[DeTomaso] SS ZF linkage turnbuckle???
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Mon May 22 15:07:04 EDT 2017
Since those shifter u-joints also fit the Pantera steering shaft, all this is important reading if you use Flaming River u-joints up front!!
J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
To: cengles <cengles at cox.net>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; fresnofinches <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Mon, May 22, 2017 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] SS ZF linkage turnbuckle???
Chuck,
...........interesting! Well, you've done everything right on the install and assembly.......
I've never had the ones I installed loosen up. Maybe its my "gorilla" tightening technique !! :-)
Best regards,
Leslie A. Gray
> On May 22, 2017, at 11:28 AM, "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Les,
>
>
> I *think* that mine are well drilled. If I drill them anymore, then I might as well go to the nuclear deterrent of drilling completely through and having the FR unit and shift rod tapped.
>
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> PS: I used BLUE Loctite every time I faced the FR gremlins.
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:56 AM, L GRAY wrote:
>>
>> Mr. Chuck,
>> I've had some experience with these replacement shift rod joints and I've noted a major improvement in shifting. You will only notice the difference from stock units if you original joints were not articulating smoothly ( most of the originals by mow have issues where the can no longer move through their full range of motion ).
>> The second issue of the set screws loosening, as stated previously, you MUST drill a deep enough recess where the set screw registers and then put a "dab" of BLUE Loc-Tite, then tighten the set screw appropriately. Let it set for a few hours and your all set!!!
>>
>> Leslie A. Gray
>>
>>> On May 22, 2017, at 8:25 AM, "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Julian,
>>>
>>> You wrote:
>>>
>>> " I have heard the same comments regarding the set screw on the
>>> Flaming river u-joints, I do prefer the through bolt design, which the
>>> rods with the flat on the Pantera are designed for. I suspect you
>>> really need to drill and tap for a larger and longer set screw on the
>>> FR joints."
>>>
>>> You are exactly correct.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have had good success with Midwest Control Products, they carry
>>> large jackscrews for the adjustable camber bar. That said the
>>> combination of stainless and large metric size probably make the rod
>>> turnbuckle a rarity.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> It would not be a hard item for a local fab shop to make, a piece of
>>> thick wall ss tubing with a couple flats machined in for a wrench and
>>> female threads on each end. The cheaper version is weld two nuts onto a
>>> piece of internal oversize stainless tubing.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I have heard the same comments regarding the set screw on the Flaming
>>> river u-joints, I do prefer the through bolt design, which the rods
>>> with the flat on the Pantera are designed for. I suspect you really
>>> need to drill and tap for a larger and longer set screw on the FR
>>> joints.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>>> of Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 10:08 PM
>>>
>>>> To: Email List Address For Posting
>>>
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] SS ZF linkage turnbuckle???
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a source for a stainless steel turnbuckle and
>>> adjusting nuts for the ZF shift linkage?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I am upgrading to the stainless steel flaming river u-joints and
>>> thought a stainless turnbuckle would be a good match.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I have searched for turnbuckle, screwjack, tie rod adjusting sleeve.
>>> I have searched at McMaster Carr, aircraft Spruce, multiple suspension
>>> websites, multiple Heim joint sites and I come up with nothing.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Thread size is M14x1.5 LH/RH female threads
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone got anything?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>>
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Since those shifter u-joints also fit the Pantera steering shaft, all
this is important reading if you use Flaming River u-joints up front!!
J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com>
To: cengles <cengles at cox.net>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; fresnofinches
<fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Mon, May 22, 2017 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] SS ZF linkage turnbuckle???
Chuck,
...........interesting! Well, you've done everything right on the
install and assembly.......
I've never had the ones I installed loosen up. Maybe its my "gorilla"
tightening technique !! :-)
Best regards,
Leslie A. Gray
> On May 22, 2017, at 11:28 AM, "[1]cengles at cox.net"
<[2]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Les,
>
>
> I *think* that mine are well drilled. If I drill them anymore, then I
might as well go to the nuclear deterrent of drilling completely
through and having the FR unit and shift rod tapped.
>
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> PS: I used BLUE Loctite every time I faced the FR gremlins.
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:56 AM, L GRAY wrote:
>>
>> Mr. Chuck,
>> I've had some experience with these replacement shift rod joints and
I've noted a major improvement in shifting. You will only notice the
difference from stock units if you original joints were not
articulating smoothly ( most of the originals by mow have issues where
the can no longer move through their full range of motion ).
>> The second issue of the set screws loosening, as stated previously,
you MUST drill a deep enough recess where the set screw registers and
then put a "dab" of BLUE Loc-Tite, then tighten the set screw
appropriately. Let it set for a few hours and your all set!!!
>>
>> Leslie A. Gray
>>
>>> On May 22, 2017, at 8:25 AM, "[3]cengles at cox.net"
<[4]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Julian,
>>>
>>> You wrote:
>>>
>>> " I have heard the same comments regarding the set screw on the
>>> Flaming river u-joints, I do prefer the through bolt design, which
the
>>> rods with the flat on the Pantera are designed for. I suspect you
>>> really need to drill and tap for a larger and longer set screw on
the
>>> FR joints."
>>>
>>> You are exactly correct.
>>>
>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have had good success with Midwest Control Products, they carry
>>> large jackscrews for the adjustable camber bar. That said the
>>> combination of stainless and large metric size probably make the
rod
>>> turnbuckle a rarity.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> It would not be a hard item for a local fab shop to make, a piece
of
>>> thick wall ss tubing with a couple flats machined in for a wrench
and
>>> female threads on each end. The cheaper version is weld two nuts
onto a
>>> piece of internal oversize stainless tubing.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I have heard the same comments regarding the set screw on the
Flaming
>>> river u-joints, I do prefer the through bolt design, which the rods
>>> with the flat on the Pantera are designed for. I suspect you really
>>> need to drill and tap for a larger and longer set screw on the FR
>>> joints.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[5]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
>>> of Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 10:08 PM
>>>
>>>> To: Email List Address For Posting
>>>
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] SS ZF linkage turnbuckle???
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a source for a stainless steel turnbuckle and
>>> adjusting nuts for the ZF shift linkage?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I am upgrading to the stainless steel flaming river u-joints and
>>> thought a stainless turnbuckle would be a good match.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I have searched for turnbuckle, screwjack, tie rod adjusting
sleeve.
>>> I have searched at McMaster Carr, aircraft Spruce, multiple
suspension
>>> websites, multiple Heim joint sites and I come up with nothing.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Thread size is M14x1.5 LH/RH female threads
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone got anything?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
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