[DeTomaso] Removable steering wheel options
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 12 22:54:04 EDT 2018
Options 2 and 4 really don't do much towards a quick release solution they are just hub adapters. Option 4 looks like the collapsible hub with typically 3 legs inside the sleeve that will collapse on chest impact, I would not use that in a racing application. These options still require you to find a hub adapter to wheel quick release and all move the steering wheel closer to the driver by varying amounts.
I recommend you get a quick release that is indexed, i.e. the wheel can only go on in one spot, or believe me you'll spend more time clocking it to correct in the pits than racing.
https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/the-best-quick-release-hubs/
The Pantera column is a Ford Capri Mk1 unit with 36 splines and IIRC 9/16" dia. (I can check the dia. on a spare I have) either way it is common size for old British cars and some more modern Mazda's I think. Which might open up your search options, although you'll probably be bombarded with Chinesium brands.
Julian
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Removable steering wheel options
Ok all, here are the quick release solutions that I was able (with your
help) to come up with:
1. Some of you who have generously offered to sell me your's, either
because you don't need them or don't want them. Thanks! Let me know
what you have and the price. Given that I found some other solutions,
only offer if you truly don't need it and are happy generating some cash
and clearing some space.
2. Crowders Customizing (http://www.crowderscustomizing.com) has a
complete in stock solution for about $380, not including the steering
wheel. I spoke to Jimmy Crowder who was super helpful.
1. I initially found their hub adaptor product on ebay here:
https://goo.gl/zWw8SJ. You can also buy the same adaptor on Crowders
website for $135.00, here https://goo.gl/5L8mzV. Jimmy Crowder said
he has them made in Italy and they are currently in stock.
2. They have steering wheel/hub adaptors 12 mm for $40 (here:
https://goo.gl/DmZ1v4) and a horn button adaptor fo $15 (here:
https://goo.gl/xfXior) if you want to hook up a quick release horn
and also move the wheel 1/2 inch closer (as I do for SN5533 now that the
seat is tilted back for more headroom)
3. For racing and high stress application, this hub adaptor requires
a better performance quick release then the standard NRG. Crowders has a
Swedish race proven snap out adaptor for $190, here:
https://goo.gl/7nTx7w You can also find out a little more about
it on ebay here: https://goo.gl/cXHP5M. Importantly, it is SFI
rated for racing and has no play at all. It moves the steering
wheel 1.1"
closer to the driver.
4. They have a wide variety of steering steering wheels on Crowders,
at a wide variety of pricing. It looks like there are some
decent "vintage
race" worthy wheels for $150.
5. So, the entire package from Crowders would move the steering wheel
1.5 inches closer to the driver, and if include a steering
wheel, is all in
for about $550.
3. I received a prompt and helpful reply from Becky at
PanteraPerformance.com and she said the following:
1. "Hi Steve, we sell a MOMO steering wheel with hub and quick
release assembly. The MOMO steering wheel costs $259.00 for the
MOMO Monte
Carlo type, and $375.00 for the MOMO Race type. the hub with
quick release
assembly costs $350.00. We do not keep them in stock and would need to
order them. Prices do not include freight. We can get the hub and quick
release and without talking with our guy, I think we could get
it to you by
Mid-May. Dennis wanted me to let you know that the hub and quick release
is not SFI approved, so if your race organization requires that, we would
not be able to help you by selling you what we offer. The steering
wheel releases when you push the "horn button""
2. All in for about $600 including the wheel. Becky suggested I
could probably save some money ordering the Momo wheel from online
discounters. But, all-in-all-- about the same price as Crowders and a
better steering wheel.
3. But because the quick release is *not* SFI approved, I am hesitant
to put it my race car.
4. I found this as well on ebay, for $89: https://goo.gl/Tf76Jn
1. Brand new steering wheel hub adapter suitable for DE TOMASO
PANTERA all versions, all years. This hub has multi pattern hole, fits on
Nardi, or Momo / Sparco steering wheels, 6 holes. It is brand new, comes
with all items necessary for mounting retainer horn button ring and 6
bolts.Total length 100 mm. The item is boxed. Shipping worldwide by
registered letter $15.00."
2. I made no effort to investigate this further, but it would appear
to allow fitment of the standard race quick release.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I am trying to avoid starting from scratch on a removable steering wheel
> for SN5533. We are near the end of our FIA GR3 race mods, and frankly the
> steering wheel is a pain the knees when crawling through the roll cage
> opening. Precision Performance doesn't make them anymore, apparently.
>
> Any other sources, or should I just fab up our own adaptor???
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 312-320-5888
>
> <http://www.patentit.com>
>
> *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:* 7689
> East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
>
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> Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
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Options 2 and 4 really don't do much towards a quick release solution
they are just hub adapters. Option 4 looks like the collapsible hub
with typically 3 legs inside the sleeve that will collapse on chest
impact, I would not use that in a racing application. These options
still require you to find a hub adapter to wheel quick release and all
move the steering wheel closer to the driver by varying amounts.
I recommend you get a quick release that is indexed, i.e. the wheel can
only go on in one spot, or believe me you'll spend more time clocking
it to correct in the pits than racing.
