[DeTomaso] A-arm bushings...should they require machining?

cengles at cox.net cengles at cox.net
Fri Sep 22 11:05:13 EDT 2017


Dear Julian,

                Ack!   I wasn't paying attention.  I thought the 
bushings were polyurethane rather than rubber.  From what little I know, 
I agree with your recommendation to custom modify them for proper 
fitment.

                             Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles



On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Julian Kift wrote:

  Chuck,

I think the difference here is oem rubber style bushings designed to be 
a press fit vs. aftermarket poly bushings. We recently had a long 
discussion on the merits of each, so won't rehash that, but I'm aligned 
with Joseph's thinking that 0.003" would be  the expected interference 
fit for a bushing of this size. At 0.008" over, I'd probably turn them 
down or failing access to a lathe at least spin them up on a sander to 
lose some of that oversize.

If I recall correctly there is a very slight splay on the A-arms to 
effect starting the press fit.

Julian
___________________________________

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of 
Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:11 PM
To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A-arm bushings...should they require machining?
Dear Joe,

                     I  don't know.

                     I do know that twenty odd years ago when I 
converted
both Panteras to polyurethane bushings from Pantera Performance Center, 
they
went in with just finger/hand pressure.  No press needed.   Obviously, 
they
must have been smaller than yours and I don't understand why there is 
such a
great difference.

                                       Puzzled,  Chuck Engles


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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:32 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] A-arm bushings...should they require machining?

I have removed the bushings from the front A-Arms and have found their 
ODs
to be a consistent 1.184".   the A-arm bore IDs varied slightly around
1.181".   this makes sense as the IDs would be 30mm with the bushings
oversized for MY expected press fit of ~ 0.003".



NOW, the new bushing ODs vary around 1.189".   to ME, that is way too 
much
press and could plastic yield the A-arm bores.



Is it expected to machine the new bushing ODs?  (Pretty common practice 
for
new parts to be oversized for field fitting  in the machines I use to 
work
to allow for possible damage/wear.)

OR

Throw away the micrometers and get a bigger press?





Joe/5177

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   Dear Julian,

                  Ack!   I wasn't paying attention.  I thought the
   bushings were polyurethane rather than rubber.  From what little I
   know, I agree with your recommendation to custom modify them for proper
   fitment.

                               Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles



   On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Julian Kift wrote:

    Chuck,

   I think the difference here is oem rubber style bushings designed to be
   a press fit vs. aftermarket poly bushings. We recently had a long
   discussion on the merits of each, so won't rehash that, but I'm aligned
   with Joseph's thinking that 0.003" would be  the expected interference
   fit for a bushing of this size. At 0.008" over, I'd probably turn them
   down or failing access to a lathe at least spin them up on a sander to
   lose some of that oversize.

   If I recall correctly there is a very slight splay on the A-arms to
   effect starting the press fit.

   Julian

   ___________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>

   Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:11 PM

   To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A-arm bushings...should they require machining?


   Dear Joe,

                       I  don't know.

                       I do know that twenty odd years ago when I
   converted

   both Panteras to polyurethane bushings from Pantera Performance Center,
   they

   went in with just finger/hand pressure.  No press needed.   Obviously,
   they

   must have been smaller than yours and I don't understand why there is
   such a

   great difference.

                                         Puzzled,  Chuck Engles

   -----Original Message-----

   From: DeTomaso [ [1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf

   Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.

   Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:32 PM

   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

   Subject: [DeTomaso] A-arm bushings...should they require machining?

   I have removed the bushings from the front A-Arms and have found their
   ODs

   to be a consistent 1.184".   the A-arm bore IDs varied slightly around

   1.181".   this makes sense as the IDs would be 30mm with the bushings

   oversized for MY expected press fit of ~ 0.003".



   NOW, the new bushing ODs vary around 1.189".   to ME, that is way too
   much

   press and could plastic yield the A-arm bores.



   Is it expected to machine the new bushing ODs?  (Pretty common practice
   for

   new parts to be oversized for field fitting  in the machines I use to
   work

   to allow for possible damage/wear.)

   OR

   Throw away the micrometers and get a bigger press?





   Joe/5177

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