[DeTomaso] Prototype for sale. Again?
michael frazier
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Tue Mar 14 22:43:47 EDT 2017
The connection to Renault was probably very weak at best…possibly not even commissioned by them.
I saw only the one reference to it before it disappeared. The DeTomaso lifespan was much longer.
It has all the styling cues of the A310, especially the nose. It has no real Pantera resemblance at all.
Michael
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Prototype for sale. Again?
I googled the Alpine and found a car that may loosely resemble the one in
the photos but is surely not it.
On Mar 14, 2017 5:03 PM, "Roland" <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> Michael is absolutely right.
>
> It was the prototype for a Renault Alpine. Renault refused it and the
> old man picked it to show something that will drive Kjell Qvale crazy.
> Later on it was used to show investors from russia, that the old
> company is still working.
>
> Roland Jaeckel
>
> Am 14.03.2017 um 21:08 schrieb michael frazier:
>
> I've been looking hard for an article about this car when it first
> showed up. It wasn't even a DeTomaso
>
> prototype. It was a design prototype for a new Renault Alpine A310
> which died moments later. I don't
>
> remember how long it was, but it then shows up as a new Pantera
> design. I think the old man just picked
>
> it up and ran with it. Google Renault Alpine A310 and you'll see what
> I'm talking about. Still hunting the
>
> original article.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
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> Cc: [[3]5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Prototype for sale. Again?
>
>
> A recent article in a Euro magazine shows the original fiberglas mold
> still at what's left of the Modena factory, and two complete bodies
> pulled from the mold but not finished. The 'unveiled' 2000 prototype
> was a push-mobile shell with rudimentary wheel attachments and no
> engine, trans nor interior. Never saw anything about what engine/trans
> was planned. The old man could have been planning yet another surprise
> for the world.....
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> To: Rob Dumoulin [5]<rob at dumoulins.net>
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> Sent: Tue, Mar 14, 2017 10:48 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Prototype for sale. Again?
> I would argue its not the exact same car shown in the unveiling. Note
> the absence of side-view mirrors on the doors, and how the original had
> them and appeared to be mechanically hinged at the front. The recent
> photos don't show any provisions for a mechanical connection of
> mirrors. The parting lines between some panels look tight in the
> modern photos versus more space on the unveiled version. It also
> appears a corner light was installed (passenger side front) but the
> modern photo shows a solid piece of bodywork.
> Was there more than one of the bodies made? I'm probably just being
> too critical.
> Asa
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> Rob Dumoulin [7]<rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> Aljandro show in pics at the end. Sad.
> [6][8]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://
> www.hemmings.com/c<http://www.hemmings.com/c>
> las
> sifieds/dealer/detomaso/pantera/1926814.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTc4MjE1M
> TcwNTA0ODIwMTM5NTQyGjg4MWVlMWNjYTQ4NGU2NDA6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGNA11
> AJycI2plAbt83k9AAc25emw
> Aljandro show in pics at the end. Sad.
> [1][9]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://
> www.hemmings.com/c<http://www.hemmings.com/c>
> lassifieds/dealer/detomaso/pantera/1926814.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTc4Mj
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> A11AJycI2plAbt83k9AAc25emw
> References
> 1.
> [7][10]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://
> www.hemmings.com/c<http://www.hemmings.com/c>
> las
> sifieds/dealer/detomaso/pantera/1926814.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTc4MjE1M
> TcwNTA0ODIwMTM5NTQyGjg4MWVlMWNjYTQ4NGU2NDA6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGNA11
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The connection to Renault was probably very weak at best...possibly not
even commissioned by them.
I saw only the one reference to it before it disappeared. The DeTomaso
lifespan was much longer.
It has all the styling cues of the A310, especially the nose. It has
no real Pantera resemblance at all.
Michael
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
From: [2]Rob Dumoulin
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:27 PM
To: [3]Roland
Cc: [4]P - Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Prototype for sale. Again?
I googled the Alpine and found a car that may loosely resemble the one
in
the photos but is surely not it.
On Mar 14, 2017 5:03 PM, "Roland" <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> Michael is absolutely right.
>
> It was the prototype for a Renault Alpine. Renault refused it and
the
> old man picked it to show something that will drive Kjell Qvale
crazy.
> Later on it was used to show investors from russia, that the old
> company is still working.
>
> Roland Jaeckel
>
> Am 14.03.2017 um 21:08 schrieb michael frazier:
>
> I've been looking hard for an article about this car when it first
> showed up. It wasn't even a DeTomaso
>
> prototype. It was a design prototype for a new Renault Alpine
A310
> which died moments later. I don't
>
> remember how long it was, but it then shows up as a new Pantera
> design. I think the old man just picked
>
> it up and ran with it. Google Renault Alpine A310 and you'll see
what
> I'm talking about. Still hunting the
>
> original article.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
>
>
> From: [2]Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:55 PM
> To: [[1]3]asajay at asajay.com; [[2]4]rob at dumoulins.net
> Cc: [[3]5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Prototype for sale. Again?
>
>
> A recent article in a Euro magazine shows the original fiberglas
mold
> still at what's left of the Modena factory, and two complete
bodies
> pulled from the mold but not finished. The 'unveiled' 2000
prototype
> was a push-mobile shell with rudimentary wheel attachments and no
> engine, trans nor interior. Never saw anything about what
engine/trans
> was planned. The old man could have been planning yet another
surprise
> for the world.....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Asa Jay Laughton [4]<asajay at asajay.com>
> To: Rob Dumoulin [5]<rob at dumoulins.net>
> Cc: P - Mail List [6]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 14, 2017 10:48 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Prototype for sale. Again?
> I would argue its not the exact same car shown in the unveiling.
Note
> the absence of side-view mirrors on the doors, and how the
original had
> them and appeared to be mechanically hinged at the front. The
recent
> photos don't show any provisions for a mechanical connection of
> mirrors. The parting lines between some panels look tight in the
> modern photos versus more space on the unveiled version. It also
> appears a corner light was installed (passenger side front) but
the
> modern photo shows a solid piece of bodywork.
> Was there more than one of the bodies made? I'm probably just
being
> too critical.
> Asa
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> Rob Dumoulin [7]<rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> Aljandro show in pics at the end. Sad.
> [6][8]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://
> [5]www.hemmings.com/c
> las
>
sifieds/dealer/detomaso/pantera/1926814.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTc4MjE1M
>
TcwNTA0ODIwMTM5NTQyGjg4MWVlMWNjYTQ4NGU2NDA6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGNA11
> AJycI2plAbt83k9AAc25emw
> Aljandro show in pics at the end. Sad.
> [1][9]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://
> [6]www.hemmings.com/c
>
lassifieds/dealer/detomaso/pantera/1926814.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTc4Mj
>
E1MTcwNTA0ODIwMTM5NTQyGjg4MWVlMWNjYTQ4NGU2NDA6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGN
> A11AJycI2plAbt83k9AAc25emw
> References
> 1.
> [7][10]https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://
> [7]www.hemmings.com/c
> las
>
sifieds/dealer/detomaso/pantera/1926814.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTc4MjE1M
>
TcwNTA0ODIwMTM5NTQyGjg4MWVlMWNjYTQ4NGU2NDA6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNGNA11
> AJycI2plAbt83k9AAc25emw
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> [8]www.hemmings.com/cla
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