
   surprised
    in some important ways and in some cases paying premiums for that
   surprise
   when I ended up with the car.
   Of course, I could blame the glasses of wine before hitting "bid," but
   I
   have on occasional been quite rational, had PPI's done, spent the money
   on
   airfare to go look at a car, and walked away due to fairly obvious
   problems
   missed or underestimated by the inspector (and of course left unstated
   in
   the advert/listing).  I now go so far as to request (and pay for)
   compression and leak down tests -- as I did recently on a Pantera that
   was
   for sale).  But, I think that "unknown" on the "silent sale" sites
   keeps
   the price unfairly low for the exception -- the really good cars well
   known
   to an educated group.
   This forum can help solve the "unknown" if members are willing to talk
   *honestly* on BAT about the well-known Pantera's.  For an uncommon car
   like
   a Pantera, known to a focused group of Pantera experts, I think BAT
   should
   work for a good car -- but clearly won't work for a Pantera with
   problems.
   This group would be all over it.  However, it would not take long for
   people to get to know that a car listed on BAT that is favorably and
   frequently commented upon by experts is a "good" Pantera to buy.
   Anyway - just my thoughts.
   Regards,
   Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
   Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
   Direct: 312-320-5888
   <[1]http://www.patentit.com>
   *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656  |  *F:* 480.535.6628  |  *A:*
   7689
   East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
   *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357  |  *F:* 312.896.5633  |  *A:* 55
   E.
   Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
   [2]www.PatentIt.com
   This email is intended only for the recipient above, and may contain
   confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in
   error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank
   you.
   On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:48 PM, mark peterson via DeTomaso <
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   > After almost 20 yrs of ownership, I have come to the realization that
   my
   > `71 Pantera needs a better home.
   > With 47,572 miles on the odometer, the reason I'm looking to sell it
   is
   > that I don't drive it.
   >
   > The car is no stranger to the members of POCA. Don Byars restored it,
   RBT
   > freshened the ZF and the
   > motor was professionally rebuilt. Heck, even Dave Adler defended it
   in
   > court during my divorce.  The question for the group is--in addition
   to the
   > POCA website, is there a preferable site to advertise/sell a Pantera,
   such
   > as BaT, Hemmings, E-Bay, etc. or consignment?  Thanks for the input.
   Mark
   > 1789
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