[1]https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/the-best-quick-release-hu
bs/
The Pantera column is a Ford Capri Mk1 unit with 36 splines and IIRC
9/16" dia. (I can check the dia. on a spare I have) either way it
is common size for old British cars and some more modern Mazda's I
think. Which might open up your search options, although you'll
probably be bombarded with Chinesium brands.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:52 PM
To: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Removable steering wheel options
Ok all, here are the quick release solutions that I was able (with your
help) to come up with:
1. Some of you who have generously offered to sell me your's, either
because you don't need them or don't want them. Thanks! Let me
know
what you have and the price. Given that I found some other
solutions,
only offer if you truly don't need it and are happy generating some
cash
and clearing some space.
2. Crowders Customizing ([2]http://www.crowderscustomizing.com) has
a
complete in stock solution for about $380, not including the
steering
wheel. I spoke to Jimmy Crowder who was super helpful.
1. I initially found their hub adaptor product on ebay here:
[3]https://goo.gl/zWw8SJ. You can also buy the same adaptor on
Crowders
website for $135.00, here [4]https://goo.gl/5L8mzV. Jimmy
Crowder said
he has them made in Italy and they are currently in stock.
2. They have steering wheel/hub adaptors 12 mm for $40 (here:
[5]https://goo.gl/DmZ1v4) and a horn button adaptor fo $15 (here:
[6]https://goo.gl/xfXior) if you want to hook up a quick release
horn
and also move the wheel 1/2 inch closer (as I do for SN5533 now
that the
seat is tilted back for more headroom)
3. For racing and high stress application, this hub adaptor
requires
a better performance quick release then the standard NRG.
Crowders has a
Swedish race proven snap out adaptor for $190, here:
[7]https://goo.gl/7nTx7w You can also find out a little more
about
it on ebay here: [8]https://goo.gl/cXHP5M. Importantly, it is
SFI
rated for racing and has no play at all. It moves the steering
wheel 1.1"
closer to the driver.
4. They have a wide variety of steering steering wheels on
Crowders,
at a wide variety of pricing. It looks like there are some
decent "vintage
race" worthy wheels for $150.
5. So, the entire package from Crowders would move the steering
wheel
1.5 inches closer to the driver, and if include a steering
wheel, is all in
for about $550.
3. I received a prompt and helpful reply from Becky at
PanteraPerformance.com and she said the following:
1. "Hi Steve, we sell a MOMO steering wheel with hub and quick
release assembly. The MOMO steering wheel costs $259.00 for the
MOMO Monte
Carlo type, and $375.00 for the MOMO Race type. the hub with
quick release
assembly costs $350.00. We do not keep them in stock and would
need to
order them. Prices do not include freight. We can get the hub
and quick
release and without talking with our guy, I think we could get
it to you by
Mid-May. Dennis wanted me to let you know that the hub and quick
release
is not SFI approved, so if your race organization requires that,
we would
not be able to help you by selling you what we offer. The
steering
wheel releases when you push the "horn button""
2. All in for about $600 including the wheel. Becky suggested I
could probably save some money ordering the Momo wheel from
online
discounters. But, all-in-all-- about the same price as Crowders
and a
better steering wheel.
3. But because the quick release is *not* SFI approved, I am
hesitant
to put it my race car.
4. I found this as well on ebay, for $89: [9]https://goo.gl/Tf76Jn
1. Brand new steering wheel hub adapter suitable for DE TOMASO
PANTERA all versions, all years. This hub has multi pattern hole,
fits on
Nardi, or Momo / Sparco steering wheels, 6 holes. It is brand
new, comes
with all items necessary for mounting retainer horn button ring
and 6
bolts.Total length 100 mm. The item is boxed. Shipping worldwide
by
registered letter $15.00."
2. I made no effort to investigate this further, but it would
appear
to allow fitment of the standard race quick release.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
<[10]http://www.patentit.com>
*Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:*
7689
East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
*Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:* 55
E.
Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
[11]www.PatentIt.com
This email is intended only for the recipient above, and may contain
confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in
error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank
you.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
> All,
>
> I am trying to avoid starting from scratch on a removable steering
wheel
> for SN5533. We are near the end of our FIA GR3 race mods, and
frankly the
> steering wheel is a pain the knees when crawling through the roll
cage
> opening. Precision Performance doesn't make them anymore, apparently.
>
> Any other sources, or should I just fab up our own adaptor???
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> Direct: 312-320-5888
>
> <[12]http://www.patentit.com>
>
> *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 |
*A:* 7689
> East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
>
> *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:*
55 E.
> Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
> [13]www.PatentIt.com
>
> This email is intended only for the recipient above, and may contain
> confidential and privileged information. If you received this email
in
> error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me.
Thank you.
>
>
References
1. https://www.windingroad.com/articles/blogs/the-best-quick-release-hubs/
2. http://www.crowderscustomizing.com/
3. https://goo.gl/zWw8SJ
4. https://goo.gl/5L8mzV
5. https://goo.gl/DmZ1v4
6. https://goo.gl/xfXior
7. https://goo.gl/7nTx7w
8. https://goo.gl/cXHP5M
9. https://goo.gl/Tf76Jn
10. http://www.patentit.com/
11. http://www.PatentIt.com/
12. http://www.patentit.com/
13. http://www.PatentIt.com/
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