[DeTomaso] NPC: on this day

Pantdino pantdino at aol.com
Fri Feb 2 21:55:53 EST 2018


"America came very close to losing the war to the Germans, and then being Atom-bombed by the
Russians later."


That's a bit far fetched, I think.  If Germany had defeated the Soviet Union, they would have enslaved the populace and Russia would cease to exist as a military power.  




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, Feb 2, 2018 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day

One of my favorite authors is W.E.B. Griffin.  One of his latest books
   included the USA getting Von Braun and other Germans out of Germany
   before the Russians could grab them.  IMO, America came very close to
   losing the war to the Germans, and then being Atom-bombed by the
   Russians later.

   ---And, was Von Braun a Nazi in name only, or was he a true believer?

   ---Plus, I was reading one of Robert Kiyosaki's books, and he has
   convinced me of the control that the "super rich" have over the REAL
   power in the world.  The power and money behind the throne(s).
   Fascinating, and nothing that can be done about it.   ---BILL Lewis
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 11:33 PM
   To: Ken Green; Larry-Ohio Time Corp; 'DeTomaso Email List'
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day

   Nope.  We were ready to go into orbit in early 1957.  President
   Eisenhower "formally" told JPL to
   STAND-DOWN because JPL was working with Werner von Braun (V2) and the
   Army.  JPL launch vehicles
   (Juniter-C) and guidance was much more sophisticated.  Eisenhower did
   NOT want the world to think
   we were using space for military purposes. So, the contract to put the
   first US satellite into space was
   given to the Navy. Both Dr. Pickering (JPL) and Dr. Van Allen (UofIOWA)
   knew that the Navy Vanguard
   was not ready for prime-time, so kept working on the JPL launch vehicle
   and Van Allen science payload secretly.
   Their Intel was Correct:
   After Vanguard failed, Eisenhower called JPL. Pickering & von Braun
   said we could launch in 90 days.  Which we did.  ;-)
   OBTW - Explorer 1 was a real Science Payload.  Sputnik only beeped.
   Explorer 2-4 were also launched, shortly after 1.
   Discovering the Van Allen Radiation belt that protects us was a major
   discovery, winning Dr. Van Allen a Nobel prize.
   JPL was handed over to the newly formed NASA later in 1958, but funding
   continues to come thru Caltech today.
   Terry
 "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
  Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Reply-To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Date: Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM
   To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Larry-Ohio Time Corp
   <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, 'DeTomaso Email List'
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day
   My recollection is that the Russians beat the US because they already
   had bigger rockets for their heavy nuclear warheads, and the US had to
   develop new rockets to put a satellite in orbit.
   Ken
 ________________________________
   From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; 'DeTomaso Email
   List' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 1:29 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day
   Thanks Larry!!
   Yesterday JPL (and Caltech where NASA began) we had celebrations.  Some
   excellent DVD's have been produced
   which are probably on YouTube by now;
   Explorer 1
   Explorer and X minus 80 Days
   Dr. Henry L. Richter gave a story lecture yesterday about those days.
   He has a book out also "America's Leap Into Space"
   He had some great inside stories. The transceiver he developed is now
   in the Smithsonian.
   When they launched Explorer 1 there was no NASA then.  Just JPL and
   Caltech. The stories (1936-1958) leading up to that
   day are equaling fun to hear.  I give a history presentation (and
   movies) about those years.  I recently put some stuff on
   Facebook as well.  [2]https://www.facebook.com/terry.w.himes
   Also, some stuff on JPL website.
 [3]https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
   For anyone (Space Nets) in the Seattle area, I will be giving a talk
   about "How We Fly Deep Space Missions" at the Seattle Museum of Flight
   on March 10th.
   Fun Fun!
   Terry
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
 Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
  Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
 On 2/1/18, 9:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry-Ohio Time Corp"
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
   r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Larry at ohiotimecorp.com<mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>> wrote:
       On this day 60 years ago, America became the second country to send
   a
       human-made object into low-Earth orbit, with the successful launch
   of its
  first satellite - Explorer 1. The launch of Explorer 1 took place
   against
  the backdrop of the Cold War between the United States and its
   adversary,
  the Soviet Union, which had shocked the world by launching Sputnik
   1 into
  orbit in October of 1957.
       Larry (was a young pup) - Cleveland
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   "America came very close to losing the war to the Germans, and then
   being Atom-bombed by the
   Russians later."

