[DeTomaso] What? Asa sold his Pantera?
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Wed Mar 1 12:49:30 EST 2017
Asa Jay,
No apologies needed, I just always got the impression you were one of those guys that would be buried in his Pantera, that said I am aware that you and Shelley have faced some mountainous battles and medical bills and often needs must. I equally always have respect and admiration for the way you face life's challenges head on, taking it on the chin with a gracious smile (almost a smirk!) to say "is that all you have"!
The Mustang is a worthy successor for attention from your skills.... and your continued participation in the De Tomaso community is a welcome one.
Julian
________________________________
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 9:24 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Steve Lisa; Himes, Terry (397C) ; List DeTomaso Forum; The DeTomaso Registry Guy
Subject: What? Asa sold his Pantera?
All,
I stand corrected.
A thorough search of the current DeTomaso email forum archives reveals that my "end of ownership" email was NOT posted to this list. My sincere apologies to everyone, especially Julian who I have great respect for.
I posted it on May 18, 2016 to the Team Pantera Racing email forum here:
http://teampanteraracing.com/pipermail/tpr_teampanteraracing.com/2016-May/004029.html
As I recall I also sent it to the DeTomaso email forum. However, a check of the archives reveals an email from me on the 18th that indicates I was unsubscribed for a time and had to be reminded by Kurt to re-enable my subscription. I imagine at this point my email was lost.
Those who are interested in the details can read all about it at the link above.
I'd like to give credit to Mike Drew, who in a large way brokered the purchase nearly 20 years ago, or at least brought this particular Pantera to the light of day. And to Jack DeRyke who hosted me during the inspection and helped me inspect the car. You can read the entire story in a 2001 edition of POCA Profiles (I forget specifically which one.)
So, yes, it's true. Now I'm concentrating on my 1971 Mach I Mustang.
My apologies Julian, you were correct; I failed to inform the masses.
Asa Jay
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Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Then my apologies, I must have either missed that post or discarded it as just more 'fake news'.....
________________________________
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:57 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Steve Lisa; Himes, Terry (397C); List DeTomaso Forum; The DeTomaso Registry Guy
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
No I didn't!
<Insert look of incredulity>
Check the archives from last.... Oh probably June. (I would, but I'm mobile at the moment.)
Really, I did announce it, and so far Steve is doing some awesome "next level mod" work on 5533.
My efforts are now going into my 1971 Mach I Mustang (that I've owned for 30 years).
:)
Asa Jay
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Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Uh wait, I think Asa Jay conveniently forgot to mention he sold his Pantera!
Welcome to the Pantera Community Steve.
Julian
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From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:37 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: Julian Kift; The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
For those that don't know, I purchased Asa Jay's Pantera last year. Currently being built into a vintage FIA GR3 racer.... I should have introduced myself properly.
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com<mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com>> wrote:
Isn't there is an option to ask the seller questions, and the questions I believe are visible. Perhaps a few well placed questions????
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
eBay does protect you from scams. I have gotten my money back before
from bad sellers before, without hassle.
Your mileage may vary.
I like the registry and the fact that everyone is so engaged. Warm
fuzzes.
But I'm not sure someone new to the Pantera world knows who to contact.
I know I certainly didn't in 2000. I was clueless.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
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From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:14 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[4]detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>, List
DeTomaso Forum <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
God forbid but I wonder what happens if eBay choose to let this run its
course and someone gets burned, given they have been notified of
potential scam?
The seller is supposedly located in Tewksbury, MA and the car
advertised as in San Francisco, although someone else was told the car
is in Michigan.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of Julian Kift <[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:06 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Seller says this is chassis# 4277, which is not in the registry to
verify, but certainly photos are of 4275.
Julian
________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:35 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
eBay may be reluctant to immediately kill it as no VIN is listed to
verify the actual vehicle for sale. Albeit underhanded sellers will
often use generic photos to represent items for sale.
Also the seller has a 74 feedback, normally these scam artists have
single digit feedback for a few low dollar purchases to build some
credibility, maybe it is a hacked account too.
Julian
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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:25 PM
To: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Steve L. spotted this eBay auction
[11]http://www.ebay.com/itm/112316750098
and asked me about it. Auction looks suspicious to us both.
Finding the car in the registry, I contacted the last known owner to
verify,
as he recently bought it in December. He says the advert is not his,
and the car is not for sale.
Some people are bidding. Ebay has been contacted about the scam, but
have not yet killed the auction.
Hopefully anyone bidding is smart enough to use the registry, and learn
the truth, and protect themselves.
Hate to have anyone scammed.
So I am posting this, for anyone not yet connected to the registry.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
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Uh wait, I think Asa Jay conveniently forgot to mention he sold his
Pantera!
Welcome to the Pantera Community Steve.
Julian
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From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:37 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: Julian Kift; The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
For those that don't know, I purchased Asa Jay's Pantera last year.
Currently being built into a vintage FIA GR3 racer.... I should have
introduced myself properly.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Steve Lisa <[3]stevelisa at patentit.com>
wrote:
Isn't there is an option to ask the seller questions, and the questions
I believe are visible. Perhaps a few well placed questions????
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: [4]312-320-5888
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Please note our new Scottsdale address. Our phone and fax numbers
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| A: 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[11]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
eBay does protect you from scams. I have gotten my money back
before
from bad sellers before, without hassle.
Your mileage may vary.
I like the registry and the fact that everyone is so engaged. Warm
fuzzes.
But I'm not sure someone new to the Pantera world knows who to
contact.
I know I certainly didn't in 2000. I was clueless.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: [12](818) 393-6261
Cell: [13](818) 653-8213
Fax: [14](818) 393-3147
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From: DeTomaso <[2][16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Julian Kift <[3][17]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:14 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[4][18]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>,
List
DeTomaso Forum <[5][19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
God forbid but I wonder what happens if eBay choose to let this run
its
course and someone gets burned, given they have been notified of
potential scam?
The seller is supposedly located in Tewksbury, MA and the car
advertised as in San Francisco, although someone else was told the
car
is in Michigan.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[6][20]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Julian Kift <[7][21]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:06 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Seller says this is chassis# 4277, which is not in the registry to
verify, but certainly photos are of 4275.
Julian
________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[8][22]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:35 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
eBay may be reluctant to immediately kill it as no VIN is listed to
verify the actual vehicle for sale. Albeit underhanded sellers will
often use generic photos to represent items for sale.
Also the seller has a 74 feedback, normally these scam artists have
single digit feedback for a few low dollar purchases to build some
credibility, maybe it is a hacked account too.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[9][23]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[10][24]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:25 PM
To: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Steve L. spotted this eBay auction
[11][25]http://www.ebay.com/itm/112316750098
and asked me about it. Auction looks suspicious to us both.
Finding the car in the registry, I contacted the last known owner to
verify,
as he recently bought it in December. He says the advert is not
his,
and the car is not for sale.
Some people are bidding. Ebay has been contacted about the scam,
but
have not yet killed the auction.
Hopefully anyone bidding is smart enough to use the registry, and
learn
the truth, and protect themselves.
Hate to have anyone scammed.
So I am posting this, for anyone not yet connected to the registry.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
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Asa Jay,
No apologies needed, I just always got the impression you were one of
those guys that would be buried in his Pantera, that said I am aware
that you and Shelley have faced some mountainous battles and medical
bills and often needs must. I equally always have respect and
admiration for the way you face life's challenges head on, taking it on
the chin with a gracious smile (almost a smirk!) to say "is that all
you have"!
The Mustang is a worthy successor for attention from your skills....
and your continued participation in the De Tomaso community is a
welcome one.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 9:24 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Steve Lisa; Himes, Terry (397C) ; List DeTomaso Forum; The DeTomaso
Registry Guy
Subject: What? Asa sold his Pantera?
All,
I stand corrected.
A thorough search of the current DeTomaso email forum archives reveals
that my "end of ownership" email was NOT posted to this list. My
sincere apologies to everyone, especially Julian who I have great
respect for.
I posted it on May 18, 2016 to the Team Pantera Racing email forum
here:
[1]http://teampanteraracing.com/pipermail/tpr_teampanteraracing.com/201
6-May/004029.html
As I recall I also sent it to the DeTomaso email forum. However, a
check of the archives reveals an email from me on the 18th that
indicates I was unsubscribed for a time and had to be reminded by Kurt
to re-enable my subscription. I imagine at this point my email was
lost.
Those who are interested in the details can read all about it at the
link above.
I'd like to give credit to Mike Drew, who in a large way brokered the
purchase nearly 20 years ago, or at least brought this particular
Pantera to the light of day. And to Jack DeRyke who hosted me during
the inspection and helped me inspect the car. You can read the entire
story in a 2001 edition of POCA Profiles (I forget specifically which
one.)
So, yes, it's true. Now I'm concentrating on my 1971 Mach I Mustang.
My apologies Julian, you were correct; I failed to inform the masses.
Asa Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Then my apologies, I must have either missed that post or discarded it
as just more 'fake news'.....
__________________________________________________________________
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:57 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Steve Lisa; Himes, Terry (397C); List DeTomaso Forum; The DeTomaso
Registry Guy
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
No I didn't!
<Insert look of incredulity>
Check the archives from last.... Oh probably June. (I would, but I'm
mobile at the moment.)
Really, I did announce it, and so far Steve is doing some awesome "next
level mod" work on 5533.
My efforts are now going into my 1971 Mach I Mustang (that I've owned
for 30 years).
:)
Asa Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Uh wait, I think Asa Jay conveniently forgot to mention he sold his
Pantera!
Welcome to the Pantera Community Steve.
Julian
________________________________
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:37 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: Julian Kift; The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
For those that don't know, I purchased Asa Jay's Pantera last year.