   That's a bit far fetched, I think.  If Germany had defeated the Soviet
   Union, they would have enslaved the populace and Russia would cease to
   exist as a military power.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
   To: 'DeTomaso Email List' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Fri, Feb 2, 2018 2:12 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day
   One of my favorite authors is W.E.B. Griffin. One of his latest books
   included the USA getting Von Braun and other Germans out of Germany
   before the Russians could grab them. IMO, America came very close to
   losing the war to the Germans, and then being Atom-bombed by the
   Russians later.
   ---And, was Von Braun a Nazi in name only, or was he a true believer?
   ---Plus, I was reading one of Robert Kiyosaki's books, and he has
   convinced me of the control that the "super rich" have over the REAL
   power in the world. The power and money behind the throne(s).
   Fascinating, and nothing that can be done about it. ---BILL Lewis
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
   Himes, Terry (397C) <[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 11:33 PM
   To: Ken Green; Larry-Ohio Time Corp; 'DeTomaso Email List'
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day
   Nope. We were ready to go into orbit in early 1957. President
   Eisenhower "formally" told JPL to
   STAND-DOWN because JPL was working with Werner von Braun (V2) and the
   Army. JPL launch vehicles
   (Juniter-C) and guidance was much more sophisticated. Eisenhower did
   NOT want the world to think
   we were using space for military purposes. So, the contract to put the
   first US satellite into space was
   given to the Navy. Both Dr. Pickering (JPL) and Dr. Van Allen (UofIOWA)
   knew that the Navy Vanguard
   was not ready for prime-time, so kept working on the JPL launch vehicle
   and Van Allen science payload secretly.
   Their Intel was Correct:
   After Vanguard failed, Eisenhower called JPL. Pickering & von Braun
   said we could launch in 90 days. Which we did. ;-)
   OBTW - Explorer 1 was a real Science Payload. Sputnik only beeped.
   Explorer 2-4 were also launched, shortly after 1.
   Discovering the Van Allen Radiation belt that protects us was a major
   discovery, winning Dr. Van Allen a Nobel prize.
   JPL was handed over to the newly formed NASA later in 1958, but funding
   continues to come thru Caltech today.
   Terry
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[1][4]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   From: Ken Green <[5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Reply-To: Ken Green <[6]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Date: Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM
   To: Terry Himes <[7]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Larry-Ohio Time Corp
   <[8]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, 'DeTomaso Email List'
   <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day
   My recollection is that the Russians beat the US because they already
   had bigger rockets for their heavy nuclear warheads, and the US had to
   develop new rockets to put a satellite in orbit.
   Ken
   ________________________________
   From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[10]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <[11]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>; 'DeTomaso Email
   List' <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 1:29 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: on this day
   Thanks Larry!!
   Yesterday JPL (and Caltech where NASA began) we had celebrations. Some
   excellent DVD's have been produced
   which are probably on YouTube by now;
   Explorer 1
   Explorer and X minus 80 Days
   Dr. Henry L. Richter gave a story lecture yesterday about those days.
   He has a book out also "America's Leap Into Space"
   He had some great inside stories. The transceiver he developed is now
   in the Smithsonian.
   When they launched Explorer 1 there was no NASA then. Just JPL and
   Caltech. The stories (1936-1958) leading up to that
   day are equaling fun to hear. I give a history presentation (and
   movies) about those years. I recently put some stuff on
   Facebook as well. [2][13]https://www.facebook.com/terry.w.himes
   Also, some stuff on JPL website.
   [3][14]https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
   For anyone (Space Nets) in the Seattle area, I will be giving a talk
   about "How We Fly Deep Space Missions" at the Seattle Museum of Flight
   on March 10th.
   Fun Fun!
   Terry
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [15]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[4][16]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   On 2/1/18, 9:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry-Ohio Time Corp"
   <detomaso-[17]bounces at server.detomasolist.com<[18]mailto:detomaso-bounc
   es at serve
   r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   [19]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com<[20]mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>> wrote:
   On this day 60 years ago, America became the second country to send
   a
   human-made object into low-Earth orbit, with the successful launch
   of its
   first satellite - Explorer 1. The launch of Explorer 1 took place
   against
   the backdrop of the Cold War between the United States and its
   adversary,
   the Soviet Union, which had shocked the world by launching Sputnik
   1 into
   orbit in October of 1957.
   Larry (was a young pup) - Cleveland
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   4. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov?
   5. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
   6. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
   7. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
   8. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
   9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  10. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
  11. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
  12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  13. https://www.facebook.com/terry.w.himes
  14. https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
  15. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
  16. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov?
  17. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  18. mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve?
  19. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
  20. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com?
  21. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co?
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