Currently being built into a vintage FIA GR3 racer.... I should have
introduced myself properly.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
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Isn't there is an option to ask the seller questions, and the questions
I believe are visible. Perhaps a few well placed questions????
Regards,
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:
eBay does protect you from scams. I have gotten my money back
before
from bad sellers before, without hassle.
Your mileage may vary.
I like the registry and the fact that everyone is so engaged. Warm
fuzzes.
But I'm not sure someone new to the Pantera world knows who to
contact.
I know I certainly didn't in 2000. I was clueless.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261<tel:%28818%29%20393-6261>
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[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
From: DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at se
rver.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of Julian Kift
<[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:14 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[4]detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>,
List
DeTomaso Forum
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolis
t.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
God forbid but I wonder what happens if eBay choose to let this run
its
course and someone gets burned, given they have been notified of
potential scam?
The seller is supposedly located in Tewksbury, MA and the car
advertised as in San Francisco, although someone else was told the
car
is in Michigan.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso
<[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at se
rver.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of Julian Kift
<[7]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:06 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Seller says this is chassis# 4277, which is not in the registry to
verify, but certainly photos are of 4275.
Julian
________________________________
From: Julian Kift
<[8]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:35 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
eBay may be reluctant to immediately kill it as no VIN is listed to
verify the actual vehicle for sale. Albeit underhanded sellers will
often use generic photos to represent items for sale.
Also the seller has a 74 feedback, normally these scam artists have
single digit feedback for a few low dollar purchases to build some
credibility, maybe it is a hacked account too.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso
<[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at se
rver.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
of The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[10]detomasoregistry at gmail.com<mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:25 PM
To: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Steve L. spotted this eBay auction
[11]http://www.ebay.com/itm/112316750098
and asked me about it. Auction looks suspicious to us both.
Finding the car in the registry, I contacted the last known owner to
verify,
as he recently bought it in December. He says the advert is not
his,
and the car is not for sale.
Some people are bidding. Ebay has been contacted about the scam,
but
have not yet killed the auction.
Hopefully anyone bidding is smart enough to use the registry, and
learn
the truth, and protect themselves.
Hate to have anyone scammed.
So I am posting this, for anyone not yet connected to the registry.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
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Uh wait, I think Asa Jay conveniently forgot to mention he sold his
Pantera!
Welcome to the Pantera Community Steve.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:37 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: Julian Kift; The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
For those that don't know, I purchased Asa Jay's Pantera last year.
Currently being built into a vintage FIA GR3 racer.... I should have
introduced myself properly.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 312-320-5888
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wrote:
Isn't there is an option to ask the seller questions, and the
questions
I believe are visible. Perhaps a few well placed questions????
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: [4]312-320-5888
[5][SGL-Email-Logo.jpg]
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| A: 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
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On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[11]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
eBay does protect you from scams. I have gotten my money back
before
from bad sellers before, without hassle.
Your mileage may vary.
I like the registry and the fact that everyone is so engaged.
Warm
fuzzes.
But I'm not sure someone new to the Pantera world knows who to
contact.
I know I certainly didn't in 2000. I was clueless.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: [12](818) 393-6261
Cell: [13](818) 653-8213
Fax: [14](818) 393-3147
[1][15]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[2][16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
behalf
of Julian Kift <[3][17]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:14 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<[4][18]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>,
List
DeTomaso Forum <[5][19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
God forbid but I wonder what happens if eBay choose to let this
run
its
course and someone gets burned, given they have been notified of
potential scam?
The seller is supposedly located in Tewksbury, MA and the car
advertised as in San Francisco, although someone else was told
the
car
is in Michigan.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[6][20]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
behalf
of Julian Kift <[7][21]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:06 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Seller says this is chassis# 4277, which is not in the registry
to
verify, but certainly photos are of 4275.
Julian
________________________________
From: Julian Kift <[8][22]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:35 PM
To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
eBay may be reluctant to immediately kill it as no VIN is listed
to
verify the actual vehicle for sale. Albeit underhanded sellers
will
often use generic photos to represent items for sale.
Also the seller has a 74 feedback, normally these scam artists
have
single digit feedback for a few low dollar purchases to build
some
credibility, maybe it is a hacked account too.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[9][23]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
behalf
of The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[10][24]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:25 PM
To: List DeTomaso Forum
Subject: [DeTomaso] Scam eBay auction for Pantera 4275
Steve L. spotted this eBay auction
[11][25]http://www.ebay.com/itm/112316750098
and asked me about it. Auction looks suspicious to us both.
Finding the car in the registry, I contacted the last known owner
to
verify,
as he recently bought it in December. He says the advert is not
his,
and the car is not for sale.
Some people are bidding. Ebay has been contacted about the
scam,
but
have not yet killed the auction.
Hopefully anyone bidding is smart enough to use the registry, and
learn
the truth, and protect themselves.
Hate to have anyone scammed.
So I am posting this, for anyone not yet connected to the
registry.
Chuck
The De Tomaso Registry Guy
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